What is wrong with Romo?

[khiladi]

In scoring, our defense ranks 26th and is only 1.8 points off from being 30th in the NFL. Our defense is terrible any way you slice it. Yards allowed? Terrible. Passing first downs? Terrible. Passing touchdowns allowed? Terrible. Getting offenses off the field? Terrible. We also have a terrible running defense, just our passing defense is so bad teams elect to pass on us instead. Against the run we're ranked 30th in yards allowed per run, which is good for a 4.8 YPC.

Yeah, because a defense that gets a turnover in the opponents territory has no relation to being a successful TO, because only a TO that results in a score by the defense counts... I get your argument.. You just manipulate actual game states to suit your point.

Why is it dumb? Because it's true? Given up huge yardage chunks is the very reason we lost the Lions game with a minute left to go. You're right, sometimes defenses have a bend but don't break philosophy where they give up yards but no scores. But that's not the case for our defense, which is what I care about. We're a defense that bends, and a defense that also breaks. You'd have a point if we weren't ranked dead last in yards per game, and 26th in points allowed per game ...

Becaue yardage doesn't equate to scoring. Our defense also intercepted Matt Stafford twice. One time, we gained 4 yards on a 3 and out.. The other time, we were put at the 4 yard line of Detroit to get our TD, which was our only TD for one half. If our defense didn't get a score against Minnesota, we lose to that horrendous offense. If our defense doesn't get 6 TOs against the Giants in game one, we lose to them.

And one of the main reasons our turnover differential is so good is because our offense doesn't turn the ball over. If our offense turned the ball over, then we'd really have no chance at winning games and we'd probably be around 3-10 right now. And my point still stands that if our defense wasn't so terrible, then our offense wouldn't need those extra scores just to win games. I'd take an average defense any day of the week over a historically bad defense that creates turnovers.

And one of the reasons our turnover differential is so good is because our defenseis generating TOs. In 2011, Tony Romo threw 10 INTs the whole year, 3 less than what he is at currently. And our turnover differential during that season was 10th in the league. We are 3rd in the league. Sorry, but your argument that this conservative scheme isn't helped in offensive scoring by the defenseis just pathetic. We've gone from 15th to 4th on 3 less INTs only by Romo with 3 games left to play.

 

[khiladi]

This offense has changed in reality only from the persective of keeping it safe. Problem is, 2011 and 2012 were essentially the same exact scheme, but in 2012 Romo threw 19 INTs that year. Ironically, 6 of his INTs were against the Commanders in that phenomenal November and December run when we went 5-3. He threw 4 total outside of that in that eight game span, meaning 10 INTs in 8 games, yet we rode him into playoff contention. Too bad red-headed genis couldn't stop a blitz up the middle against the Commanders last year..

Being conervative doesn't get us anywhere against these playoff teams. And we are still playing close with scrubby teams we should be destroying.

 

[DFWJC]

The turnover thing works both ways.
A defense getting a tunover helps the offense (on average) with field position and sometimes direct scoring.
An offense not turning it over helps the defense prevent (on average) poor field postion or the occassional direct score.

Maybe someone can look it up.
I'm not so sure that the offense does not rank as good or better than the defesne in turnovers or lack of.
So the argument of which units helps the other more with turnovers goes both ways and is meaningless if they are doing about the same job at it.

I just think our defense is so bad that the team has no chance to suceed.
I think the offensive scheme is outdated and to some degree also caps this team's upside.

 

[TrailBlazer]

On average, Dallas starts with poor field postion due to thsi defesne you speak of. Yes, early on htey helped out a lot with some scores. But if anything, the offesne does what they in spite of our crappy defesne, ncertainly not becasue of it.

I do agree that although this is the 3rd or 4th leading scoring team in the league, no way Dallas has the 3rd or 4th best offense. But take away all of the early season defesne scores and they still will be ranked in the top 8-10 in scoring.

I agree with most of that. But the reason were ranked 8th in offensive scoring is bc the stats are skewed bc of the fluke Denver game.

 

[beevomav]

Its not blame. It is just about having to change the game plan or mindset once you realize your D is useless.
The denver game was exactly what I mean. I was not mad at Tony at all for the one int and anyone who blames him is a moron. When you score 48 AT home you should win everytime period. They need to play that attacking offense from now on to have any chance.

It's also been hard to protect Romo when they go to the deep routes, which is why they have been running short routes.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree with most of that. But the reason were ranked 8th in offensive scoring is bc the stats are skewed bc of the fluke Denver game.

Dallas is tied for 3rd in the league in scoring at 27.5 ppg.

If you remove the highest scoring game for all teams--so remove the Denver game for Dallas..........wait........drumroll

Dallas is 4th in the league in scoring at 25.7 ppg

ahead of New England
ahead of New Orleans
ahead of 28 teams.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Dallas is tied for 3rd in the league in scoring at 27.5 ppg.

If you remove the highest scoring game for all teams--so remove the Denver game for Dallas..........wait........drumroll

Dallas is 4th in the league in scoring at 25.7 ppg

ahead of New England
ahead of New Orleans
ahead of 28 teams.

Still need to take out defensive scores. That puts us at 8th. Now take out Denver game and where do we rank?

Our offense isn't a top ten offense IMO

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Still need to take out defensive scores. That puts us at 8th. Now take out Denver game and where do we rank?

Our offense isn't a top ten offense IMO

They sure as heck won't be by the time you're through manipulating the data! You'll have us down to 32nd in no time.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

They sure as heck won't be by the time you're through manipulating the data! You'll have us down to 32nd in no time.

you really don't believe this offense is good do you???

 

[TrailBlazer]

They sure as heck won't be by the time you're through manipulating the data! You'll have us down to 32nd in no time.

Lol I'm just trying to get the most accurate stats. I know we're not a top 5 offense.

22n in total offense sounds closer

 

[lostar2009]

Man, you never let up do you.
Way off base, yet again.

Then again, I'd like to see him take a few more chances. But if he even throws one ill timed pick, there are people like ufc (and maybe you too) who will remind everyone of it for years to come.
But really...27 TDs and 7 ints is what most teams dream of having from their QB.

I don't care if Romo throw a pic...only if its in the 4th quarter . Also multiple into games go against him too.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't care if Romo throw a pic...only if its in the 4th quarter . Also multiple into games go against him too.

Throws less picks in the 4th quarter than almost any QB to ever lay in the NFL.

And no, I'm not one that thinks he is on the level with the very best. But i do think he's plenty good and just about last on the list for places to start when looking at all the many issue that Dallas has.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Still need to take out defensive scores. That puts us at 8th. Now take out Denver game and where do we rank?

Our offense isn't a top ten offense IMO

Makes sense, but you would have to take out other teams defensive scores as well, and probably their highest scoring game, to get a usable result.

 

[lostar2009]

The idea that Tony Romo doesn't work hard at his job is completely ridiculous. Every scrap of information that comes out of Valley Ranch is that he is among the hardest workers on the team. Especially in terms of preparation.

Then why is Romo always missing people that are wide open ?The fact is Romo is good but not great... And right now this team needs great. Romo is no different than a Matt Schuab or Matt Ryan. That level of qb play will not get it done here.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I agree with most of that. But the reason were ranked 8th in offensive scoring is bc the stats are skewed bc of the fluke Denver game.

The stats of one game out of the 13 we have played skewed the numbers? I could buy that in Sept but not Dec.

 

[TrailBlazer]

The stats of one game out of the 13 we have played skewed the numbers? I could buy that in Sept but not Dec.

When looking for an average.. It's common practice to throw out the highest and lowest numbers bc they can sometimes skew the end average.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Makes sense, but you would have to take out other teams defensive scores as well, and probably their highest scoring game, to get a usable result.

This is true. I think it'd be more accurate that way

 

[DFWJC]

When looking for an average.. It's common practice to throw out the highest and lowest numbers bc they can sometimes skew the end average.

Yeah, when the sample size is large enough you see that happen sometimes.
And your right, you would throw out both the high and low scores, maybe after they had played 16 games.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

The stats of one game out of the 13 we have played skewed the numbers? I could buy that in Sept but not Dec.

the stats are skewed to a certain extent. I mean last game we were down 14-42 before scoring 2 meaningless TDs

 

[Super_Kazuya]

you really don't believe this offense is good do you???

I don't need to "believe" anything. The data is all there to tell me. I know that we are middling to poor at moving the ball and that we have a freakish red zone percentage. I have no idea what that adds up to.

the stats are skewed to a certain extent. I mean last game we were down 14-42 before scoring 2 meaningless TDs

Once again, this applies to all teams. Every week teams score touchdowns when they are either far ahead or behind. It's not just the Cowboys. Looking at our schedule I would say that we have far less of these kind of scores because we play so many games down to the wire.