What's Romo's value?

[JonJon]

I think most GMs would take 3 years of Romo over 6 years of Cutler.

I honestly can't say that I would, but I'm no GM.

 

[theogt]

I honestly can't say that I would, but I'm no GM.

Cutler's production is about league average, so you could likely replace it in those last 3 years. Romo's production would be very hard to replace. He also has the ability to win a game virtually on his own ability -- something Cutler isn't able to do.

Seriously, these two aren't in the same category.

 

[JonJon]

Cutler's production is about league average, so you could likely replace it in those last 3 years. Romo's production would be very hard to replace. He also has the ability to win a game virtually on his own ability -- something Cutler isn't able to do.

Seriously, these two aren't in the same category.

It's not the production that makes me question Romo. I question his ability to win in high-pressure situations. From what I have seen, he is not cut out for the role. In addition, he has serious turnover issues that need to be addressed. If the Cowboys are behind in am important game that is close and Romo drops back to pass, I get really, really nervous. I just don't have the confidence in him that he will pull out the victory as of right now. At any moment, he could fumble or throw a game-ending interception. if it's Troy Aikman, I know he will find a way to win.

I will give Romo credit in that he has won a few games for us, but he seems to dissapoint in important games.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Here's a fact. Did Cutler play with Owens? NO! Owens and Witten are both better than all of Denver's receivers combined over the last 10 years.

So if you want to have a rational debate over numbers, then make the playing field equal. Until then, your numbers are empty boss man. BTW, I think Romo's numbers are better than Roethlisburger over the past few seasons, but guess who won 2 super bowls?

Keep the numbers, I deal in reality.

WOW!!!

So there is noway to compare QBs unless they have the same players around them. We can never compare another QB with Romo unless that QB has Witten and TO as receivers.


No offense, but that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Under your logic, there would be no way to compare any QBs in the entire NFL because each team has different personnel.


Why do you think they came up with the QB rating??

Why do you think they use completion percentage??

Why do you think they use TD to INT ratio??


These are all used so QBs ON DIFFERENT TEAMS CAN BE COMPARED!!!!!



Jeez whiz Judas, do you think none of the NFL teams use these stats to compare their QBs and to use this to determine value in contract extensions???


You are right, I will keep my numbers and let you deal in the reality you want because it is certainly not the realiy of how the NFL actually operates.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'll tell you this..let Romo have a garbage season this year and he's done...he's on borrowed time right now, no more excuses....I can't believe how many people here on this board are on his jock especially after that Philly game...how can you guys give him so much respect after he basically tells you, on more than one occasion, that the game isn't that serious to him???

No offense, but I am so glad that you dont make any decisions regarding the QB position.

Romo is one of the top QB in the entire NFL, freaking Cutler was just traded for a king's ransom and he has never even been to the playoffs and with almost the same number of starts, Romo's numbers are better across the board.

Romo has a higher completion percentage, more yards passing, higher QB rating, and way more TD passes then Cutler with almost the same number of starts.

You dont toss a QB like that to the curb, that would be just dumb. According to Mickey, 40% of the teams in the league tried to trade for Cutler and his numbers are lower in almost every statistical category compared with Romo.

How many teams you think would line up if you wanted to ditch Romo, maybe 50%, 60%, 70% ????


Romo is going nowhere regardless of how this season turns out. If we suck this year, it will be a new coaching staff in 2010, not a new starting QB.

 

[theogt]

I question his ability to win in high-pressure situations.

I have no idea why -- in every "high-pressure" situational breakdown, his stats are very good.

I've lost count how many times we've been down late in the game and Romo has willed us to a win on his sheer talent. Unfortunately, he can't always will Patrick Crayton not to stop on a route or our defense not to give up an 80 yard touchdown -- twice.

Without Romo, we're last in the division. With Romo, we're Vegas favorites to get to the Super Bowl.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I have no idea why -- in every "high-pressure" situational breakdown, his stats are very good.

I've lost count how many times we've been down late in the game and Romo has willed us to a win on his sheer talent. Unfortunately, he can't always will Patrick Crayton not to stop on a route or our defense not to give up an 80 yard touchdown -- twice.

Without Romo, we're last in the division. With Romo, we're Vegas favorites to get to the Super Bowl.

Nicely put Sir.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Your absolutley right. We might get a 1st for him but more likely a 2nd.

Teams draft and trade players for potential. Cutler had more potential coming out and still does. Thats why the price was high.

I already debunked this idea of Cutler having more potential. I challenged Judas/Clove to provide any evidence of this and he couldnt.

I presented career stats in almost every statistical category and with almost the same number of career starts (Romo has 39 nad Cutler has 37), Romo's numbers are higher across the board.

We are talking about completion percentage, yards passing, QB rating, TD passes, ect.....Romo has also lead his team to a division title and a Wildcard berth in 2.5 seasons of starting. Cutler has never won jack, not even a freaking bowl game in college or even a playoff appearence in the pros.


So I challenge anybody on this board to prove the claim that Cutler has more upside using something other than your opionion. I have used statistical analysis and verifiable data to ojectively compare the two QBs and I have find nothing that supports the claim Cutler has more upside.


If I am wrong, prove it with numbers and not opinion.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I already debunked this idea of Cutler having more potential. I challenged Judas/Clove to provide any evidence of this and he couldnt.

I presented career stats in almost every statistical category and with almost the same number of career starts (Romo has 39 nad Cutler has 37), Romo's numbers are higher across the board.

We are talking about completion percentage, yards passing, QB rating, TD passes, ect.....Romo has also lead his team to a division title and a Wildcard berth in 2.5 seasons of starting. Cutler has never won jack, not even a freaking bowl game in college or even a playoff appearence in the pros.


So I challenge anybody on this board to prove the claim that Cutler has more upside using something other than your opionion. I have used statistical analysis and verifiable data to ojectively compare the two QBs and I have find nothing that supports the claim Cutler has more upside.


If I am wrong, prove it with numbers and not opinion.

I think another key point is Cutler's competition..He gets to play the Cheifs,Broncos,Chargers 6 times a year while the NFC East had all 4 teams in the top 10 defenses, So Romo's gotta play 6 games a year against those legit defenses.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think another key point is Cutler's competition..He gets to play the Cheifs,Broncos,Chargers 6 times a year while the NFC East had all 4 teams in the top 10 defenses, So Romo's gotta play 6 games a year against those legit defenses.

Excellent point!!!

Romo's numbers would be even more impressive playing against the sorry-arse AFC West twice a year.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

Here's a fact. Did Cutler play with Owens? NO! Owens and Witten are both better than all of Denver's receivers combined over the last 10 years.

So if you want to have a rational debate over numbers, then make the playing field equal. Until then, your numbers are empty boss man. BTW, I think Romo's numbers are better than Roethlisburger over the past few seasons, but guess who won 2 super bowls?

Keep the numbers, I deal in reality.

I'll bite. Denvers running game produced 4.8 yards per rush as compared to our 4.3..Dont ya think a more effective running game would have taken a bit more pressure off of Romo.

Not to mention that Romo was under constant pressure and running for his life once Kyle Kosier went down...

Lastly, the entire second half of the season Romo was battling a hand injury that obviously effected himto the point that he was throwing ducks more often then not and if you havent noticed, Romo generally throws a pretty crisp pass when hes on..

The fact of the matter is the guy basically put our franchise on his back and got us to the point that we are competenig year in and year out and we have a chance to win every game we are in..

Plus Cutler is a bit of a headcase

 

[gbrittain]

Here's a fact. Did Cutler play with Owens? NO! Owens and Witten are both better than all of Denver's receivers combined over the last 10 years.
So if you want to have a rational debate over numbers, then make the playing field equal. Until then, your numbers are empty boss man. BTW, I think Romo's numbers are better than Roethlisburger over the past few seasons, but guess who won 2 super bowls?

Keep the numbers, I deal in reality.

Last Year Owens and Witten:

150 catches for 2004 yards

Last Year Marshall and Royal:

195 catches for 2245 yards

Reality is our TE is the best in the league, but I would have taken Marshall and Royal over our WRs last year any day of the week.

The only thing I like about Cutler more so than Romo is the age. I wish Romo was about five years younger.

BTW I think Romo's numbers are better than Cutler's over the past few seasons, but Romo has also led his team to the playoffs twice.

 

[Clove]

I already debunked this idea of Cutler having more potential. I challenged Judas/Clove to provide any evidence of this and he couldnt.

I presented career stats in almost every statistical category and with almost the same number of career starts (Romo has 39 nad Cutler has 37), Romo's numbers are higher across the board.

We are talking about completion percentage, yards passing, QB rating, TD passes, ect.....Romo has also lead his team to a division title and a Wildcard berth in 2.5 seasons of starting. Cutler has never won jack, not even a freaking bowl game in college or even a playoff appearence in the pros.


So I challenge anybody on this board to prove the claim that Cutler has more upside using something other than your opionion. I have used statistical analysis and verifiable data to ojectively compare the two QBs and I have find nothing that supports the claim Cutler has more upside.


If I am wrong, prove it with numbers and not opinion.

If you have a corvette and I have a kia, who do you think will win a car race? I don't care about your stats, or Adams stats, or anyone else in the world's stats.

The bottom line is, Cutler has a bigger arm, he's smarter, way more upside with less talent.

This year we will go around 5-11, Chicago will be in the play-offs competing for the SB. There is your difference.

 

[Clove]

I have no idea why -- in every "high-pressure" situational breakdown, his stats are very good.

I've lost count how many times we've been down late in the game and Romo has willed us to a win on his sheer talent. Unfortunately, he can't always will Patrick Crayton not to stop on a route or our defense not to give up an 80 yard touchdown -- twice.

Without Romo, we're last in the division. With Romo, we're Vegas favorites to get to the Super Bowl.

Where was he when we needed to get that Pittusburgh win? Where was he when we were in the play offs a couple of years ago and the year before.

He should try showing up in meaningful games. Anyone can beat up on the Detroits of the world all year long.

 

[Clove]

No offense, but I am so glad that you dont make any decisions regarding the QB position.

Romo is one of the top QB in the entire NFL, freaking Cutler was just traded for a king's ransom and he has never even been to the playoffs and with almost the same number of starts, Romo's numbers are better across the board.

Romo has a higher completion percentage, more yards passing, higher QB rating, and way more TD passes then Cutler with almost the same number of starts.

You dont toss a QB like that to the curb, that would be just dumb. According to Mickey, 40% of the teams in the league tried to trade for Cutler and his numbers are lower in almost every statistical category compared with Romo.

How many teams you think would line up if you wanted to ditch Romo, maybe 50%, 60%, 70% ????


Romo is going nowhere regardless of how this season turns out. If we suck this year, it will be a new coaching staff in 2010, not a new starting QB.

Their are a lot of stupid teams out there who would line up, because they are high-light watchers just like most of you on this board. They go to ESPN, and watch the glamorous best plays and automatically think Romo is a great QB.

I have news for you all out there. Romo wasn't drafted because he's a kroger-brand Bret Favre. And btw, I didn't think Favre was that great but he had a great coach to get everything out of him that the coach could get.

After that coach was gone, Favre's been nothing more than an ESPN highlight package, with empty stats that all the brains of the board like to throw out.

Cutler has a ton of highlights, and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that Cutler will win a SB in his life time and Romo will not. I'm willing to wear a dress for a day, this is how confident I am.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Their are a lot of stupid teams out there who would line up, because they are high-light watchers just like most of you on this board. They go to ESPN, and watch the glamorous best plays and automatically think Romo is a great QB.

I have news for you all out there. Romo wasn't drafted because he's kroger-brand Bret Favre. And btw, I don't think Favre was that great but he had a great coach to get everything out of him that the coach could get.

After that coach was gone, Favre's been nothing more than an ESPN high-light package, with empty stats that all the brains of the board like to throw out.

Cutler has a ton of High Lights, and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that Cutler will win a SB in his life time and Romo will not. I'm willing to wear a dress for a day, this is how confident I am.

Your pathetic..there's fans who speak the truth..then there's fans like you. You can go root for another team if you'd like. You won't be missed.

 

[Clove]

WOW!!!

So there is noway to compare QBs unless they have the same players around them. We can never compare another QB with Romo unless that QB has Witten and TO as receivers.


No offense, but that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Under your logic, there would be no way to compare any QBs in the entire NFL because each team has different personnel.


Why do you think they came up with the QB rating??

Why do you think they use completion percentage??

Why do you think they use TD to INT ratio??


These are all used so QBs ON DIFFERENT TEAMS CAN BE COMPARED!!!!!



Jeez whiz Judas, do you think none of the NFL teams use these stats to compare their QBs and to use this to determine value in contract extensions???


You are right, I will keep my numbers and let you deal in the reality you want because it is certainly not the realiy of how the NFL actually operates.

I won't argue with you because it's useless arguing with someone who will never see it your way until it's proven in the future that Romo is not the right QB for this team.

But I will say that Romo is Garcia. After Owens left Garcia, he's been a career stepping stone.

 

[Clove]

Id take Brandon Marshall over T.O

That's why you're behind a computer.

 

[Clove]

lol, skins fans making jokes about our qb.

lol.

Except he's right. Being right around here means being unpopular.

 

[Q_the_man]

Cutler is younger, bigger arm and people forget that Romo sat on the bench for about 3 years, then he had TO, Glenn, Barber, Witten..... Now I think Romo is better than Cutler, but Cutler has more upside, made Royal a dominant 2nd round rookie WR. to answer the ? I think we could get maybe 2 1st but more like a 1st and 3rd.

This year we will actually see what Romo can do with no TO.