what will the #1 pick in 2008 draft cost?

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http://www.mercurynews.com/sportsheadlines/ci_6543613

the #2 pick in this year's draft will receive over $28M in guaranteed money. i don't believe any player on our current roster is anywhere near that number. would it make sense for the cowboys to draft a player so high? rookies are unproven and therefore a risk. wouldn't it make more sense to devote the limited dollars to proven veterans? i would rather select mid tier first rounders as opposed to one very pricey rookie.
 

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You cannot put a price tag on what a franchise player is worth. If we can get the best player in the draft, then you do it without worrying about the money aspect of it.
 

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Would you rather have McFadden at #1, or Slayton at 15 and a WR at #20?

Lots of cashesh either way.

Every year when we draft we are looking for BIG difference makers. Top draft choices many times are that. Lets pay the man!
 

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cobra;1576330 said:
You cannot put a price tag on what a franchise player is worth. If we can get the best player in the draft, then you do it without worrying about the money aspect of it.

And this is why you will never run a football organization. You always worry about economics of any transaction. This determines the positive or negative value of said transaction. I wouldn't pay $30 million guaranteed for anyone coming out next year, its just too much of a burden on the cap.
 

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the cowboys do not suffer from a dearth of talent. i believe we need solid players... not one great player. if you could take any single player in the nfl and pay him #1 2008 pick money... would he take us over the top? outside of manning and brady, i'm hard pressed to do so... even tomlinson without a solid offensive line would struggle. i just don't believe one player much less a rookie is worth so much.
 

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tvooz;1576358 said:
the cowboys do not suffer from a dearth of talent. i believe we need solid players... not one great player. if you could take any single player in the nfl and pay him #1 2008 pick money... would he take us over the top? outside of manning and brady, i'm hard pressed to do so... even tomlinson without a solid offensive line would struggle. i just don't believe one player much less a rookie is worth so much.

Thats the point my friend, with a top five pick you are 85% likely to get a top 25 player in the league for the next 8 years.

Brady
Manning
Brees
Tomlinson
Ware
Merriman
Marvin Harrison
Jason Taylor
Orlando Pace
Ogden


These are the type of players you are going to get in the top 5 and they are the type of players who take you (along with a solid roster like we have) to championships.
 

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these are the top five picks

2001:
Michael VickLeonard DavisGerard WarrenJustin SmithLaDainian Tomlinson
2002:
David CarrJulius PeppersJoey HarringtonMike WilliamsQuentin Jammer
2003:
Carson PalmerCharles RogersAndre JohnsonDewayne RobertsonTerence Newman
2004:
Eli ManningRobert GalleryLarry FitzgeraldPhilip RiversSean Taylor
2005:
Alex SmithRonnie BrownBraylon EdwardsCedric BensonCarnell Williams
2006:
Mario WilliamsReggie BushVince YoungD'Brickashaw FergusonA.J. Hawk

sometimes we don't realize the bust factor that comes with selecting a player very high.
 

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these are the top five picks

2001:
Michael Vick
Leonard Davis
Gerard Warren
Justin Smith
LaDainian Tomlinson
2002:
David Carr
Julius Peppers
Joey Harrington
Mike Williams
Quentin Jammer
2003:
Carson Palmer
Charles Rogers
Andre Johnson
Dewayne Robertson
Terence Newman
2004:
Eli Manning
Robert Gallery
Larry Fitzgerald
Philip Rivers
Sean Taylor
2005:
Alex Smith
Ronnie Brown
Braylon Edwards
Cedric Benson
Carnell Williams
2006:
Mario Williams
Reggie Bush
Vince Young
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
A.J. Hawk

sometimes we don't realize the bust factor that comes with selecting a player very high.
 

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tvooz;1576408 said:
these are the top five picks

2001:
Michael Vick *** bust
Leonard Davis *** marginal
Gerard Warren *** bust
Justin Smith *** bust
LaDainian Tomlinson

2002:
David Carr *** bust
Julius Peppers
Joey Harrington *** bust
Mike Williams *** bust
Quentin Jammer *** marginal

2003:
Carson Palmer
Charles Rogers *** bust
Andre Johnson
Dewayne Robertson *** marginal
Terence Newman

2004:
Eli Manning *** marginal
Robert Gallery *** marginal
Larry Fitzgerald
Philip Rivers
Sean Taylor

2005:
Alex Smith
Ronnie Brown *** marginal
Braylon Edwards *** marginal
Cedric Benson *** marginal
Carnell Williams *** marginal

2006:
Mario Williams
Reggie Bush
Vince Young
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
A.J. Hawk


sometimes we don't realize the bust factor that comes with selecting a player very high.


im not sold on selecting very high
 

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J.Jones21;1576389 said:
Thats the point my friend, with a top five pick you are 85% likely to get a top 25 player in the league for the next 8 years.

Brady
Manning
Brees
Tomlinson
Ware
Merriman
Marvin Harrison
Jason Taylor
Orlando Pace
Ogden


These are the type of players you are going to get in the top 5 and they are the type of players who take you (along with a solid roster like we have) to championships.

About half that list went top 5.

I for one wish the CBA would address rookie contracts. Too much financial risk towards unproven commodities.
 

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BaybeeJay;1576349 said:
And this is why you will never run a football organization. You always worry about economics of any transaction. This determines the positive or negative value of said transaction. I wouldn't pay $30 million guaranteed for anyone coming out next year, its just too much of a burden on the cap.
And you will?

We could worry all we want but that isn't going amount to squat. The owners will pay whatever necessary to get a player they feel is necessary to make the team better.
 

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tvooz;1576415 said:
im not sold on selecting very high

Have you even remotely considered it may be the 'selectors' rather than the 'selectees' that are the problem?
 

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So what is the other option? Trade down, get 3 1st rounders and pay them about 28 mill in bonuses in sum only to have them split time with other guys. Forget that, you have a shot at a true franchise player you pay that amount and more. You do it gladly and hope your next year's pick will be about 31 picks lower.
 

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abersonc;1576441 said:
So what is the other option? Trade down, get 3 1st rounders and pay them about 28 mill in bonuses in sum only to have them split time with other guys. Forget that, you have a shot at a true franchise player you pay that amount and more. You do it gladly and hope your next year's pick will be about 31 picks lower.

i believe that is the better route. i've solidified three positions. hopefully, three different positions. i've spread the money more evenly. the impact of losing one of three as opposed to one due to injury will be lessened. the impact of one very highly paid rookie will mean that the mid tier veterans will ask for more. the price of business just went up.
 

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I think the NFL needs to examine more closely the huge amount of salary cap they tied up in unproven rookies, particularly those going high in the first round. I don't think the top 2 or 3 teams got the trade offers they were seeking because of the number of draft picks they wanted in return and also because teams were concerned about how much money they'd have to lay out to sign a top ten pick.

I'd top the maximum amount for first pick in the draft to $25M contract w/increase thereafter in each succeeding draft tied to inflation. #2 selection gets $600,000 less and so on down the draft with the 32nd pick getting around $7M. A SB can't exceed 20% but realistic incentive/production bonuses should be expected/allowed. In the 2nd round there'd be less difference (maybe $300,000) and same for each succeeding round but again rookie minimum would remain where it's currently at.

If the owners change the rules to make those salaries less outrageous, then those players who want to play in the NFL can accept it or sign with the CFL, Arena League or that new league that's just starting up.

This opens up a new ballgame cause it would allow teams to keep a lot of their players, play backups more, and not have to get rid of older players because cap hit won't be nearly as bad. The cap itself won't change cause the owners would still have to pay out monies to their great players but there'd also be more money available for needed backups, etc.

This plan or something similar makes economic sense cause paying $24M to an unproven rookies makes absolutely no sense at all. I'd also change that ridiculous rule that only 47? players can be active on game day and up it to 50 so up to 3 players would be inactive.

I'd also reserve 2 slots on the PS where teams could stash two players who need development but if sent thru waivers would must likely be claimed by other teams. These 2 players must still meet PS criteria; these 2 players should also receive rookie minimum which same as those on on the roster--unlike remaining 6 PS players who must go thru waives before being signed for $70,000 minimum. I just don't think that if a team smart enough to draft a player with talent or sign an undrafted player with talent that they should be penalized by risking losing him to another team who didn't do bunkus.
 

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sago1;1576507 said:
I think the NFL needs to examine more closely the huge amount of salary cap they tied up in unproven rookies, particularly those going high in the first round. I don't think the top 2 or 3 teams got the trade offers they were seeking because of the number of draft picks they wanted in return and also because teams were concerned about how much money they'd have to lay out to sign a top ten pick.

I'd top the maximum amount for first pick in the draft to $25M contract w/increase thereafter in each succeeding draft tied to inflation. #2 selection gets $600,000 less and so on down the draft with the 32nd pick getting around $7M. A SB can't exceed 20% but realistic incentive/production bonuses should be expected/allowed. In the 2nd round there'd be less difference (maybe $300,000) and same for each succeeding round but again rookie minimum would remain where it's currently at.

If the owners change the rules to make those salaries less outrageous, then those players who want to play in the NFL can accept it or sign with the CFL, Arena League or that new league that's just starting up.

This opens up a new ballgame cause it would allow teams to keep a lot of their players, play backups more, and not have to get rid of older players because cap hit won't be nearly as bad. The cap itself won't change cause the owners would still have to pay out monies to their great players but there'd also be more money available for needed backups, etc.

This plan or something similar makes economic sense cause paying $24M to an unproven rookies makes absolutely no sense at all. I'd also change that ridiculous rule that only 47? players can be active on game day and up it to 50 so up to 3 players would be inactive.

I'd also reserve 2 slots on the PS where teams could stash two players who need development but if sent thru waivers would must likely be claimed by other teams. These 2 players must still meet PS criteria; these 2 players should also receive rookie minimum which same as those on on the roster--unlike remaining 6 PS players who must go thru waives before being signed for $70,000 minimum. I just don't think that if a team smart enough to draft a player with talent or sign an undrafted player with talent that they should be penalized by risking losing him to another team who didn't do bunkus.

The NFL absolutely needs to get a handle on the money paid to high draftees. It is just ridiculous.
 

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BaybeeJay;1576349 said:
And this is why you will never run a football organization. You always worry about economics of any transaction. This determines the positive or negative value of said transaction. I wouldn't pay $30 million guaranteed for anyone coming out next year, its just too much of a burden on the cap.

sorry to say it but the days of worrying about the cap look to be over. 30 million in guarantees is going to be a bargain in 5 years.
 

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jackrussell;1576426 said:
Have you even remotely considered it may be the 'selectors' rather than the 'selectees' that are the problem?
But most in the top 5 are consensus picks anyway. Very few surprises, usually.
 

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Another thing to think about is the fact that not many teams are going to want to trade that high up because of rising prices. Not only do you have to give up a king's ransom in picks and talent to move up but now you are going to have to pay the player a record amount.....good luck finding someone to take that on.

Whoever gets the #1 pick may just be stuck.
 

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Thehoofbite;1576515 said:
sorry to say it but the days of worrying about the cap look to be over. 30 million in guarantees is going to be a bargain in 5 years.

Naw, not a bargain, but we will see it. I bet Ware gets something close to 30 mill guaranteed, so long as he keeps up his play.
 
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