What is everyone's obession with Cowher?

[BrassCowboy]

Personally i want a new face, Rob Ryan is my top choice. Wanted Rex instead of Wade 3 1/2 seasons ago.

yes, i wanted Rex too and was highly pissed we got Wade at that time

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

And before the last Super Bowl run Cowher was 8-9 in the playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a losing record. He doesn't get that much slack on the rope in Dallas. I don't care what you say.

Conveniently, you leave out the Super Bowl run to suit your point. But when you put the Super Bowl run/win in there, your argument swiftly goes out the window, altogether.

When was the last time Dallas had a HC who has actually won the big game.

BTW, he's actually 12-9 in playoff games.

I'm not going to go into detail that your math is terrible, but 2007, 2008, 2009 is three years. But my point is you can skew stats to promote your agenda.

Oh, is that what you do?

21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles...yeah, he sucks. And you're not skewing stats at all, eh?

 

[UnoDallas]

My guess is you probably didn't have the foggiest idea who those guys were until I listed them. Now you're an expert on whether or not Cowher can get them.

nope but I got history on my side

JUST SAY TO RETREADS

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

nope but I got history on my side

JUST SAY TO RETREADS

History isn't math.

Do you know how mathematically bogus your argument is from a numbers standpoint? Statistically, what are the odds anyway that any one person would win something twice that you had a 1 in 32 chance of winning.

Cowher didn't leave his team in shambles... he left with dignity.

 

[InmanRoshi]

nope but I got history on my side

So do I... just in the last 30 years...

Mike Singletary
Mike Smith
Tony Sparano
Jim Zorn
Cam Cameron
Lane Kiffin
Bobby Petrino
Emmitt Thomas
Ken Whisenhunt
Brad Childress
Gary Kubiak
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Rod Marinelli
Mike McCarthy
Romeo Crennel
Mike Nolan
Nick Saban
Joe Vitt
Jim Bates
Jim Mora Jr.
Mike Mularkey
Lovie Smith
Jack Del Rio
Marvin Lewis
Bill Callahan
Steve Spurrier
Butch Davis
Herman Edwards
Marty Mornhinweg
Mike Tice
Gregg Williams
Dave Campo
Al Groh
Jim Haslett
Mike Martz
Dave McGinnis
Gary Moeller
Terry Robiskie
Mike Sherman
Gunther Cunningham
Dick Jauron
Chris Palmer
Mike Riley
Chan Gailey
Jim Fassel
Kevin Gilbride
Vince Tobin
Rich Brooks
Dom Capers
Dennis Erickson
Ray Rhodes
Mike White
Pete Carroll
June Jones
Norv Turner
Richie Petitbon
Dave Wannstedt
Bobby Ross
David Shula
Ray Handley
Dick MacPherson
Rick Venturi
Joe Bugel
Bruce Coslet
Rod Rust
Jim Shofner
Art Shell
Bud Carson
Hank Kuhlmann
Lindy Infante
Wayne Fontes
Frank Gansz
Jim Mora
Buddy Ryan
Jerry Burns
Gene Stallings
Al Saunders
Jerry Glanville
Darryl Rogers
Rod Dowhower
Fred Bruney
Marty Schottenheimer
Sam Wyche
Raymond Berry
Hugh Campbell
Hal Hunter
Les Steckel
Dan Henning
John Robinson
Joe Walton
John Mackovic
Kay Stephenson
Chuck Studley
Mike Ditka
Ron Meyer
Frank Kush
Ed Biles
Jim Hanifan

Oh, they were all so "teh youngz and teh hungriez !!!1111" at one time.

 

[UnoDallas]

History isn't math.

Do you know how mathematically bogus your argument is from a numbers standpoint? Statistically, what are the odds anyway that any one person would win something twice that you had a 1 in 32 chance of winning.

Cowher didn't leave his team in shambles... he left with dignity.

and What ? so you got your answer at least in your mind

he left like a coach should on top

Hiring old coaches that once gave you some glory years is not a good idea. It fires people up at the press conference alright, but they can never live up to what they once were, and ultimately tarnish their good name as a football legend.

Signed: Joe Gibbs

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

and What ? so you got your answer at least in your mind

he left like a coach should on top

Hiring old coaches that once gave you some glory years is not a good idea. It fires people up at the press conference alright, but they can never live up to what they once were, and ultimately tarnish their good name as a football legend.

Signed: Joe Gibbs

Cowher isn't THAT old...:laugh2:

 

[UnoDallas]

Cowher isn't THAT old...:laugh2:

true enuf

but I don't want him here

may end up with him or gruden

guess I will have to put the hate on the back burner the same wey I did when Jerry hired B Parcalls

but the one thing I knew Parcells could andd would build us a D

not to sure about Cowher and Gruden

 

[Marktui]

Jon Gruden, Jim Harbaugh or Perry Fewell.

Wasn't Perry Fewell the interim HC in Buffalo? Looks like he is the HOT coordinator this season.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

So do I... just in the last 30 years...


Oh, they were all so "teh youngz and teh hungriez !!!1111" at one time.

InmanRoshi done put this pup on IR.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

true enuf

but I don't want him here

may end up with him or gruden

guess I will have to put the hate on the back burner the same wey I did when Jerry hired B Parcalls

but the one thing I knew Parcells could andd would build us a D

not to sure about Cowher and Gruden

Gruden is more of an offensive guru. Cowher would work wonders with our defense and staffing its personnel, but he's definitely a baller on offense too.

The more I think about it, the more I lean more towards Cowher as my man (if I had my wish).

 

[BrassCowboy]

History isn't math.

Do you know how mathematically bogus your argument is from a numbers standpoint? Statistically, what are the odds anyway that any one person would win something twice that you had a 1 in 32 chance of winning.

Cowher didn't leave his team in shambles... he left with dignity.

exactly.... it is 1/32 of a chance with one team (and obviously that is leaving out a helluva lot of variable just to be that 1), but two teams? leaving out the thousands of variables that make a superbowl team, that is 1/1024 chance for 1 coach to coach 2 superbowl teams (team x and team y; with as explained already each team having 1/32 chance so 1/32 * 1/32 = 1/1024)

 

[EPL0c0]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

Bill Cowher's chin is like football viagra!

 

[stardeep]

When people make the argument against Cowher saying "he's only won 1 Super Bowl in 15 years," I wonder if they'd make the same argument against our great Tom Landry and his almost identical Super-Bowls-to-years-coached-ratio.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

exactly.... it is 1/32 of a chance with one team (and obviously that is leaving out a helluva lot of variable just to be that 1), but two teams? leaving out the thousands of variables that make a superbowl team, that is 1/1024 chance for 1 coach to coach 2 superbowl teams (team x and team y; with as explained already each team having 1/32 chance so 1/32 * 1/32 = 1/1024)

My point exactly. That's not to say a guy with 7 title wins isn't more likely to get you there, though. In fact, I think it gives you a bit better chance.

Yes, the more years they coach...the more chance they have of winning, though.

 

[The Great Number 8]

I'm not sure I love Cowher and I don't believe past success is always a barometer of the future but:

If you told me the next coach of the Cowboys would take us to two Super Bowls, 10 playoff seasons, 8 division titles and 12 winning seasons in the next 15 seasons, I'm signing up tomorrow.

Anybody who discredits this performance should have a look back at exactly what we've accomplished in the last 15 seasons.

 

[BrassCowboy]

a couple good url's to look up about Cowher and his history with Steelers:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CowhBi0.htm

http://static.steelers.com/mediacontent/2009/08/24/06/Year_by_Year_Records_09_108705.pdf

http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=1151563

list of top coaching candidates:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/11/08/cowboys-coaching-candidates-bill-cowher-jon-gruden-top-list/

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm not sure I love Cowher and I don't believe past success is always a barometer of the future but:

If you told me the next coach of the Cowboys would take us to two Super Bowls, 10 playoff seasons, 8 division titles and 12 winning seasons in the next 15 seasons, I'm signing up tomorrow.

Anybody who discredits this performance should have a look back at exactly what we've accomplished in the last 15 seasons.

Which is why the owner of the Steelers always left him alone, even in his down time. I'm a Cowboys fan, through and through. But I've watched and rooted for and against (when they play the boys) the Steelers for a long time too.

I guess you could call them my 2nd favorite team, although I don't have a message board account nor do I follow them too vehemently.

But, no, you can't take anything away from Cowher. IMO, he was the best coach of the late 90s and into millenium... Better than Parcells in modern day's game.

 

[Blast From The Past]

It's the spittle. Definitely the spittle.

Naw, it's the combination of the spittle and the chin, now fixed it for ya...lol:laugh2:

 

[Number82]

Conveniently, you leave out the Super Bowl run to suit your point. But when you put the Super Bowl run/win in there, your argument swiftly goes out the window, altogether.

When was the last time Dallas had a HC who has actually won the big game.

BTW, he's actually 12-9 in playoff games.

My argument is that in Dallas he would never have gotten that far. Apparently Pittsburgh fans and ownership is more patient.

Oh, is that what you do?

21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles...yeah, he sucks. And you're not skewing stats at all, eh?

I never said he sucked. I love how people get so defensive and don't read. You obviously failed those reading comprehension tests in 3rd grade. I just think he's overrated. Am I not entitled to an opinion. And Brett Favre has the most touchdown passes in NFL history (but the most interceptions) and Lenny Wilkins has the most wins in NBA history (and the most losses). Stats are convenient.

You can pull numbers out there with anyone. Wade in Dallas was at the same pace for division titles as Cowher in Pittsburgh. There is zero way Cowher stays with the Cowboys without winning the big one through 13 years.