What will it take for Dez to overtake Megatron?

[Manwiththeplan]

For starters, how can you use a comparison between two players in a different sport, who played different positions and played in two different eras to compare two wide receivers who both play now? If you wanted to use a basketball analogy, which would still make no sense, at least compare two players who played the same position during roughly the same time. You know like Shaq vs Hakeem or Jordan vs Drexler, other wise it comes across as just making stuff up.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

And scoring more TDs makes you a better player? That statistic alone?

 

[cowboys2233]

For starters, how can you use a comparison between two players in a different sport, who played different positions and played in two different eras to compare two wide receivers who both play now? If you wanted to use a basketball analogy, which would still make no sense, at least compare two players who played the same position during roughly the same time. You know like Shaq vs Hakeem or Jordan vs Drexler, other wise it comes across as just making stuff up.

I'm using those comparisons because of body type. Sure Howard is the biggest and strongest around. But because of MJ's overall athleticism, traits which some of you simply dismiss as not being real, he was a far more dangerous offensive player than DH. I don't care if they played int he same era, there can be no debating that. And if you're so set on making comparisons during the same time, how about reading the blog I posted a link to, which compares Dez's first three years to CJ's? As was the original point of this thread so long ago, it's not about what has already happened, it's what is about to happen. And I think Dez Bryant is about to become the clear cut #1 receiver in the game. This year. And for the next several beyond that. And a comparison of DB and CJ's numbers over the first three years supports that. I can't believe how infatuated some of you are with CJ. He had five freakin' TDs last year. In that pass happy offense. It's embarrassing.

 

[Tezz]

Just throwing out stats all the time without looking behind it is meaningless. So, Im guessing Jason Witten is garbage since he doesnt score TDs as often? TDs are subjective to so many things for a receiver that's why if you look at the top 10 year to year it looks different.

As I stated before because CJ is such a weapon in the redzone a majority of teams sell out on him that is how dangerous he is viewed and the Lions were one of the leaders in redzone rushing TDs. A large chunk of those came when a team would apply an extra man on CJ. That wont show up in CJ's individual statistics, but he had a direct correlation to TDs. CJ opens things up for the other receivers as well. I already brought up his getting tackled at the one yard line deal numerous times, but the TD amount isnt as important to me as much as the impact into leading the offense to TDs.

Perspective is needed when you are comparing the first three years, CJ has played half his career with a combination of Drew Stanton/Orlovsky/Kitna/Culpepper/Shaun Hill and during those years he was still productive. Think about that for a second, he is the definition of QB proof...

 

[DFWJC]

I'll bet you 1K right now that Dez Bryant has more TDs this year than CJ. You know, the greatest receiver the world has ever known? Should be an easy bet to take.

That was not the bet.
Calvin will be double and triple teamed...he does not have Miles or Witten on his team.


The argument was whether or not last year's 5 TDs were a fluke for Calvin. You were using it as proof that "he can't finished deal"....which is preposterous.

I was saying he had plenty of Tds the previous two years (combined 27) and # of TDs are hard to predict from year to year. But also that 5 will almost certainly not happen again this year barring injury.

So that was my bet.

I would never predict whether or not Dez will outscore Calvin (I hope he does!!). Andwith far more single coverage (or double at the most) it would not surprise me.
Dez is a beast.

 

[cowboys2233]

Just throwing out stats all the time without looking behind it is meaningless. So, Im guessing Jason Witten is garbage since he doesnt score TDs as often? TDs are subjective to so many things for a receiver that's why if you look at the top 10 year to year it looks different.

As I stated before because CJ is such a weapon in the redzone a majority of teams sell out on him that is how dangerous he is viewed and the Lions were one of the leaders in redzone rushing TDs. A large chunk of those came when a team would apply an extra man on CJ. That wont show up in CJ's individual statistics, but he had a direct correlation to TDs. CJ opens things up for the other receivers as well. I already brought up his getting tackled at the one yard line deal numerous times, but the TD amount isnt as important to me as much as the impact into leading the offense to TDs.

Perspective is needed when you are comparing the first three years, CJ has played half his career with a combination of Drew Stanton/Orlovsky/Kitna/Culpepper/Shaun Hill and during those years he was still productive. Think about that for a second, he is the definition of QB proof...

If you're asking if Dez Bryant is a better red zone weapon than Jason Witten, then yes, he very definitely is. Dunno where this "garbage" term came from, we're debating who is the very best, not who is garbage. It's statements like those that make me realize there is no dealing with some of you, you constantly put words in other peoples mouth's and don't even pay one ounce of attention to a contrary point of view. Who the heck said anything about anyone being garbage? Ridiculous and stupid.

 

[cowboys2233]

That was not the bet.
Calvin will be double and triple teamed...he does not have Miles or Witten on his team.


The argument was whether or not last year's 5 TDs were a fluke for Calvin. You were using it as proof that "he can't finished deal"....which is preposterous.

I was saying he had plenty of Tds the previous two years (combined 27) and # of TDs are hard to predict from year to year. But also that 5 will almost certainly not happen again this year barring injury.

So that was my bet.

I would never predict whether or not Dez will outscore Calvin (I hope he does!!). Andwith far more single coverage (or double at the most) it would not surprise me.
Dez is a beast.

No, I was making the point that the best receiver playing today should be able to score more than 5 touchdowns in a season. The original argument was whether Bryant or CJ is currently a better, more dangerous receiver. Pay attention.

 

[Tezz]

You stated that CJ's production in the middle of field in your words is worthless cause he doesnt get TDs, which is why I mentioned Jason Witten

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm using those comparisons because of body type. Sure Howard is the biggest and strongest around. But because of MJ's overall athleticism, traits which some of you simply dismiss as not being real, he was a far more dangerous offensive player than DH. I don't care if they played int he same era, there can be no debating that.

If you don't see why this comparison fails, then it may be pointless to argue with you. Let me put it this way. Shaq was better than Allen Iverson because he was bigger. Calvin Johnson is Shaq and Dez is Allen Iverson, so debate.....

And if you're so set on making comparisons during the same time, how about reading the blog I posted a link to, which compares Dez's first three years to CJ's? As was the original point of this thread so long ago, it's not about what has already happened, it's what is about to happen. And I think Dez Bryant is about to become the clear cut #1 receiver in the game. This year. And for the next several beyond that. And a comparison of DB and CJ's numbers over the first three years supports that. I can't believe how infatuated some of you are with CJ. He had five freakin' TDs last year. In that pass happy offense. It's embarrassing.

I read the article when it was posted, and while I don't disagree that their production through three years is similar, I think it's unrealistic to expect anyone to develop into the player that Calvin Johnson is. And you keep harping over his 5 TDs last year, but what about his 16 the year before? You want to make a 1k bet, bet me that Dez exceeds that number this year. Should be a simple bet right?

 

[DFWJC]

No, I was making the point that the best receiver playing today should be able to score more than 5 touchdowns in a season. The original argument was whether Bryant or CJ is currently a better, more dangerous receiver. Pay attention.

I'm not going to bash Dez b/c I too think he is a star.
But harping on 's 5 TDs when the guy nearly had 2000 yards and had a whopping 16 TDs just one year earlier comes across as silly.

 

[dstovall5]

I'm not going to bash Dez b/c I too think he is a star.
But harping on 's 5 TDs when the guy nearly had 2000 yards and had a whopping 16 TDs just one year earlier comes across as silly.

No DFWJC, you're suppose to look at it from a bias view point! When you do that, it becomes much clear that Dez is the best WR in the league even though he has only done it for half of a season.