What's Romo's value?

[twentytwo]

Probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder as of today.

 

[Beast_from_East]

My problem is, I tell the truth. We should all try it once or twice, even behind a computer monitor it's okay to see things the way they really are.

Until Romo proves he can do it without a certain someone, he's an average joe. Did he do some amazing things, yes. All QBs have their moments. But the Quarterbacks who stand out are the one's who take care of business when all is on the line, the rest are pretenders and so far, that's all Romo is.

See, this is where you are proven to be wrong Judas or Clove or whatever the hell you are calling yourself nowdays.

According to you, a QB that doesnt take care of business when all is on the line is a pretender and since Romo hasnt won a playoff game he is a pretender.

You have accordingly assigned a value of a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Romo. However, Jay Cutler was just traded for a pair of #1s, a 3rd, and a QB with starting experience in kyle Orton.

Jay Cutler has done less than Romo has. Cutler has never even been to the playoffs, never. As far as playing your best ball when all is one the line, all Denver had to do was win one of its last 3 games to win the AFC West and they lost all of them (including a loss to the Bills in Mile High).

So Cutler has never been to the playoffs and when his team needed just 1 more win to clinch the AFC West, Cutler lost all 3 games to close out the season.

Under your definition, Cutler is a pretender because he did not step up when all the chips were on the table. However, this pretender was just traded for a pair of #1s and then some.........thats his market value.

So how can Cutler's market value be so high and your value you assign Romo is so low, when Romo has actually lead his team to the playoffs and Cutler has not???

The only logical conclusion is either Cutler's market value is wrong (since up to 10 teams were competing for Cutler, hard to argu market value was wrong) or the market value you are assigning to Romo is wrong (which the evidence cleary shows is the case).

 

[Clove]

See, this is where you are proven to be wrong Judas or Clove or whatever the hell you are calling yourself nowdays.

According to you, a QB that doesnt take care of business when all is on the line is a pretender and since Romo hasnt won a playoff game he is a pretender.

You have accordingly assigned a value of a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Romo. However, Jay Cutler was just traded for a pair of #1s, a 3rd, and a QB with starting experience in kyle Orton.

Jay Cutler has done less than Romo has. Cutler has never even been to the playoffs, never. As far as playing your best ball when all is one the line, all Denver had to do was win one of its last 3 games to win the AFC West and they lost all of them (including a loss to the Bills in Mile High).

So Cutler has never been to the playoffs and when his team needed just 1 more win to clinch the AFC West, Cutler lost all 3 games to close out the season.

Under your definition, Cutler is a pretender because he did not step up when all the chips were on the table. However, this pretender was just traded for a pair of #1s and then some.........thats his market value.

So how can Cutler's market value be so high and your value you assign Romo is so low, when Romo has actually lead his team to the playoffs and Cutler has not???

The only logical conclusion is either Cutler's market value is wrong (since up to 10 teams were competing for Cutler, hard to argu market value was wrong) or the market value you are assigning to Romo is wrong (which the evidence cleary shows is the case).

One word for you. "upside" Cutler has it, Romo on borrowed time and talent.

He's quick, decent arm, but he can be contained in the pocket, and he will be forced to make throws he really isn't good at. Plus he gets confused on heavy pressure, these are things that Cutler has upside with. Our best bet is to try to get Romo's numbers up as high as they can, hopefully he makes the pro bowl, then his trade value will be a 1st rounder. We'll need 2 of those at minimum to move up and draft a future star QB next off season.

 

[Beast_from_East]

One word for you. "upside" Cutler has it, Romo on borrowed time and talent.

He's quick, decent arm, but he can be contained in the pocket, and he will be forced to make throws he really isn't good at. Plus he gets confused on heavy pressure, these are things that Cutler has upside with. Our best bet is to try to get Romo's numbers up as high as they can, hopefully he makes the pro bowl, then his trade value will be a 1st rounder. We'll need 2 of those at minimum to move up and draft a future star QB next off season.

Well lets compare the two QBs on their career #s:

Cutler:
37 starts, 62.5 comp %, 9024 yards, 54 TDs, 87.1 rating

Romo:
39 starts, 63.6 comp %, 10,562 yds, 81 TDs, 94.7 rating


With almost the same # of starts under their belt, Romo has a higher completion percentage, more yards passing, way more TD passes, and a much higher QB rating. So to say that Cutler has so much more upside than Romo is based on jack, because the numbers do not support this theory.


Sorry to rain on your agenda with facts, but the numbers dont lie. Clearly your opinion of Romo is based on your own subjective bias towards him and is not based on any actual numbers.

If I am wrong, prove it. Show me some number (be it QB rating, passing yards, completion percentage, yards per game, TD passes, playoff apperances, ect.....)

Show me something this is objective that proves that Cutler has more upside than Romo and is the better QB and that is what you are basing your opinion on. Because, without any numbers it just looks like you have a personal grudge against the guy.

 

[Clove]

Well lets compare the two QBs on their career #s:

Cutler:
37 starts, 62.5 comp %, 9024 yards, 54 TDs, 87.1 rating

Romo:
39 starts, 63.6 comp %, 10,562 yds, 81 TDs, 94.7 rating


With almost the same # of starts under their belt, Romo has a higher completion percentage, more yards passing, way more TD passes, and a much higher QB rating. So to say that Cutler has so much more upside than Romo is based on jack, because the numbers do not support this theory.


Sorry to rain on your agenda with facts, but the numbers dont lie. Clearly your opinion of Romo is based on your own subjective bias towards him and is not based on any actual numbers.

If I am wrong, prove it. Show me some number (be it QB rating, passing yards, completion percentage, yards per game, TD passes, playoff apperances, ect.....)

Show me something this is objective that proves that Cutler has more upside than Romo and is the better QB and that is what you are basing your opinion on. Because, without any numbers it just looks like you have a personal grudge against the guy.

I wonder what the stats would've looked like if Cutler had the type of HOF receiver that Romo was afforded, including the best TE, Barber etc? INcluding a head coach that's out of touch.

When we see that, then those stats will mean something to me. For now, Cutler has a world of upside, and has a bigger chance of doing greater things.

 

[AKATheRake]

he's not for sale there for he has no value there for this is not fun there for end of thread/

jokes.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I wonder what the stats would've looked like if Cutler had the type of HOF receiver that Romo was afforded, including the best TE, Barber etc? INcluding a head coach that's out of touch.

When we see that, then those stats will mean something to me. For now, Cutler has a world of upside, and has a bigger chance of doing greater things.

As I thought, you could not produce any numbers at all to back up your position.

Its clear you are not interested in having a rational debate based on objective, measurable criteria in which to judge player performance. All you are providing is your opionion that Cutler has more upside and when I asked you to provide any numbers at all that could back up that argument........you responed again with opinions.

 

[THUMPER]

Cutler was had for two firsts and a third at 25 years old that hasn't even gone to the playoffs yet.

What do you think Romo's value is if he is on the market right now? This is just for fun. Would he warrant the same value as Cutler? more? Explain why.

The Bears paid WAY too much for Cutler. A 1st and Orton in exchange for Cutler and their 5th would have been equitable IMO. Cutler isn't all that folks. The harsh criticism of Romo obviously doesn't extend to QBs of other teams because if it did Cutler would be thought of as a slightly above average QB.

Cutler has talent but he is not, nor is he ever likely to be considered, an elite QB. Romo is a special player who can make things happen and contrary to the tweaked perception of some, he does good things far more often than he does something wrong.

 

[THUMPER]

As I thought, you could not produce any numbers at all to back up your position.

Its clear you are not interested in having a rational debate based on objective, measurable criteria in which to judge player performance. All you are providing is your opionion that Cutler has more upside and when I asked you to provide any numbers at all that could back up that argument........you responed again with opinions.

People don't want facts! Their OPINION is all that matters and if the facts get in the way then disregard them.

 

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[Clove]

As I thought, you could not produce any numbers at all to back up your position.

Its clear you are not interested in having a rational debate based on objective, measurable criteria in which to judge player performance. All you are providing is your opionion that Cutler has more upside and when I asked you to provide any numbers at all that could back up that argument........you responed again with opinions.

Here's a fact. Did Cutler play with Owens? NO! Owens and Witten are both better than all of Denver's receivers combined over the last 10 years.

So if you want to have a rational debate over numbers, then make the playing field equal. Until then, your numbers are empty boss man. BTW, I think Romo's numbers are better than Roethlisburger over the past few seasons, but guess who won 2 super bowls?

Keep the numbers, I deal in reality.

 

[ctrous25]

Here's a fact. Did Cutler play with Owens? NO! Owens and Witten are both better than all of Denver's receivers combined over the last 10 years.

So if you want to have a rational debate over numbers, then make the playing field equal. Until then, your numbers are empty boss man. BTW, I think Romo's numbers are better than Roethlisburger over the past few seasons, but guess who won 2 super bowls?

Keep the numbers, I deal in reality.

Id take Brandon Marshall over T.O

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

according to this site, its probably a future 7 and a bucket of fried chicken.

Thats too much.

 

[arik1]

I'll tell you this..let Romo have a garbage season this year and he's done...he's on borrowed time right now, no more excuses....I can't believe how many people here on this board are on his jock especially after that Philly game...how can you guys give him so much respect after he basically tells you, on more than one occasion, that the game isn't that serious to him???

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I'll tell you this..let Romo have a garbage season this year and he's done...he's on borrowed time right now, no more excuses....I can't believe how many people here on this board are on his jock especially after that Philly game...how can you guys give him so much respect after he basically tells you, on more than one occasion, that the game isn't that serious to him???

Homers unite and defend.

 

[goshan]

I like Romo, but given age and the NFL's facination with arm strength, I think Cutler brings more.
I think Romo would probably pull a 1st and a 2nd. And potentially another player.

 

[SkinsFan28]

What's Romo's value?

About 1.33 picks (per game)
I kid, I kid

 

[theebs]

About 1.33 picks (per game)
I kid, I kid

lol, skins fans making jokes about our qb.

lol.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think that sets the bar, probably, and so you'd be looking at 2 #1's and a starting caliber player as the starting point.

 

[DallasEast]

Cutler was had for two firsts and a third at 25 years old that hasn't even gone to the playoffs yet.

What do you think Romo's value is if he is on the market right now?

A 1st, a 4th/5th and a player.

This is just for fun. Would he warrant the same value as Cutler?

No.

more?

No.

Explain why.

Cutler was a former first-round selection. Romo went undrafted. In my opinion, teams take into consideration where a player was originally drafted along with whatever success and/or skills they may have achieved or demonstrated during their career. Even though Romo has enjoyed more career success than Cutler at this point, I don't believe that he would garner the same trade terms for this reason outside of the added consideration which a franchise tag would demand.