What's Romo's value?

DallasEast;2715084 said:
A 1st, a 4th/5th and a player.No. No. Cutler was a former first-round selection. Romo went undrafted. In my opinion, teams take into consideration where a player was originally drafted along with whatever success and/or skills they may have achieved or demonstrated during their career. Even though Romo has enjoyed more career success than Cutler at this point, I don't believe that he would garner the same trade terms for this reason outside of the added consideration which a franchise tag would demand.

Your absolutley right. We might get a 1st for him but more likely a 2nd.

Teams draft and trade players for potential. Cutler had more potential coming out and still does. Thats why the price was high.
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2715090 said:
Your absolutley right. We might get a 1st for him but more likely a 2nd.
If you believe that Romo will be traded for less than a first, you really need to stop inhaling.

Regardless of anyone's opinion, Romo's a $60+ million dollar quarterback. No pick = $$$, but no intelligent GM will even consider approaching another team with a trade proposal without first making the highest overture imaginable in retrospect to the player's contract.

:madden:
McCordsville Cowboy;2715090 said:
Teams draft and trade players for potential. Cutler had more potential coming out and still does. Thats why the price was high.
If you believe that potential weighs that heavily in trades, especially those dealing with quarterbacks, you haven't been watching many trade transactions closely enough.
 
DallasEast;2715109 said:
If you believe that potential weighs that heavily in trades, especially those dealing with quarterbacks, you haven't been watching many trade transactions closely enough.

So if Cutler was 28, the Bears would have only given up one first rounder? Or are you referencing Cassell?
 
I know Romo's worth more than 1 measly little 2nd rounder....

Sorry bout that Jason Campbell :D
 
DallasEast;2715084 said:
A 1st, a 4th/5th and a player.No. No. Cutler was a former first-round selection. Romo went undrafted. In my opinion, teams take into consideration where a player was originally drafted along with whatever success and/or skills they may have achieved or demonstrated during their career. Even though Romo has enjoyed more career success than Cutler at this point, I don't believe that he would garner the same trade terms for this reason outside of the added consideration which a franchise tag would demand.
Is this a joke?
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2715090 said:
Your absolutley right. We might get a 1st for him but more likely a 2nd.

Teams draft and trade players for potential. Cutler had more potential coming out and still does. Thats why the price was high.
Wow.

By the way, Sean Payton wanted to give us a 3rd before he'd ever even played a game.

Now he's played and proven he's a top 5 QB in the league.

Also, when Romo was the same age Culter was last season he put up a 95 QB rating, whereas Cutler put up an 86 QB rating. Cutler isn't in the same category of QB as Romo.
 
SLATEmosphere;2714349 said:
Cutler was had for two firsts and a third at 25 years old that hasn't even gone to the playoffs yet.

What do you think Romo's value is if he is on the market right now? This is just for fun. Would he warrant the same value as Cutler? more? Explain why.

Although I believe Romo is for real, I think much of league is in the wait and see mode...to see how he does without TO. He's pushing 30 and has never won a playoff game while having a strong team aropund him--so I understand why many would say the jury is still out.

I would not trade him for Cutler right now, but my guess is that he would command less on the open market.
 
theogt;2715158 said:
Wow.

By the way, Sean Payton wanted to give us a 3rd before he'd ever even played a game.

Now he's played and proven he's a top 5 QB in the league.

Also, when Romo was the same age Culter was last season he put up a 95 QB rating, whereas Cutler put up an 86 QB rating.

How does a top 5 QB not lead his team to the playoffs? I understand his finger had a lot to do with it but shouldn't a QB of that stature adapt and overcome?

I remember how Bill wouldnt trade Romo for a 3rd and how Payton 'settled' for Brees. Point taken.
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2715168 said:
How does a top 5 QB not lead his team to the playoffs? I understand his finger had a lot to do with it but shouldn't a QB of that stature adapt and overcome?
You do realize that the QB is just one of 22 starters, don't you? And why on earth should a top 5 QB be able to overcome multiple injuries (while continuing to get pummeled every snap due to poor O-line play) along with the poor play of the rest of his team?

But he almost did it. He basically willed us to win that 2nd Giants game.

I remember how Bill wouldnt trade Romo for a 3rd and how Payton 'settled' for Brees. Point taken.
I assume you're implying that Payton is a much better QB than Romo. How'd Payton do in the playoffs?

How'd your boy Quinn do with his injury? Lead the Browns to the playoffs did he?
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2715090 said:
Your absolutley right. We might get a 1st for him but more likely a 2nd.

Teams draft and trade players for potential. Cutler had more potential coming out and still does. Thats why the price was high.

That's ludicrous.
I say he commands a high 1st plus a starter or maybe a high 1st and a high 2nd at the least.

I do think he gets slightly less than Cutler due to age and upside.
 
theogt;2715181 said:
I assume you're implying that Payton is a much better QB than Romo. How'd Payton do in the playoffs?

How'd your boy Quinn do with his injury? Lead the Browns to the playoffs did he?

I was talking about Sean Payton settling for Drew Brees once he couldn't land Romo. Maybe you misunderstood. And if you are comparing Manning to Romo, (which you might not be) lets be serious.

If Manning had TO, Roy and Witten to throw the ball to, it would be unreal. Manning wouldn't underthrow TO and he would hit his guys in stride. Even with a porous line like we have, he would get the ball out sooner and avoid the sack. Not even to include his leadership skills which Romo clearly knows nothing about.

And Brady will hopefully have a chance to compete this year and show everyone that passed on him , that they chose unwisely. I think he is legit and with some PT he will win. IMO of course.
 
DFWJC;2715186 said:
That's ludicrous.
I say he commands a high 1st plus a starter or maybe a high 1st and a high 2nd at the least.

I do think he gets slightly less than Cutler due to age and upside.

Agree with you on that.
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2715190 said:
I was talking about Sean Payton settling for Drew Brees once he couldn't land Romo. Maybe you misunderstood. And if you are comparing Manning to Romo, (which you might not be) lets be serious.

If Manning had TO, Roy and Witten to throw the ball to, it would be unreal. Manning wouldn't underthrow TO and he would hit his guys in stride. Even with a porous line like we have, he would get the ball out sooner and avoid the sack. Not even to include his leadership skills which Romo clearly knows nothing about.

And Brady will hopefully have a chance to compete this year and show everyone that passed on him , that they chose unwisely. I think he is legit and with some PT he will win. IMO of course.
I wasn't comparing Manning to Romo (even though they have the exact same career QB rating), but Manning hasn't had a bunch of scrubs to throw to his entire career either. I'd say he's been throwing to at least one possible HOF receiver and another that's top 5 in the league right now.

Funny, Manning might disagree with you regarding the O-line, since that's often his first excuse after a playoff loss.
 
theogt;2715200 said:
I wasn't comparing Manning to Romo (even though they have the exact same career QB rating), but Manning hasn't had a bunch of scrubs to throw to his entire career either. I'd say he's been throwing to at least one possible HOF receiver and another that's top 5 in the league right now.
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Yep. Taking any five year average during his career, Manning quite possibly has had the best receiver group of any quarterback in the league.
 
Romo wouldn't have as high of a trade value as Cutler for the simple fact that Cutler will, supposedly, have more prime years available to offer teams than Romo has. Cutler is only 25 and Romo is 28. Three years difference is huge when you are looking for a franchise QB.

Plus, you will also have to consider that Romo basically said that he doesn't see himself playing late into his life years like most QB's do. So what should teams, including Dallas, expect to get from him? Another 5 years maybe? And how many of those are prime years? How much value do you get for the amount that will be invested? Can he be a leader? Has he already reached his performance peak? Are his questionable on-the-field characteristics fixable or is that the best he can do? Those are questions that GM's will ask and take into consideration.

I would say a fair expected trade value for Romo as of today would be two 1st round picks. I really cannot see teams going much higher than that unless they were desperate. Sure he is talented, He just has too many question marks at this time, and time is not on his side.
 
ctrous25;2714990 said:
Id take Brandon Marshall over T.O

I would to. Although this year I can't really say due to a pending possible suspension.
 
JonJon;2715216 said:
Romo wouldn't have as high of a trade value as Cutler for the simple fact that Cutler will, supposedly, have more prime years available to offer teams than Romo has. Cutler is only 25 and Romo is 28. Three years difference is huge when you are looking for a franchise QB.

This is of course the biggest issue. Cutler has 3 seasons under his belt at an age when Romo hadn't yet thrown an NFL pass. Another point is Cutler's favor is the fumbles: 5 last year in 16 games, vs. Romo's 13 in 13 games. Romo really needs to get that under control.

Anyway, I could see Romo being worth, say, a 1st and a 3rd. Maybe the other team's mediocre QB, too. Basically the same as the Cutler deal minus the 2nd 1st-rounder.
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2715132 said:
So if Cutler was 28, the Bears would have only given up one first rounder?
If the circumstances for both teams were exactly the same as they are at Cutler's present age, nope.
McCordsville Cowboy;2715132 said:
Or are you referencing Cassell?
Nope.
theogt;2715155 said:
Is this a joke?
Nope.
 
JonJon;2715216 said:
Romo wouldn't have as high of a trade value as Cutler for the simple fact that Cutler will, supposedly, have more prime years available to offer teams than Romo has. Cutler is only 25 and Romo is 28. Three years difference is huge when you are looking for a franchise QB.

Plus, you will also have to consider that Romo basically said that he doesn't see himself playing late into his life years like most QB's do. So what should teams, including Dallas, expect to get from him? Another 5 years maybe? And how many of those are prime years? How much value do you get for the amount that will be invested? Can he be a leader? Has he already reached his performance peak? Are his questionable on-the-field characteristics fixable or is that the best he can do? Those are questions that GM's will ask and take into consideration.

I would say a fair expected trade value for Romo as of today would be two 1st round picks. I really cannot see teams going much higher than that unless they were desperate. Sure he is talented, He just has too many question marks at this time, and time is not on his side.
I think most GMs would take 3 years of Romo over 6 years of Cutler.
 
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