What will it take for Dez to overtake Megatron?

[Hoofbite]

It would take a horrible performance by everyone else, forcing Dez to be the only receiving option on the field.

 

[CATCH17]

. Is Calvin Johnson bigger and faster in a straight line? .

Thats another thing. I can't watch Dez and Calvin play and say that Calvin looks faster.

Plus Dez is in better shape now then he has ever been after all of his offseason training this year. His conditioning, supposedly, went to another level.

 

[cowboys2233]

Thats another thing. I can't watch Dez and Calvin play and say that Calvin looks faster.

Plus Dez is in better shape now then he has ever been after all of his offseason training this year. His conditioning, supposedly, went to another level.

It's because he's not nearly as quick laterally. He looks like he's kind of a plodder. But when all is said and done, he probably is a bit faster over a straight line. But again, Dez's other characteristics, including his lateral quickness, that makes him more dangerous IMO. That's what killed Roy Williams (and frankly, why I knew that was going to be the one of the most idiotic moves Jerry ever made). Was he fast going straight ahead? Sure. But he had no quickness, and couldn't get any separation from DBs at all. He really kind of sucked.

 

[CATCH17]

It's because he's not nearly as quick laterally. He looks like he's kind of a plodder. But when all is said and done, he probably is a bit faster over a straight line. But again, Dez's other characteristics, including his lateral quickness, that makes him more dangerous IMO.

Wasn't Roy Williams a 4.3 guy coming out of UT too?

Can't say he looks faster either.

 

[dstovall5]

I think some people under rate how good Calvin actually is. He's been the best since Moss and he's very similar to Moss in his freakish ability.

For Dez to "overtake" Calvin, he'd first have to separate himself from the other 2 studs that are up and coming. Dez still hasn't surpassed A.J Green or Julio Jones in my opinion, to me they're all in the same group. I think it's foolish for people to put him ahead of those guys when they've done just as much as Dez, though, I understand Dez is a cowboy and this a cowboy board so most will disagree.

 

[Texas_Pete]

I believe Calvin Johnson is just better.

He is their clear cut #1 option and has been for a few years now. Dez is now our #1 option.

Grow 3 inches and run a little faster.

Ha Ha - He is a freak, but he is at his peak. We haven't seen Dez's yet.

 

[dargonking999]

I think truthfully this will probably always be a debate. In Calvin you have a bigger guy who is fast, and can shrug of tackles, and out jump everyone. With Dez you have more quickness, ability to make cuts, and go from 0-60 in a blink. He may not jump as high, but he has the same kind of hands, and ability to make plays. When it comes down to who's better, even though it will never be clear, as it always does it will end up being determined by which receiver leads there team further, and stays the healthiest. If Dez can be the #1 WR, stay on the field and take this team to the superbowl and win it. He will be seen as better. If not, then Calvin will be better..

But truthfully these guys are both Rare players, but both attack the field differently. The comparisons while understable aren't really capable.

 

[cowboys2233]

Wasn't Roy Williams a 4.3 guy coming out of UT too?

Can't say he looks faster either.

Exactly. Plaxico, another guy I mentioned earlier, was the same way. He could eat up yardage when he got that long stride going but Dez is twice the receiver that Plaxico ever was because of his other abilities. Plax could easily be shut down if he became a point of focus for a defense. I think it is going to become especially clear this year that containing Dez is a whole new thing.

 

[Doomsday101]

This reminds me when people would compare Irvin to Rice. Rice was the standard guys like Mike strived for. I don't know if Dez will put up better numbers than Calvin and it really means little if he doesn't as long as the end results are the Cowboys success.

 

[CATCH17]

I think it is going to become especially clear this year that containing Dez is a whole new thing.

Thats why im saying let's see what happens this year.

It will be a little more clear cut after this season but Dez could just go to another level.

We've seen the best Calvin Johnson.

 

[cowboys2233]

This reminds me when people would compare Irvin to Rice. Rice was the standard guys like Mike strived for. I don't know if Dez will put up better numbers than Calvin and it really means little if he doesn't as long as the end results are the Cowboys success.

Oh, and Romo is twice the QB that Stafford is. So yes, Calvin plays in an offense geared entirely around him while the Boys have more balance. But Romo's greatness versus Stafford's suckitude will make up the difference and Dez will have more yards and touchdowns this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, and Romo is twice the QB that Stafford is. So yes, Calvin plays in an offense geared entirely around him while the Boys have more balance. But Romo's greatness versus Stafford's suckitude will make up the difference and Dez will have more yards and touchdowns this year.

I would not mind seeing that at all on the other hand Dez personal stats just like Calvins stats do not mean much if your not winning. Calvin had a great year but so what the Lions went 3-13 so who cares what Calvin did because it did not help the Lions. I think Dez will have a very good year but I also think guys like Austin, Witten will play big parts. I don't want Tony forcing the ball to Dez because in the end it is not the stats that will win the games.

 

[The Natural]

Winning a superbowl

Has Calvin Johnson won a playoff game?

 

[The Natural]

He needs to take over games. Be that guy who can't be stopped. Be the guy that dictates what the defense is going to do. Then he will be considered the best WR.

I think part of that is on the OC/QB just as much as it is Dez, he cant throw the ball to himself. That means when you get in the redzone you should be throwing it up to #88 atleast one time. Look at a game like NO last year where he posted 150 rec. yards in the first half and didnt see the ball again until the 4th quarter.

 

[Nova]

There's no way for Dez to be better than Megatron physically, so he would have to be a better student of the game and become a more polished WR, which may not be all that hard to do.

In short Dez would have to be smoother with his route running and put up big numbers consistently.

However, Dez may not even be the best candidate with the most potential to overthrow Megatron as the league's best. That honor may belong to both AJ Green and Julio Jones.

But in reality, unless Megatron falls off a cliff with his production, he'll likely be perceived as the best WR in the league until he hangs em up.

 

[cowboys2233]

I would not mind seeing that at all on the other hand Dez personal stats just like Calvins stats do not mean much if your not winning. Calvin had a great year but so what the Lions went 3-13 so who cares what Calvin did because it did not help the Lions. I think Dez will have a very good year but I also think guys like Austin, Witten will play big parts. I don't want Tony forcing the ball to Dez because in the end it is not the stats that will win the games.

Red zone touchdowns will. And that's why having a receiver like Dez can be so important. He has the physical ability to dominate, even in tighter spaces like the red zone. I'm a firm believer that all meaningful stats start and end inside the 20s. Moving between the 20s is virtually meaningless. We sucked in the red zone last year because frankly, we weren't very good, most because of our horrific offensive line, but got marginally better when Dez came into his own in the second half of the year. Combining Dez's continued ascension with better o-line play, which would give Romo more time and give us at least a moderately effective running game, will significantly improve our red zone success. With greater red zone success comes more wins and I firmly believe that is going to happen this year, barring injuries.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

The thing is you guys are just basing it on physical ability.


Physical ability does not judge who is the best at what they do in the NFL. It's just 1 tool for getting to that status.

exactly. people drool over lebron's athleticism, just like calvin johnson's.

That doesn't translate to being the best at your respective position. It translates to you being the most athletic at your position.

People overrate athletes constantly based on their physical attributes.

 

[dargonking999]

Has Calvin Johnson won a playoff game?

doesn't matter. Calvin isn't a cowboy

 

[cowboys2233]

There's no way for Dez to be better than Megatron physically, so he would have to be a better student of the game and become a more polished WR, which may not be all that hard to do.

In short Dez would have to be smoother with his route running and put up big numbers consistently.

However, Dez may not even be the best candidate with the most potential to overthrow Megatron as the league's best. That honor may belong to both AJ Green and Julio Jones.

But in reality, unless Megatron falls off a cliff with his production, he'll likely be perceived as the best WR in the league until he hangs em up.

Depends on how you define physical talent. Is coordination and body control included in that? How about lateral quickness and acceleration? They should be. Again, if it were only about size and straight line speed, there are any number of guys that could be defined as having more athletic talent than Dez, just as there were compared to Rice back in the day. But it's not just Rice's "drive" and "determination" that made him the best, he was also the best from a physical standpoint, but they were physical traits that don't necessarily show up at the combine. But they sure as heck showed up on the field. Same was the case with Emmitt. He was so freakin' smooth changing directions that he made it look so easy and because of that ease, people continue to say he wasn't nearly the best running back from a physical standpoint. But go back and watch video of him, watch how many times he broke the ankles of defenders who were trying to tackle him, he could change direction without losing speed better than any of them and turned defenders inside out on a regular basis.

 

[Nova]

I think some people under rate how good Calvin actually is. He's been the best since Moss and he's very similar to Moss in his freakish ability.

For Dez to "overtake" Calvin, he'd first have to separate himself from the other 2 studs that are up and coming. Dez still hasn't surpassed A.J Green or Julio Jones in my opinion, to me they're all in the same group. I think it's foolish for people to put him ahead of those guys when they've done just as much as Dez, though, I understand Dez is a cowboy and this a cowboy board so most will disagree.

What exactly has Julio Jones done better than Dez at this point? I think Jones has more potential than Dez, but I'd say Bryant is above Jones, at worst equal.