What is everyone's obession with Cowher?

[CowboyMcCoy]

My argument is that in Dallas he would never have gotten that far. Apparently Pittsburgh fans and ownership is more patient.

Your argument was skewing stats. Was it not?

I never said he sucked. I love how people get so defensive and don't read. You obviously failed those reading comprehension tests in 3rd grade. I just think he's overrated. Am I not entitled to an opinion. And Brett Favre has the most touchdown passes in NFL history (but the most interceptions) and Lenny Wilkins has the most wins in NBA history (and the most losses). Stats are convenient.

You can pull numbers out there with anyone. Wade in Dallas was at the same pace for division titles as Cowher in Pittsburgh. There is zero way Cowher stays with the Cowboys without winning the big one through 13 years.

Not even if he's consistently a contender in the playoffs?

 

[Number82]

When people make the argument against Cowher saying "he's only won 1 Super Bowl in 15 years," I wonder if they'd make the same argument against our great Tom Landry and his almost identical Super-Bowls-to-years-coached-ratio.

It may sound dumb, but I highly doubt Landry would make it in today's NFL with that track record. That doesn't discredit him has a coach. He's probably Top 5 all-time or so, but If you gave Landry this team and they won the division, three straight years, but didn't win a Super Bowl, people would want him gone.

 

[bbgun]

He's a tough guy who's won a Super Bowl, is a 3-4 specialist, and is presently between jobs. In other words, Parcells Part II.

 

[kramskoi]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

...well we know two things for sure...whether Cowher or Gruden, there will be a marked re-emphasis on the running game...Gruden supposedly has some very creative running schemes...there will be a committment not unlike the days of Smith and Johnston...

...Cowher is the guy because he can take control back from Jones, which is sorely needed right now...and if ever there was a time to seize upon that theme it is now, while the Cowboys are reeling and searching for answers...

...this entire organization needs another direction...imagine just for a second where this team would've been had Parcells not been hired because of Jones "need to get a stadium built"...at best he's been mediocre as a general mangager...once we as fans come to that realization and totally embrace it we can begin to hit the man in place he understands...his pockets...

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Cowher isn't the reason they won the SB.....Dick Lebeau is. I'm not sold on Gruden either. My choice would be either Rob Ryan, Marvin Lewis if Cincy fires him, NYJ DC, or the Giants DC.

It is so unfair to say the HC is not the reason a team wins, it's the DC/OC whatever yet when the team loses, it's the HC.

Same with the Parcells/Belichick argument. Parcells is put down for not winning without Belichick but no one mentions Belichick has not won without Weis and Crennell.

As for Cowher not having done much I suspect you do not subscribe to that theory given you want Lewis or Rob Ryan (who does have a nice head of hair/mullett) but come on, as a head coach?

 

[kramskoi]

It may sound dumb, but I highly doubt Landry would make it in today's NFL with that track record. That doesn't discredit him has a coach. He's probably Top 5 all-time or so, but If you gave Landry this team and they won the division, three straight years, but didn't win a Super Bowl, people would want him gone.

...this!...

 

[Chuck 54]

"2011 Offseason:
1. Re-sign Free
2. Re-sign Kosier as a backup
3. Draft ONLY OL & S!
4. Sign ONLY OL & S! "

I have to disagree on your draft wishes. We need S and OL, but I think we'll address OL in free agency. We also need more help at CB and definitely need serious help at LB.

I could see us using our top draft pick on a FS or DL....maybe trade down a bit for LB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bill Cowher is a first ballot Hall of Fame coach with 149 wins in 15 seasons. Thats 10 wins a season.

He had Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Ben Roethlisberger as quarterbacks.

He was 34-14(.708) with 2 division championships, 6 playoff wins, and a Super Bowl in three years with Roethlisberger.

Much much more impressive, he was 115-76(.602) with 7 division championships, 7 playoff wins, 1 AFC championship in 12 years with Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox.

He went to the conference championship 3 times with three different quarterbacks, three different OC, and three different DC.

He won at least 1 playoff game 7 times in 14 years.

He has had 3 offensive assistants and 4 defensive assistants go onto get head coahing jobs in the NFL. He won an AFC Championship with Capers and lost one with Jim Haslett before LeBeau entered the picture.

Dick LeBeau is great but Marv Lewis put together some of the best defenses ever as DC in Baltimore and he was an assistant with Cowher for 4 years. He looks like he will be available especially after last night's loss.

Its not an obsession, its just an awareness of one of the greatest coaches of all time.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

He's a tough guy who's won a Super Bowl, is a 3-4 specialist, and is presently between jobs. In other words, Parcells Part II.

Not even remotely close.

 

[Stash]

I never said he sucked. I love how people get so defensive and don't read. You obviously failed those reading comprehension tests in 3rd grade. I just think he's overrated.

No, the exact, misinformed, misguided term used was "highly overrated" which to most educated folks would not be considered a compliment or term of endearment.

Perhaps a writing comprehension test is, in fact, in order?

 

[Stash]

Bill Cowher is a first ballot Hall of Fame coach with 149 wins in 15 seasons. Thats 10 wins a season.

He had Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Ben Roethlisberger as quarterbacks.

He was 34-14(.708) with 2 division championships, 6 playoff wins, and a Super Bowl in three years with Roethlisberger.

Much much more impressive, he was 115-76(.602) with 7 division championships, 7 playoff wins, 1 AFC championship in 12 years with Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox.

He went to the conference championship 3 times with three different quarterbacks, three different OC, and three different DC.

He won at least 1 playoff game 7 times in 14 years.

He has had 3 offensive assistants and 4 defensive assistants go onto get head coahing jobs in the NFL. He won an AFC Championship with Capers and lost one with Jim Haslett before LeBeau entered the picture.

Dick LeBeau is great but Marv Lewis put together some of the best defenses ever as DC in Baltimore and he was an assistant with Cowher for 4 years. He looks like he will be available especially after last night's loss.

Its not an obsession, its just an awareness of one of the greatest coaches of all time.

This was nicely done, kudos!

 

[BrassCowboy]

It may sound dumb, but I highly doubt Landry would make it in today's NFL with that track record. That doesn't discredit him has a coach. He's probably Top 5 all-time or so, but If you gave Landry this team and they won the division, three straight years, but didn't win a Super Bowl, people would want him gone.

for someone who talks about skewing stats and saying stats can be manipulated, you sure have no problem using them in some wierd math conclusion that only you seem to be able to solve.

Cowher went to the superbowl in his third year, and 2005; only had 3 losing seasons, won division 9 out of 15 years; he had a .655 winning percentage topped by I believe 6 coaches in NFL history; had an average of ten wins per year over his 15 years as HC of Steelers; over his last 7 years as head coach he made playoffs 4 out of seven years winning 6 of 9 playoff games + 1 superbowl victory

Now those are not just stats, they are fact and before you pull out some wierd negative stats like "well he didn't goto the superbowl the other 13 years!" as if the Cowboys done any better the past 15 years, Cowher is a well documented leader of a coach. He is not old like those out there throwing that "retread" title around as if it is anything more than a sales pitch for some young guy who has shown the ability to coach up the college ranks. To compare Cowher with Bill Parcells RIGHT NOW is a joke. Cowher can still play the part and his mind is still in the game, not in some office trying to figure out if we need player a or player b in some draft 10 months away.

I understand the fear because of history with coaches who have won superbowls with a different team, but it is usually because they take over for a team that is in shambles. This team may be in "shambles" but not the same. They do not lack the talent, just the leadership. they need discipline, leadership, just an overall football guy and that is Cowher. He comes from a respectable orginization and one that players come to play for. Can he bring that to the Cowboys, who knows, but if anyone can I believe he can.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Bill Cowher is a first ballot Hall of Fame coach with 149 wins in 15 seasons. Thats 10 wins a season.

He had Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Ben Roethlisberger as quarterbacks.

He was 34-14(.708) with 2 division championships, 6 playoff wins, and a Super Bowl in three years with Roethlisberger.

Much much more impressive, he was 115-76(.602) with 7 division championships, 7 playoff wins, 1 AFC championship in 12 years with Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox.

He went to the conference championship 3 times with three different quarterbacks, three different OC, and three different DC.

He won at least 1 playoff game 7 times in 14 years.

He has had 3 offensive assistants and 4 defensive assistants go onto get head coahing jobs in the NFL. He won an AFC Championship with Capers and lost one with Jim Haslett before LeBeau entered the picture.

Dick LeBeau is great but Marv Lewis put together some of the best defenses ever as DC in Baltimore and he was an assistant with Cowher for 4 years. He looks like he will be available especially after last night's loss.

Its not an obsession, its just an awareness of one of the greatest coaches of all time.

very nice, wish I would of seen this post before just posting my other one, but nicely done either way.

 

[Rockytop6]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

I agree totally. A guy can win one SB and he has his reputation intact regardless if it takes a hundred years to win it. I've never been impressed with Cowher. Is he a good coach? Yes! Is he a great coach? No! The Cowboys need more than just a 'good' coach. Wade was a 'good' coach for three years anyway, but he wasn't good enough. Try some new blood. Jimmy was new blood. Some of the guys with the best records this year are with their first team.

 

[DeaconBlues]

7 pages of arguing over the next coach of the Carolina Panthers.

 

[BHendri5]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

I am also curious, I have been asking and saying the same things.

 

[juck]

Cowher isn't the reason they won the SB.....Dick Lebeau is. I'm not sold on Gruden either. My choice would be either Rob Ryan, Marvin Lewis if Cincy fires him, NYJ DC, or the Giants DC.

Marvin lewis??/??/ Is there a crack sell in ur town? lol

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

for someone who talks about skewing stats and saying stats can be manipulated, you sure have no problem using them in some wierd math conclusion that only you seem to be able to solve.

Cowher went to the superbowl in his third year, and 2005; only had 3 losing seasons, won division 9 out of 15 years; he had a .655 winning percentage topped by I believe 6 coaches in NFL history; had an average of ten wins per year over his 15 years as HC of Steelers; over his last 7 years as head coach he made playoffs 4 out of seven years winning 6 of 9 playoff games + 1 superbowl victory

Now those are not just stats, they are fact and before you pull out some wierd negative stats like "well he didn't goto the superbowl the other 13 years!" as if the Cowboys done any better the past 15 years, Cowher is a well documented leader of a coach. He is not old like those out there throwing that "retread" title around as if it is anything more than a sales pitch for some young guy who has shown the ability to coach up the college ranks. To compare Cowher with Bill Parcells RIGHT NOW is a joke. Cowher can still play the part and his mind is still in the game, not in some office trying to figure out if we need player a or player b in some draft 10 months away.

I understand the fear because of history with coaches who have won superbowls with a different team, but it is usually because they take over for a team that is in shambles. This team may be in "shambles" but not the same. They do not lack the talent, just the leadership. they need discipline, leadership, just an overall football guy and that is Cowher. He comes from a respectable orginization and one that players come to play for. Can he bring that to the Cowboys, who knows, but if anyone can I believe he can.

Good points, especially about the Parcells comparison. Cowher won a title this decade.

 

[UnoDallas]

7 pages of arguing over the next coach of the Carolina Panthers.

very nice

 

[jswalker1981]

Yes, I would be very happy too. He is really good when it comes to defense. The Roy Williams that so many bashed here is not bad in his system is he?

Now, if you ask me who is my #1, I probably would say Billick.

you mean the system Mike Zimmer is running?