Twitter: What was Kellen thinking on 3rd & 10?

[CowboyRoy]

There is no way you can say it didn't matter that they could use the whole field with the timeout in their pocket vs not having it which would have shrunk the field for them to just the sideline area.

I agree. I never said it.

 

[Kevinicus]

Check the video.

As I told the last guy. I have many times. This isn't a new idea.

The Beasely thing was wrong in 2014 just as it is today.

 

[droopdog7]

ok, obviously you like to take chances and that is fine, but considering how both teams were playing at that point - you do what you have to to win and with 1:13 to play and you choice is going for a pass or forcing them to use their last timeout and leaving them only 1:13 to go all the way no stopping clock, then obvious play is to run and forcing them to do just that.

now a more tempered pass would of been ok, but only make the pass if it is a sure thing, otherwise you run it yourself keeping the clock running. Not really a monday morning thing, it was a on the spot thing that I see way too many times with this team. You have a qb, who like Romo in first half of his career, who is inconsistent as he is, you cant afford to get cute. Now this is not a knock on Dak. I do not partake in the whole division thing that has overtaken this board at times, but I do believe I am realistic in my evaluations of him though. He can be great at times, but he can just be just blah and we have seen that. Will he get us to a superbowl and win it all, probably not but him with a more team effort as well as coaching, then yeah. He has the talent to do it.

For me personally, if we would of run it, we would have won. Jacksonville, even in second half, has shown nothing enough to get down the field with no TOs, so lucky for them they had one. It was a judgement call, and I guess I shouldn't have expected them to make any different one so it is what it is. One of the reasons why I gave up hanging my hat up on every season/every game. Nowadays, they win or lose, doesn't stress me out like it use to. Just need to remember that more when they play these games they should win I guess.

It’s not that I like taking chances. It’s that I inherently understood that going for the first down gave us the best chance to win. Big difference.

The part that isn’t being discussed much is the difference between getting into field goal range with one vs no timeouts. People making WAY too much of the difference. You say they couldn’t stop the clock but of course they could. Many way to stop the clock even without the timeout out.

As it turns out, the timeout out came in handy. But it’s a whole differently reality if they don’t have one. And even if you take that reality, they still had a chance to get into fg range without the timeout.

So my take is simple. I take the chance to get that first down and basically end the game well over one vs no timeouts. Problem is we didn’t get the first down, which DID make it easier for them to get into range. But we didn’t go into third down with the idea that we wouldn’t make it.

As for the jags, they are KILLING us in the second half. In my mind they were going to get into range with or without that timeout, so yeah, go for the first. And not some safe play that might stop the clock AND not get the first.

 

[J_Allen]

He wasn't thinking and if I play someone in Madden who's been following football for over 10 years and they do the same stupid **** I'm going to ask the same question.

At what point is the owner of the most profitable, valuable sports team in the world going to take coaching seriously? He can't ride this at the same trajectory and expect people to keep feeding him money. That shouldn't even happen at the high school level.

 

[Booger]

He wasn't thinking and if I play someone in Madden who's been following football for over 10 years and they do the same stupid **** I'm going to ask the same question.

At what point is the owner of the most profitable, valuable sports team in the world going to take coaching seriously? He can't ride this at the same trajectory and expect people to keep feeding him money. That shouldn't even happen at the high school level.

While I agree.....a quarter of a century of booger is pretty solid. See the ODB saga.

Brought to you by.......jedford and son.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

As I told the last guy. I have many times. This isn't a new idea.

The Beasely thing was wrong in 2014 just as it is today.

Ok believe what you want.

 

[buybuydandavis]

This is my point, in this case, I just think Dak should have taken a little more ownership of a bad play from his OC. Call time and make it's the right play the OC wanna call or make his case for a better play.

Good point on the time out. Pivotal play and the routes left much to be desired.

Although the real play for an all grown up QB would be to audible. I don't know what the defense looked like on the snap, but Brown was all alone against a guy who soon enough was giving you *exactly* what you want on that play.

 

[buybuydandavis]

That's exactly what I want to know. I find it hard to believe Moore essentially told all 3 guys "go deep" in that situation.

Well, can't say that I'd really find it all that shocking. Every so often Moore reverts to Garrett Ball.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Just to make my point clear, Beasley is past the sticks, closer defender is 3 yards off, and he is crossing in front of the QB. That was not only a first down, might have been a good gain. I don't blame Tony, is a split second decision and he went for all the marbles, that is who he is. But a better QB might have gone for the safe play there. Fine tuned QBing matters at this level, that's why Brady is so good, good decisions at precise moments in the game, among other things. I know, ancient history.

IDK if Dak will ever add that to his game, he used to play it safe, he is becoming too much of a gun slinger lately to my taste.

 

[Beast_from_East]

What is this??????? We chose THIS over making them use their timeout? This is on Kellen and McCarthy.

What a total trash play design, run 3 WRs all on vertical routes when you need 4 yards to win the dam game.

 

[Playmaker3128]

I actually think during that game dak was as decisive as I've ever seen him. Yes its led to more int's, but I like how he's been playing over how he used to check the ball down every play. Maybe he found something on that last drive against Houston.

That being said, its almost like our coordinators. Specifically moore, don't know how to respond to adversity. The first two plays of that last drive he calls run plays that are so conservative they lose us yardage, then on 3rd down he calls a play that has no chance of being complete. Its almost like he's more concerned with absolving himself of blame, rather than winning the game.

 

[madcow74]

There's no reason with the top running back duo we couldn't have ran for a first down and ended it. Bad play calls

 

[RonnieT24]

No I get it.

If the play works it was well designed.

If it doesnt work it was poorly designed.

Nah.. sometimes great players make a poorly designed play work and poor execution can make a well designed play flop. You got eleven moving parts on every offensive snap. That's a lotta variables. Ten guys could do their job flawlessly and one guy blowing his assignment can screw up a play. The fact that on both the potential "game clinching" plays Noah Brown got open and Dak his him in the hands and chest with the ball tells me the play design was okay. It was the execution that failed. The bigger issue was not having an shorter target for Dak on the 4th quarter play. The OT play was just a damn drop. It happens. We'll get over it.. So will Noah Brown.

 

[RonnieT24]

I actually think during that game dak was as decisive as I've ever seen him. Yes its led to more int's, but I like how he's been playing over how he used to check the ball down every play. Maybe he found something on that last drive against Houston.

That being said, its almost like our coordinators. Specifically moore, don't know how to respond to adversity. The first two plays of that last drive he calls run plays that are so conservative they lose us yardage, then on 3rd down he calls a play that has no chance of being complete. Its almost like he's more concerned with absolving himself of blame, rather than winning the game.

The first down run to Zeke was brain dead. It was a delay handoff right to left across the formation leaving the backside DE completely unblocked. Who the hell drew up that play? If they don't make Zeke jab step right before taking the handoff he beats the DE to the hole and might have scored because Tyron pulled and cleaned out the middle of the line. Zeke certainly would have gotten at least a first down. The blocking scheme on that play has been an issue for me since Philbin came to town. I don't know what he's thinking. It's like he thinks all defensive ends are morons who won't read their keys and follow the lineman that should be blocking him into the hole. That one play has been stopped for losses more than any other play in our playbook. The design stinks.. The only time it seems that it isn't stopped for a loss is when Zeke or TP fight off the unblocked defender in the backfield.

 

[Redline360]

Dumb play call and design by KM

However I'm not letting Dak off easy on this one. Year 7 he should know by now what to do. Should of killed the play and ran his own. No way he thought that was a good idea

 

[terra]

It was a failure on KM and Dak; one for calling it and one for not audibling out of it or at the least running instead

But since KM is Jethro's latest boy genius we are stuck with him


Remember how long it took for Jethro, kicking and screaming all the way, to finally let loose of Ginger?

 

[Hennessy_King]

What is this??????? We chose THIS over making them use their timeout? This is on Kellen and McCarthy.

Please lord let someone other than the cowboys hire kellen as a HC next year.

 

[RonnieT24]

Please lord let someone other than the cowboys hire kellen as a HC next year.

Amen.. If he's not gone next year I may not even bother to watch because I know how it's going to play out. We know he KNOWS how to call a game plan that plays to the defense and runs the ball because he did it with Cooper Rush.. but as soon as Dak came back he lost his damn mind again. So while some blame Dak, I blame Moore. Remember from Hard Knocks last year Dak proclaimed Kellen Moore "an offensive genius." So in Dak's eyes Moore can do no wrong so he's not likely to overrule him in key situations. That's why the whole "Dak audibles out of run plays" narrative holds no water. Dak believes in Moore and in himself... and unfortunately he has started to trust his receivers to make plays against tight coverage. And frankly the Cowboys have not had that guy since Dez was released. Yes these guys can occasionally win.. but as we've seen.. a lot of times they lose.. Or in Brown's case.. just drop the ball.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Just to make my point clear, Beasley is past the sticks, closer defender is 3 yards off, and he is crossing in front of the QB. That was not only a first down, might have been a good gain. I don't blame Tony, is a split second decision and he went for all the marbles, that is who he is. But a better QB might have gone for the safe play there. Fine tuned QBing matters at this level, that's why Brady is so good, good decisions at precise moments in the game, among other things. I know, ancient history.

IDK if Dak will ever add that to his game, he used to play it safe, he is becoming too much of a gun slinger lately to my taste.

Once Romo looked left Beasely would be the fourth read here.

Romo wasn't even looking at him. He reads single coverage on Dez. Even if he went through his progressions to look at Beasley, he's only free because his cover comes on the blitz only to picked up by the LB (there are two players in the general area on him initially) and Romo had already decided to throw the ball to Dez before Beasley even makes his break. The only "safe" throw would be to Murray.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

With the time remaining, you simply HAVE to make them burn that time out. I don’t mind the pass as much as the low probability play design/execution. We went for a Jimmy ‘92 at candlestick just poorly executed. You still run or maybe call a boot/option where Dak can run if nothing’s there. They had too many plays to run (Jax) to effectively get in position without that TO in their back pocket barring a huge defensive breakdown. There’s plenty of blame to go around for the loss, but it’s CATASTROPHIC the way we managed the game after that gift of a fumble.