What the heck was that review before the Maher 60 yard field goal before the half?

[CWR]

If you want to compare how many times we've been jobbed at the end of games vs. how many times the teams we've faced have been jobbed at the end, I think you'll badly lose that argument. A couple of examples of bad calls in our favor don't negate the argument that we get an inordinate amount that go against us.

Also doesn't explain how awesome MM was in "coaching penalties" in GB vs here.

 

[MarcusRock]

If you want to compare how many times we've been jobbed at the end of games vs. how many times the teams we've faced have been jobbed at the end, I think you'll badly lose that argument. A couple of examples of bad calls in our favor don't negate the argument that we get an inordinate amount that go against us.

Meh, depends on what you consider "jobbed." Many consider the Dez no-catch getting jobbed when it was the correct call by the rules. The Butler penalty in the playoffs 2 years later, also legit. The only one I can think of at the end of a game that was a bit of a head scratcher was the illegal snap by LP in a game against Washington. Refs get it wrong all over the place. They have to with 7 of them and 11 matchups going on. When you only concentrate on your team, of course you'll notice more because you dismiss what happens to other teams.

 

[gimmesix]

Meh, depends on what you consider "jobbed." Many consider the Dez no-catch getting jobbed when it was the correct call by the rules. The Butler penalty in the playoffs 2 years later, also legit. The only one I can think of at the end of a game that was a bit of a head scratcher was the illegal snap by LP in a game against Washington. Refs get it wrong all over the place. They have to with 7 of them and 11 matchups going on. When you only concentrate on your team, of course you'll notice more because you dismiss what happens to other teams.

So in your opinion, neither David Irving got held on essentially the game-winning play in the Green Bay game nor did Lamb get interfered with in our most recent game against Green Bay? Getting jobbed can be penalties not being called as well, just like the interference in the Saints-Rams game a few years ago that temporarily led to a new rule.

Both of those non-calls were huge at those points in the game. If you don't believe penalties should have been called in either of those situations, you really do just like being contrary when it comes to officiating.

 

[DogFace]

Sorry but not buying that, this is the NFL not HS football.
The kick should have never been allowed, and should have at least been whistled dead, there was plenty of time to end that sequence of events.
Like a decade in football time.

I thought that’s what I said. I agree.

 

[DogFace]

The calls against us were brutal, and although it's been a while, I'm fairly certain some of them took points off the board. I dont care if that's in the 1st or 4th, it's a big call.

I think one Dak or Zeke had broke the plain and instead ended up being called short and then fumbled. It's a little jumbled because that was near the same time they screwed us against the eagles. It was the game Dak was literally laying in the endzone and they tried to claim they couldn't see the ball cross the goalline. Of course, there was nowhere else the ball could've been since he retained possession.

Oh yeah. I remember that one. They assumed Dak was carrying the ball with his legs because his entire upper body was in the end zone.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Meh, depends on what you consider "jobbed." Many consider the Dez no-catch getting jobbed when it was the correct call by the rules. The Butler penalty in the playoffs 2 years later, also legit. The only one I can think of at the end of a game that was a bit of a head scratcher was the illegal snap by LP in a game against Washington. Refs get it wrong all over the place. They have to with 7 of them and 11 matchups going on. When you only concentrate on your team, of course you'll notice more because you dismiss what happens to other teams.

Dez caught it. Landed. Leaped for the end zone. And recovered his own fumble. The language of the rules weren’t applicable there Bc they never accounted for an acrobatic play like that. It’s a catch and they got it wrong.
If the roles were reversed id be like “nah dang davante Adam’s caught that we didn’t stop him we don’t deserve a reversal here”

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Oh yeah. I remember that one. They assumed Dak was carrying the ball with his legs because his entire upper body was in the end zone.

Sometimes we overthink these things. I swear the most fun thing to do is to show like your wife or someone who’s not a fan these plays and just get their first blush snap instinct.

Sometimes I’ll rewind a moment and ask her what she saw, whether it be a personal foul wherein both guys are kind of fighting ya know, and she’s like

“Ok whatta we got here ok number 74 is yelling at number 98 ok 74 shoved him, ok 98 shoved back real real hard, what’s the issue they both shoved just move on”. and then I’ll be like welp they called penalty on 98 and she’ll be like that’s bull ****!

 

[DogFace]

Dez caught it. Landed. Leaped for the end zone. And recovered his own fumble. The language of the rules weren’t applicable there Bc they never accounted for an acrobatic play like that. It’s a catch and they got it wrong.
If the roles were reversed id be like “nah dang davante Adam’s caught that we didn’t stop him we don’t deserve a reversal here”

Control
Two feet inbounds
Time to make a football move


He did all that and completed the catch process and became a runner. The “going to ground” didn’t apply because he completed the 3 steps prior to going to the ground.

 

[MarcusRock]

So in your opinion, neither David Irving got held on essentially the game-winning play in the Green Bay game nor did Lamb get interfered with in our most recent game against Green Bay? Getting jobbed can be penalties not being called as well, just like the interference in the Saints-Rams game a few years ago that temporarily led to a new rule.

Both of those non-calls were huge at those points in the game. If you don't believe penalties should have been called in either of those situations, you really do just like being contrary when it comes to officiating.

Discussed the Irving play against Green Bay and from what I remember, he was being double-teamed. Guess what one of the exceptions to holding is: if the action is part of a double team. Again, do people know the rules they're even railing against? Even Irving himself didn't complain to the ref right when it happened. Someone posted a still picture after and then everyone got all up in arms but holding is a motion penalty you have to see play out to call. Same for pass interference. And remember, holding has to be "material restriction" meaning some restriction is allowed so you can hold and let go immediately and not be called. As for the Lamb play, the DB totally got there early and could have been called, sure. But I saw the same type of play not called in the Chiefs-Chargers game just this past SNF game. Contrarian, no. I just go looking at the rules to see if a whine is justified. Most times it's not.

 

[shabazz]

I haven’t looked it up but is there historical precedent for this procedure? And has the NFL officially commented on this yet?

 

[MarcusRock]

Dez caught it. Landed. Leaped for the end zone. And recovered his own fumble. The language of the rules weren’t applicable there Bc they never accounted for an acrobatic play like that. It’s a catch and they got it wrong.
If the roles were reversed id be like “nah dang davante Adam’s caught that we didn’t stop him we don’t deserve a reversal here”

Bro, we've done this countless times. Again, you do not know the rule from back then. Once you were deemed going to the ground (which he clearly was), you had to hold on to the ball, period. Dez did not do that. The only thing that gets you out of going to the ground per the rules was a properly executed lunge. Again, Dez did not do that. He tried but slipped when his 3rd foot came down and couldn't properly push off. That's why he hit the ground so hard and why the ball came out after touching the ground. Per the rules, it is incomplete. But I'll ask you the same thing I asked the last guy to try this, where are all the sports articles that call out the NFL for misapplying their own rules? There are none.

 

[MarcusRock]

He did all that and completed the catch process and became a runner. The “going to ground” didn’t apply because he completed the 3 steps prior to going to the ground.

Except 3 steps wasn't part of the football move criteria back in 2014. They are now, which is why the same play would be a catch TODAY, not then. The new NFL rules guy even called this out the Dez play showing that his 3rd step would NOW be a catch per the rules when they rolled out the NEW rule. But back then, number of steps did not matter when you were deemed going to the ground. Once they put that tag on you, you needed to hold onto the ball through contacting the ground or don't let the ball touch the ground if you don't. Dez did neither. Incomplete

2014 Rules
c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
opponent, etc.).

2022 Rules
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
​

Just like old times. Lol.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Bro, we've done this countless times. Again, you do not know the rule from back then. Once you were deemed going to the ground (which he clearly was), you had to hold on to the ball, period. Dez did not do that. The only thing that gets you out of going to the ground per the rules was a properly executed lunge. Again, Dez did not do that. He tried but slipped when his 3rd foot came down and couldn't properly push off. That's why he hit the ground so hard and why the ball came out after touching the ground. Per the rules, it is incomplete. But I'll ask you the same thing I asked the last guy to try this, where are all the sports articles that call out the NFL for misapplying their own rules? There are none.

Your logic is a misplaced step and lack of articles to explain the football player jumping, catching, turning, running for end zone, and leaping to end zone?

also not enough evidence was even
Shown that the ball hit the ground. It could’ve been his forearm

 

[speedkilz88]

Discussed the Irving play against Green Bay and from what I remember, he was being double-teamed. Guess what one of the exceptions to holding is: if the action is part of a double team. Again, do people know the rules they're even railing against? Even Irving himself didn't complain to the ref right when it happened. Someone posted a still picture after and then everyone got all up in arms but holding is a motion penalty you have to see play out to call. Same for pass interference. And remember, holding has to be "material restriction" meaning some restriction is allowed so you can hold and let go immediately and not be called. As for the Lamb play, the DB totally got there early and could have been called, sure. But I saw the same type of play not called in the Chiefs-Chargers game just this past SNF game. Contrarian, no. I just go looking at the rules to see if a whine is justified. Most times it's not.

That was a hold.

 

[MarcusRock]

Your logic is a misplaced step and lack of articles to explain the football player jumping, catching, turning, running for end zone, and leaping to end zone?

also not enough evidence was even
Shown that the ball hit the ground. It could’ve been his forearm

It's not logic. It's black and white rules. Journalists know them and write articles all the time on controversial plays. But somehow this very famous one escaped them? Just stop. Most of the people whining about this rule don't even understand it so of course what I say sounds like gibberish.

And how is this for evidence? Is the ball on the ground here?

 

[MarcusRock]

That was a hold.

I say that you can't determine holding with a still picture so of course you post a still picture, lol. And he's being double teamed per the holding rule exception. Why didn't Irving complain if he thought he was held? He sure didn't on the play when it happened.

 

[Kevinicus]

@Kevinicus

What do you think about this?

I'm not sure if the Referee is the one that gets paged by the replay booth, or another ref, or all of them. I tried to look it up, but couldn't find anything specific on that.

As for stopping the play, or intervening before the snap, that's not necessary. All that is required is that the officials are paged by the replay booth prior to the snap. Whether or not the officials on the field have time, from that point, to blow a whistle or stop the play before the snap is irrelevant.

The mechanics of the paging process is also unclear, besides who exactly receives the page. I don't know what it looks like, what information is included, etc. I could not find these details in the nfl rules.

 

[glimmerman]

So in your opinion, neither David Irving got held on essentially the game-winning play in the Green Bay game nor did Lamb get interfered with in our most recent game against Green Bay? Getting jobbed can be penalties not being called as well, just like the interference in the Saints-Rams game a few years ago that temporarily led to a new rule.

Both of those non-calls were huge at those points in the game. If you don't believe penalties should have been called in either of those situations, you really do just like being contrary when it comes to officiating.

Both happened. Irving beat his guy and he rode him down about in a choke hold right in front of a ref. I think even rogers looked at it. Then scrambled and throws a good pass that should have been called back and we should have went to OT.

And Lamb got hit so early I figured maybe the ref wasn’t going to waste the time to throw the flag. Just walk over and turn his mic on and announce the PI. Or someone else threw the flag and we didn’t see it. That was a 4th down. Strange both happened at the most crucial times.

 

[RonnieT24]

If you want to compare how many times we've been jobbed at the end of games vs. how many times the teams we've faced have been jobbed at the end, I think you'll badly lose that argument. A couple of examples of bad calls in our favor don't negate the argument that we get an inordinate amount that go against us.

Yeah the fact that the refs missed one chance to screw the Cowboys in the last half decade is supposed to make up for the 30 other times they have given it to us in the shorts. Good luck with that.

 

[DripTooHard]

This is all foreshadowing for the screw job that will happen in the playoffs. Lead pipe lock. I’ll place my money on it!

We have had a recent instance of refs deciding who goes to the Super Bowl on behalf of the NFC. I know many Saints fans that stopped watching after that day. This is pure evidence that the league is run like the WWE.