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What if the Cowboys go WR over Kinlaw?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Verdict, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Actually, wr’s have high bust rates.
     
  2. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Garrett didn’t draft troll. Lol
     
  3. blueblood70

    blueblood70 Well-Known Member

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    those are hole filling roister spots by some aged Dl, you draft the DL of the future at 17 or Cb or S or DE

    WR would be a parachute pick if none of the stud defenders are left..if you cant see that the FAs are short term solutions and youth is needed on defense, you might want to think harder..

    No waty a WR is taken regardless of name when we just invetsed in AC 20MIL, have Glalup on the come up and really just mneed a slot 3rd Wr and with adeep draft that can be had in the 3rd round, 2nd if you see the value but no way they take WR over a dender of equal value..

    BOOK IT

    I see the draft being

    1st=DL/DE/CB
    2nd=Safety/CB
    3rd=WR
    4th=QB Jhurts
    5th LB
    6th-Center/ Swing tackle type
    7th=punter

    not sure comp picks we have but fill some other areas..
     
  4. Oneiros

    Oneiros Well-Known Member

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    Kinlaw won't be there at #17 so I don't think that you have anything to worry about.
     
  5. dwreck27

    dwreck27 Well-Known Member

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    That would be the dumbest move...

    Ask the Atlanta Falcons after they drafted Riley in a similar draft spot to team up with Sanu(late round daring like Gallup) top paid WR in Julio Jones(cooper)
     
  6. Tussinman

    Tussinman Well-Known Member

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    Yeah WR is a crapshoot.

    Looking back at the last few years it's actually crazy who was taken in the top 15 at WR (Mike Williams, D parker, Corey Davis, John Ross, Corey Coleman, Kevin White). All of them either have done nothing signficant or took at least 3 season to really get something signficant going. Pretty high risk considering a top 15 pick should come in day 1 and be a signficant starter
     
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  7. JW82

    JW82 JJ21

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    Depends what they think of them. Lamb might be the next AB. So do they think Kinlaw is the next Darnold or the next Fletcher Cox? They should pick who ever was evaluated higher.
     
  8. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    Here’s a scenario:

    Let’s say Lamb or Ruggs would have been in the 2017 draft with Dallas needing DE or CB like they did. Then let’s say Ruggs (who is rated highly by the Cowboys in this scenario) slipped all the way down to the Cowboys pick. The team didn’t love any of the corners or DE’s that were available at their first round pick and felt like Ruggs would be gone for sure by their pick.

    Keep in mind that in this case, Dallas thinks Ruggs will be a nightmare for defenses to cover from the slot and that he’ll open things up greatly for the offense by stretching the field and threatening to get behind the corners. Also keep in mind that the team (wrongly) felt like TJ Watt didn’t fit their scheme.

    In the above scenario, with Dallas needing defense in a bad way, would you have rather the Cowboys draft to their defensive need and pick Taco Charlton, or would you rather them pick the (by far) highest rated player on their board in Ruggs?

    Speaking for myself, I would much, MUCH rather them have picked Ruggs. Now, Dallas has nothing to show for that highly valued pick when they could have maybe the fastest player in the NFL scaring defenses to death.

    If this had really happened then maybe Dallas never would have had to trade for Cooper and they could have used their first on a defensive player they really liked that year. Who knows? Things change rapidly in the NFL.

    Despite how badly the Cowboys needed defense in that draft, and despite how many good players the team already had on offense, and despite how many picks they had already used for offense... getting a good player over a bad one is always preferable.

    Now, usually you will have some defensive players who are ranked very close to the good offensive player available, and in that case, you do go with the greater need. Even if you think the WR is going to be great, if there is a defender you really like as well, then you take the defensive guy.

    However, there can be times where (for instance) you have a WR who you love as a player sitting there, while all the defensive guys that you like are gone. The only defenders that are there are like Taco and you just really aren’t crazy about them.

    In that case, you absolutely take the much higher ranked offensive player instead of the defender that you’re just lukewarm on. Absolutely, no matter the defensive needs, because getting a bad defensive player doesn’t help anyone.

    Dallas does have a need at their 3rd WR now. If the above type of scenario takes place in this draft, then I would fully expect the team to pick Ruggs or Jeudy or Lamb. Those guys are much better receivers than Henderson is a corner. Much better WR’s than Chaisson is a DE. Take the guy who you know is going to be great, rather than a guy that you hope will be what you need.

    I don’t expect it to fall that way (all three WR’s will likely be picked before Dallas) and I’m not sure how they have the defensive players ranked (they might feel Chaisson is a sure hit). However, if it happens that they like a WR WAY more than any defender left... then they should take the WR and have the dominant WR group. Because getting a guy with your first pick that just isn’t any good, like Taco, might pacify the fans who want defense... but that is all it will do.
     
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  9. ChronicCowboy

    ChronicCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Zero percent chance of a WR in round 1
     
  10. jterrell

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    Look at it much like Calvin Ridley/Michael Gallup 2 years ago.

    DAL got LVE who may or may not be a long term Pro Bowl LB as well as a WR in R3 who easily outproduced Ridley last year.
    Not as polished with slightly lesser hands but more upside and big play potential.

    Feel it will be much the same this year.

    So if you can basically get the same or even better player in round 3 grabbing the guy in R1 is pointless.
    Compare that to DT where the guys get picked over fast and you are taking R5 rated DT in round 3 just due to numbers.

    I'm all for BPA but smart teams move around to get the BPA with the best value versus board and have a full draft plan.

    Taking a WR3 with your only pick in the top 50 would be pretty awful use of limited draft resources.

    for me realistically you are looking at
    DT/DE/CB/S day 1 starter at 17.
    If not trade down a bit and then you open things up a bit. OL/WR/TE/LB come into play there.
     
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  11. jterrell

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    Use actual examples my friend.

    2018 saw this ACTUALLY happen.

    They had Calvin Ridley and LVE on the board and available at about the same pick they enjoy for 2020.
    They took the LB who was day one starter and waited til round three in a very deep WR draft (much like this one).
    They passed the elite Bama WR to do so and ended up with a player who produced better in year two 65 picks later.
     
  12. AsthmaField

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    I get it, and that is a good example. I’ve always valued your opinion. What if they didn’t like LVE though? What if they didn’t think his neck would hold up? Would you still want him to be picked?

    In my mind, there are no hard and fast rules for the draft and things change from year to year. For me it is simple: If you have a WR that is rated way above anyone on defense, then you pick that guy instead of someone you’re not crazy about. Particularly if you lost your 3rd WR and your new coach loves 3WR sets.

    Your example is a good one though and is something to keep in mind.
     
  13. Sydla

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    WR over Kinlaw would be questionable UNLESS..................... some red flags with regards to Kinlaw's knees come up.

    Well I take that back a bit.............. if Lamb somehow falls to 17, then that makes the decision a little tougher as I think Lamb is the best WR in the draft and a Top 10 prospect.
     
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  14. jblaze2004

    jblaze2004 Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing
     
  15. jterrell

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    I hear ya there and the neck/back was basically known thus other teams dinged or dropped him.
    But they could literally have passed and still taken arguably a better player(tho not in year one) 65 picks later.

    LVE ended up being a major reason the team was good and got a playoff win. (and yes was also a major reason they got rolled next round)

    But if we axe LVE for health I'd still want them to take Rashaan Evans, Isaiah Winn or Hayden Hurst over ANY WR.

    The depth at WR was just too good. Those other positions not to much.
    WR depth in most drafts is crazy good.
    I always found that back when I played a pro football simulator a very long time ago as well.
    WR is one of easier positions to fill. Draft them often and let them develop.
    Rounds 3 and 4 are sweet spots.

    2017 is interesting but we gotta start with they drafted 28th.
    28. Taco (won't play hard)
    29. Njoku ( also epic bust)
    30. TJ all pro OLB
    31. Reuben Foster (idiot)
    32. Ryan Ramzcek? All Pro OT.

    It was a minefield with huge hits or massive misses.
    DAL crapped out.
    But note at WR specifically
    Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross all went top 10.
    Juju and Cooper Kupp went 62 and 69 respectively.

    All in all I an not a big fan of taking WR high unless it is a super freak like Randy Moss.
    Dez was amazing here but it was a short shelf life. I am glad they didn't take him in that top 15 area.
     
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  16. Doomsday101

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    I would welcome Lamb to the Cowboys and look forward to the impact he would make on offense. I also like Kinlaw so I would do the same with him. Bottom line I want talent and once that player hits camp I want to see production.
     
  17. Oz-of-Cowboy-Country

    Oz-of-Cowboy-Country Well-Known Member

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    It's the positions that they (we) can't unanimously name the starter at that need to be addressed first.

    Left cornerback .
    Center/Left guard.
    Right defensive end.


    A wideout should not be taken before any of the positions mentioned above.
     
  18. Sydla

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    We have even less at the 3T. It's basically McCoy and then I guess Crawford, who appears to be heading to DE anyway, and Trysten Hill.

    You better hope McCoy doesn't get hurt.
     
  19. WeDemBoyz

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    I like Kinlaw, but the depth is good later in the draft.... Reakwon, Lynch, others
     
  20. AsthmaField

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    Hard to argue with any of that logic. And the Davis, Williams, Ross example can certainly be viewed as a cautionary tale. Particularly when followed by Kupp and Juju.

    As I said, there are a lot of ways to go about it. It basically comes down to the teams evaluation anyway. If they’re good at it, they’ll have more hits than misses... if not... then it probably doesn’t matter which way they decide to go. They’ll miss regardless.
     
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