What will it take for Dez to overtake Megatron?

[Risen Star]

So, in other words, you would trade Dez Bryant for Calvin Johnson straight up, right now? Not me. Dez has more dimensions to his game, IMO.

I'd make that trade in a second. I'd bet every GM in the league would with the exception of ours.

 

[cowboys2233]

I'd make that trade in a second. I'd bet every GM in the league would with the exception of ours.

I dunno 'bout that.

 

[dstovall5]

So, in other words, you would trade Dez Bryant for Calvin Johnson straight up, right now? Not me. Dez has more dimensions to his game, IMO.

In a heart beat. This team only has 3-5 years left before we have to rebuild somewhat, and we'll get Calvin during his prime for those years. You honestly think Dez will be better then Calvin during the next 3-5 years?

 

[Risen Star]

Dez is a great player, but I don't think he will overtake Megatron. Sometimes one player is simply better than another.

Exactly. It's like asking what can LeSean McCoy do to overtake Adrian Peterson? Nothing. He's not as good as AP. He would need Peterson to decline.

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

So, in other words, you would trade Dez Bryant for Calvin Johnson straight up, right now? Not me. Dez has more dimensions to his game, IMO.

Just about anyone being honest about the talent of both players would make that trade. I'm not sure Dez can ever surpass Megatron.

 

[cowboys2233]

In a heart beat. This team only has 3-5 years left before we have to rebuild somewhat, and we'll get Calvin during his prime for those years. You honestly think Dez will be better then Calvin during the next 3-5 years?

I think he will be a better, more dangerous receiver than Johnson THIS year. So yes, I do. As Garrett said, Dez is only scratching the surface. Calvin is maxed out. And he won't sniff 2,000 again. I'd be surprised if he sniffed 1,600 again.

 

[cowboys2233]

Exactly. It's like asking what can LeSean McCoy do to overtake Adrian Peterson? Nothing. He's not as good as AP. He would need Peterson to decline.

No, no, no. To say that Dez is to Johnson what LeSean freakin' McCoy is to Peterson is just so wrong. I spit on your analogy.

 

[Risen Star]

Just about anyone being honest about the talent of both players would make that trade. I'm not sure Dez can ever surpass Megatron.

It's not even a question outside of this fan base.

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

It's not even a question outside of this fan base.

No kidding. As a fan, you cannot allow homerism get in the way of the truth. Dez is a prime talent, no doubt about it. But as previously stated, Megatron is a once-in-a-lifetime player. The two don't compare.

 

[dstovall5]

I think he will be a better, more dangerous receiver than Johnson THIS year. So yes, I do. As Garrett said, Dez is only scratching the surface. Calvin is maxed out. And he won't sniff 2,000 again. I'd be surprised if he sniffed 1,600 again.

How is Calvin Johnson maxed out? You do understand that Calvin is only 3 years older then Dez. So you think Dez will max out in 3 years? Also, even if Calvin Johnson is maxed out, he's still leaps and bounds above the next guy. Calvin Johnson is to the WRs as to what Adrian Peterson is to the RBs. They're tiers above the rest and they'll both go down as one of the greats as long as they don't get injured. Like others have pointed out, Calvin is a "once in a lifetime player" while Dez is a "once in a decade player".

 

[cowboys2233]

How is Calvin Johnson maxed out? You do understand that Calvin is only 3 years older then Dez. So you think Dez will max out in 3 years? Also, even if Calvin Johnson is maxed out, he's still leaps and bounds above the next guy. Calvin Johnson is to the WRs as to what Adrian Peterson is to the RBs. They're tiers above the rest and they'll both go down as one of the greats as long as they don't get injured.

No, I disagree. I think guys like Dez, Jones and A.J. Green are far closer to Johnson relative to how other running backs stand up to Peterson. When I say maxed out, I mean last season was his pinnacle production wise. I think defenses will defend the guy far more effectively from here on in because as I said, he doesn't have as many dimensions to his game. If he cranks out another season like last, I'll admit I'm wrong but I doubt I'll have to. Again, I'd be pretty surprised if he gets 1,600 ever again, much less gets close to 2,000.

 

[Modus]

Between Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant... hmmm...

I believe it's Dez Bryant, hands down. Bryant plays a LOT BIGGER than he is. While, Johnson HAS to play to his size to be effective. It's easy for a 6'5" 230 lbs. receiver to manhandle someone who gives up around 8 inches and 50 pounds. But, Bryant... he can match up better on a more level playing field and just muscle whoever he lines up against.

I feel like there is more than Megatron HAS to do against his opponent than Bryant DOESN'T NEED to do. Megatron can manhandle. Bryant just stands up and goes about his business... and the fact of the matter is... you expect the big and bad man to act accordingly. Nobody sees the smaller man winning the physical battle. And, that's what Bryant demonstrates in the comparison.

 

[dstovall5]

No, I disagree. I think guys like Dez, Jones and A.J. Green are far closer to Johnson relative to how other running backs stand up to Peterson. When I say maxed out, I mean last season was his pinnacle production wise. I think defenses will defend the guy far more effectively from here on in because as I said, he doesn't have as many dimensions to his game. If he cranks out another season like last, I'll admit I'm wrong but I doubt I'll have to. Again, I'd be pretty surprised if he gets 1,600 ever again, much less gets close to 2,000.

While I agree that he's most likely never going to reach that production again (same with AP), I still think he'll put up solid numbers for the next 5 years. I disagree that Calvin "doesn't have as many dimensions". I don't really understand what you mean here, because if you compare them Calvin wins in almost every category except acceleration and it's so miniscule it's not really worth mentioning. Also, If you think Calvin Johnson is mainly a deep threat then you're wrong again, because he caught over half his passes within 10 yards.

 

[BobGriffin3]

From a non biased perspective my list would go.

1. CJ
2. Larry Fitz - Dude is gifted and it's sad to see it wasted by shotty QB play.
3. AJ Green - The most underrated WR in the NFL. Makes the most insane catches in any coverage like CJ.
4. Brandon Marshall/Dez - 2 of the same caliber IMO. Very physical WR's but the reason why I put them at 4 is because of drops. I find them making some pretty dumb drops sometimes which sets them apart from the top 3.
5. Julio Jones
6. Pierre Garcon (jkin jkin)

I would list Steve Smith at 6.

 

[Red Dragon]

So, in other words, you would trade Dez Bryant for Calvin Johnson straight up, right now? Not me. Dez has more dimensions to his game, IMO.

I actually would make that trade if I were a GM, yes.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I think some people under rate how good Calvin actually is. He's been the best since Moss and he's very similar to Moss in his freakish ability.

For Dez to "overtake" Calvin, he'd first have to separate himself from the other 2 studs that are up and coming. Dez still hasn't surpassed A.J Green or Julio Jones in my opinion, to me they're all in the same group. I think it's foolish for people to put him ahead of those guys when they've done just as much as Dez, though, I understand Dez is a cowboy and this a cowboy board so most will disagree.

Who has done that? The OP was just asking what Dez would need to do to close the gap between him and Megatron.

 

[dstovall5]

Who has done that? The OP was just asking what Dez would need to do to close the gap between him and Megatron.

I wasn't referring to the OP, heck I didn't even quote him ... It's widely known that Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the league, but on these forum you have some people saying, "Dez has Calvin in most other categories and is the more dangerous receiver overall." So if they think Dez is better then Calvin, then it's very obvious they think Dez is above those other guys ... Well it's obvious to me at least.

 

[venky]

People are equating physical talent with being a good receiver. While it's true that it helps, it's only half the battle. I doubt the people saying Megatron is better than Dez because of his body would say Megatron is better than Jerry Rice ever was, because it just wouldn't be true. Rice was the most polished route runner.

To me, Dez has the perfect height and size for a receiver. He's Rice's height, and he's also a physical beast. This leads me to believe that if Dez continues to work on his route running, he may surpass Megatron.

Dez will never be the deep threat Megatron is, but that won't mean he's worse.

 

[Tezz]

Calvin Johnson receives Randy Moss coverage every game and puts up insane stats. He beats double and triple coverage on the regular...

 

[ware1manarmy]

Grow 3 inches and run a little faster.

this says it all. nothing wrong with being 2nd best receiver in the league