What is everyone's obession with Cowher?

[Hook'em#11]

They like Bridesmaids.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the biggest obession is he has been a successful HC who is currently not coaching any team. Why do people have an obession with Jimmy Johnson could it be for the same reason?

 

[Stash]

I'd like to see anyone doubt the fact that Tomlin won with Cowher's team the exact same way that Barry Switzer did with Jimmy's team.

But, again, that shoots the argument against all to heck.

:shoot5:

 

[Nightshade]

Keith Butler as the DC (who's probably even better than LeBeau).

Strong provocative statement. Please elaborate.

Thanks

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd like to see anyone doubt the fact that Tomlin won with Cowher's team the exact same way that Barry Switzer did with Jimmy's team.

But, again, that shoots the argument against all to heck.

:shoot5:

I don't doubt it but I do think Tomlin is doing a good job. They started the season with their star QB out for the 1st 4 weeks and a lot of distraction due to Ben's problems and yet were able to overcome. Did Tomlin build the team? no but has he managed his team well? Yes I think he has. As for Switzer yes he took over but guys like Aikman did not seem to think much of the job he was doing in terms of managing the team

 

[Concord]

Cause I would like to have a proven winner for many years...come here and instill an attitude and toughness...that he is known for...into a team that is sorely lacking it.

I think he could do wonders with this teams core.

 

[Stautner]

I think the biggest obession is he has been a successful HC who is currently not coaching any team. Why do people have an obession with Jimmy Johnson could it be for the same reason?

Not really a bad starting criteria, is it?

Personally, in additon to that I like him because my impression of him is that he isn't just a "players coach" or just a hard ***. He's both and neither. What I mean is, he seems to be able to get the respect and admiration from players a head coach needs even though he can, at times, get right in the middle of them when he needs to. They know that his temper isn't just random displays, but heartfelt reactions to things that should not happen and should not be allowed to happen. They know him as tough and demanding, but they also know that he cares about them and will support them.

 

[FCBarca]

I wouldn't call my interest in Cowher as an obsession but there are two prevailing reasons, for me, to want him here.

One, he's a proven leader of a football team that will compete...There will be no slackers - which has been a routine problem for this club

Two, Jerry is terrible at selecting coaches and so while a young & upcoming assistant etc. might be an option for some GMs, Jerry isn't the right person to judge coaching accumen...Proof, as they say, is in the pudding...Getting a name with history of success eliminates Jerry from the judgement & assessment aspect of it

Of course, it's the control issue that Mr. OCD isn't likely to give up, making Cowher perhaps a longshot at best

 

[Stash]

I don't doubt it but I do think Tomlin is doing a good job. They started the season with their star QB out for the 1st 4 weeks and a lot of distraction due to Ben's problems and yet were able to overcome. Did Tomlin build the team? no but has he managed his team well? Yes I think he has. As for Switzer yes he took over but guys like Aikman did not seem to think much of the job he was doing in terms of managing the team

I'll give Tomlin credit for knowing a good thing when he sees it and not screwing it up.

Switzer didn't even do that!

But that's as far as my praise for Tomlin goes.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not really a bad starting criteria, is it?

Personally, in additon to that I like him because my impression of him is that he isn't just a "players coach" or just a hard ***. He's both and neither. What I mean is, he seems to be able to get the respect and admiration from players a head coach needs even though he can, at times, get right in the middle of them when he needs to. They know that his temper isn't just random displays, but heartfelt reactions to things that should not happen and should not be allowed to happen. They know him as tough and demanding, but they also know that he cares about them and will support them.

I think his players see him as a fighter for them.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'll give Tomlin credit for knowing a good thing when he sees it and not screwing it up.

Switzer didn't even do that!

But that's as far as my praise for Tomlin goes.

I just think the guy deserves some credit, as I said 4 game to open the season without their star QB and yet they rolled right along. I'm no steeler fan but I will give credit where it is due and fact is Pitt looked to be in a hole to start the year and over came.

 

[Stautner]

I think his players see him as a fighter for them.

For them, and with them.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I think the biggest obession is he has been a successful HC who is currently not coaching any team. Why do people have an obession with Jimmy Johnson could it be for the same reason?

I see what you did there

 

[InmanRoshi]

The next HC better have proven personnel experience.

If he doesn't have that, then you're letting Jerry draft the players and we're doomed. I don't care how "teh youngz" and "teh hungriez" he is, he's not winning football games with Kavika Pittman and Dwayne Goodrich and Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. The only time it's ever worked around here is when we had Parcells, who had loads of personnel experience, and Jimmy who at least was responsible for evaluating and bringing in all the talent at UM. Some 35 year old coordinator who doesn't know any more about running a football franchise than drawing up some X's and O's on a whiteboard is not going to cut it. Cowher, having worked 20 years in the best run franchise in the sport IMHO and working with multiple personnel people and general managers, has that on his resume.

 

[Number82]

The next HC better have proven personnel experience.

If he doesn't have that, then you're letting Jerry draft the players and we're doomed. I don't care how "teh youngz" and "teh hungriez" he is, he's not winning football games with Kavika Pittman and Dwayne Goodrich and Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. The only time it's ever worked around here is when we had Parcells, who had loads of personnel experience, and Jimmy who at least was responsible for evaluating and bringing in all the talent at UM. Some 35 year old coordinator who doesn't know any more about running a football franchise than drawing up some X's and O's on a whiteboard is not going to cut it. Cowher, having worked 20 years in the best run franchise in the sport IMHO and working with multiple personnel people and general managers, has that on his resume.

I don't think it all has to do with this, but part of the reason the Cowboys drafted so well those years, I'm sure has alot to do with Jimmy being fresh out of the college game. I'm sure he recruited and coached against alot of the top talent out there. He knew players strengths and weaknesses better than alot of NFL scouts. I don't think this would always work, but I feel like a college coach (coming to an NFL team) has an upper hand on the draft for a 2-3 period over other current NFL coaches and scouts.

 

[Stautner]

I don't think it all has to do with this, but part of the reason the Cowboys drafted so well those years, I'm sure has alot to do with Jimmy being fresh out of the college game. I'm sure he recruited and coached against alot of the top talent out there. He knew players strengths and weaknesses better than alot of NFL scouts. I don't think this would always work, but I feel like a college coach (coming to an NFL team) has an upper hand on the draft for a 2-3 period over other current NFL coaches and scouts.

I guess there is some logic to this, but realistically what does a college coach retain in his head from recruiting high school kids, and isn't the knowledge gained by recruiting a high school kid secondary to the knowledge a pro scout has from what the same kid did in his college career?

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess there is some logic to this, but realistically what does a college coach retain in his head from recruiting high school kids, and isn't the knowledge gained by recruiting a high school kid secondary to the knowledge a pro scout has from what the same kid did in his college career?

Quite a bit, Jimmy benefitted from his days with the Hurricanes he drafted some of his guys and even some who he recruited who went to different schools. Emmitt Smith was one of those guys who Jimmy went after but Smith chooses to go to Florida instead. You also study these kids as you prepare to play them on Saturday

 

[ilovejerry]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

I have no clue why any longtime Cowboy fan would want a steeler ex-coach to run this team ....Just boggles my mind...like he is the greatest thing since sliced bread ....just stupid

 

[Stautner]

I have no clue why any longtime Cowboy fan would want a steeler ex-coach to run this team ....Just boggles my mind...like he is the greatest thing since sliced bread ....just stupid

You may not realize it, but the coach that built the franchise was an ex-Giants player and an ex-Giants coach. In addition, our ex-D-Coordinator under Jimmy Johnson was an ex-Steeler player.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I don't think it all has to do with this, but part of the reason the Cowboys drafted so well those years, I'm sure has alot to do with Jimmy being fresh out of the college game. I'm sure he recruited and coached against alot of the top talent out there. He knew players strengths and weaknesses better than alot of NFL scouts. I don't think this would always work, but I feel like a college coach (coming to an NFL team) has an upper hand on the draft for a 2-3 period over other current NFL coaches and scouts.

aside from getting a hundred something picks from that mega trade with minny....

Well, that may have a little bit of truth due to playing with and against some of that talent, but alot of teams have very good luck and some better than us in the draft without having to risk your coaching staff by hiring someone still wet behind the ears.