Twitter: What was Kellen thinking on 3rd & 10?

[Starforever]

so your saying no coach or player knew where the first down was ? Lol

No Roy, what I am saying is (sad that I need to break this down), a short quick play to any offensive player, would've netted better results. Used time out (Jags), clock running, and perhaps an opportunity on the field to get the needed ten yards. That my single minded friend, is what I was saying.

 

[Wizarus]

I have said so many times before, Dallas has the worst route runners in the league...look at those routes, i could cover the receivers if they are all just running lazy routes like that. You just lay on their hip and ride them out. No wonder they don't get separation often. As for the pass it is a very low percentage completion that has to be perfect and the receiver needs to get separation. Had Brown just stopped and sat at the first down sticks, it is an easy and high percentage completion. Dumb play call, dumb pass, dumb players and dumb OC. So the problem is not that they passed, its the design of the play. High degree of difficulty and a very important and key play which would have won the game.

Cooper is one of the best route runners in the league and we let him go. Cant complain if we aren't willing to pay for it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No Roy, what I am saying is (sad that I need to break this down), a short quick play to any offensive player, would've netted better results. Used time out (Jags), clock running, and perhaps an opportunity on the field to get the needed ten yards. That my single minded friend, is what I was saying.

A shorter route doesnt guarantee a completion. And had the pass been underneath and the guy get tackled before the FD, you guys would be complaining the route was too short.

And if the Cowboys defense makes but ONE play, we arent talking about this.

Bottom line is you dont like the play because it didnt work. If Moore runs the ball there and they kick the FG to win............AGAIN you complain that he didnt try to get the FD.

And why couldnt Zeke or Pollard make some yards on first or 2nd down? LOL

AGain, its nitpicky nonsense.

 

[droopdog7]

well i think we should of looked for a short easy catch or you run the ball as a qb.... a few yards isn't going to hurt. If you know this is what you are going to do ahead of time (hello Dak) then you can design a bootleg or a minimal loss to a gain if you dont pass. what they did, cost us the game plain and simple

I think going for a short catch is the worst option of all. You're risking an incompletion and still might not get a first down. Like I said, if you're going for it, go for it. As for 6-8 yards, like I said, it's one less completion. May or may not mean much in the end, but not something to be dismissed.

 

[XXLMike]

If you’re going to throw it - you throw on 2nd Down.

 

[droopdog7]

I was def more referencing a rollout type thing. Where if nothing is open you slide for like no gain. If nothing is wide open on the rollout you slide for at minimum a loss of one. Low risk play either way.

Yeah, low risk low reward. You'd still lose yardage but maybe more like 3-5. But you'd be risking an incomplete and possibly running a guy out of bounds, which would look really stupid. I think too many people think that half stepping it would have been the best choice, but I think it's the opposite (i.e., the worst choice) because you might get an incompletion out of it or a completion and still not get the first down.

As I've been saying, if you're going for it, then go for it. If you're not, then go ahead and run it. But in this case, I think trying to have your cake and eat it too is the worst choice of all.

 

[droopdog7]

If you’re going to throw it - you throw on 2nd Down.

I don't think you throw on 2-13 or 14. You're risking an incompletion and probably not going to get the first down. Needed to get it to somewhat manageable, which they did at 3-10. Coaches did it exactly right given the outcome of the plays.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

No he wasn't.

Check the video.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I think going for a short catch is the worst option of all. You're risking an incompletion and still might not get a first down. Like I said, if you're going for it, go for it. As for 6-8 yards, like I said, it's one less completion. May or may not mean much in the end, but not something to be dismissed.

One less completion, thats it?? how about it was big reason we lost at the end.
but saying that, you go for a much less sure-thing pass? I mean if the 9-10 yard pass would be there maybe, but that guy better be WIDE OPEN and you have a good plant in your throw otherwise you run as a qb. any deeper than that is plain dumb and what do you know, Dak tried it so.... But ultimately, i stick to my original logic what any smart game manager would do and that is you run the ball there, you force the opponent to use their last TO. It is what 99% of teams (not named Cowboys) would do in that exact situation and the loss is mainly on whoever made that decision.

 

[droopdog7]

One less completion, thats it?? how about it was big reason we lost at the end.
but saying that, you go for a much less sure-thing pass? I mean if the 9-10 yard pass would be there maybe, but that guy better be WIDE OPEN and you have a good plant in your throw otherwise you run as a qb. any deeper than that is plain dumb and what do you know, Dak tried it so.... But ultimately, i stick to my original logic what any smart game manager would do and that is you run the ball there, you force the opponent to use their last TO. It is what 99% of teams (not named Cowboys) would do in that exact situation and the loss is mainly on whoever made that decision.

I don’t know what teams would do there but going fit first was pretty obvious. I’m betting analytics tell you the same. Just didn’t work out.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I don’t know what teams would do there but going fit first was pretty obvious. I’m betting analytics tell you the same. Just didn’t work out.

well in that situation, calling a pass cost us the game. I do know that I was yelling at my tv calling this management stupid for calling a pass play there, especially throwing a near impossible throw there.
I always root for the win no matter how stupid this team management gets, but the loss is fitting for the level it has reached over past few weeks.

 

[Starforever]

A shorter route doesnt guarantee a completion. And had the pass been underneath and the guy get tackled before the FD, you guys would be complaining the route was too short.

And if the Cowboys defense makes but ONE play, we arent talking about this.

Bottom line is you dont like the play because it didnt work. If Moore runs the ball there and they kick the FG to win............AGAIN you complain that he didnt try to get the FD.

And why couldnt Zeke or Pollard make some yards on first or 2nd down? LOL

AGain, its nitpicky nonsense.

Dud you read anything that I said, or are you so dug in, that context doesn't matter. While getting the first down was the goal, running the clock was more important. That dumb play is called by better teams, with a good defense. Not by an erratic team with a soft defense.

 

[droopdog7]

well in that situation, calling a pass cost us the game. I do know that I was yelling at my tv calling this management stupid for calling a pass play there, especially throwing a near impossible throw there.
I always root for the win no matter how stupid this team management gets, but the loss is fitting for the level it has reached over past few weeks.

I was yelling at my tv to go for the first down right after second down. Doesn’t matter what we were yelling.

And there were many more important plays than that, even if you ignore the drop by brown (which if you had to choose one play, was the most crucial one). This play was WAY down the list.

Either way, sometimes the right decision doesn’t work. But that’s not how you judge them. Was it the right call at the time? 100% no doubt in my mind. Anyone saying otherwise doesn’t understand or is only judging the result.

 

[TexasBoys2288]

Yeah terrible call. You HAVE to run it there and take their last TO. It’s ballsy and everyone applauds it if it works but single call changed the outcome of the game from a w to an L

Bada Bing. Extremely stupid call, so stupid it is moronic.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dud you read anything that I said, or are you so dug in, that context doesn't matter. While getting the first down was the goal, running the clock was more important. That dumb play is called by better teams, with a good defense. Not by an erratic team with a soft defense.

Says who you? LOL

You dont like the play because it didnt work. If it works, you love it.

Glad you finally admit its the fault of the defense.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I was yelling at my tv to go for the first down right after second down. Doesn’t matter what we were yelling.

And there were many more important plays than that, even if you ignore the drop by brown (which if you had to choose one play, was the most crucial one). This play was WAY down the list.

Either way, sometimes the right decision doesn’t work. But that’s not how you judge them. Was it the right call at the time? 100% no doubt in my mind. Anyone saying otherwise doesn’t understand or is only judging the result.

ok, obviously you like to take chances and that is fine, but considering how both teams were playing at that point - you do what you have to to win and with 1:13 to play and you choice is going for a pass or forcing them to use their last timeout and leaving them only 1:13 to go all the way no stopping clock, then obvious play is to run and forcing them to do just that.

now a more tempered pass would of been ok, but only make the pass if it is a sure thing, otherwise you run it yourself keeping the clock running. Not really a monday morning thing, it was a on the spot thing that I see way too many times with this team. You have a qb, who like Romo in first half of his career, who is inconsistent as he is, you cant afford to get cute. Now this is not a knock on Dak. I do not partake in the whole division thing that has overtaken this board at times, but I do believe I am realistic in my evaluations of him though. He can be great at times, but he can just be just blah and we have seen that. Will he get us to a superbowl and win it all, probably not but him with a more team effort as well as coaching, then yeah. He has the talent to do it.

For me personally, if we would of run it, we would have won. Jacksonville, even in second half, has shown nothing enough to get down the field with no TOs, so lucky for them they had one. It was a judgement call, and I guess I shouldn't have expected them to make any different one so it is what it is. One of the reasons why I gave up hanging my hat up on every season/every game. Nowadays, they win or lose, doesn't stress me out like it use to. Just need to remember that more when they play these games they should win I guess.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This stuff should be filtered through the HC, and it's not like McCarthy doesn't know offenses either. The issue is, Moore has both McCarthy and Dak saying they want to take chances.

They all believe Dak has a golden arm.

Glad to know you are in the huddle when MM, Moore, and Dak have conversations together.

 

[DogFace]

And the defense had to cave?

No. I never, nor did anyone else that I remember, say that.

The play design should have been much better. That idea should be thought of completely separately from what the defense did later.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No. I never, nor did anyone else that I remember, say that.

The play design should have been much better. That idea should be thought of completely separately from what the defense did later.

No I get it.

If the play works it was well designed.

If it doesnt work it was poorly designed.

 

[JonesBoys]

It helped them, but thats all it did. That doesnt mean the defense had to cave. And it doenst mean that making a first down pass wouldnt have ended the game.

There is no way you can say it didn't matter that they could use the whole field with the timeout in their pocket vs not having it which would have shrunk the field for them to just the sideline area.