What's the Cowboys answer to the Eagles

[dmq]

Hey Phoenix,
At least your a likable philly fan. Oh man, now I'm gonna have to wash my mouth out w/ soap.

I really think the difference this year that makes us a much stronger team is our defense. After all, every time we lose to Philly, it seems like Mcnabb has all day to sit and wait for his options to open up. I just think he isn't going to have that time anymore. It is too early to tell, but if we can put some pressure on him, he will throw interceptions. BTW, I am betting you are really a Cowboys fan!!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well I hope we just bring it to the eagles and beat them....but if the last few years are any indication (except for Reids brain fart and Randall Williams one great NFL Play) then sadly I think this is what we may need to bring to the game...

 

[dargonking999]

Talon reall adn truly you may have better talent(maybe) you definatly have more proven players, but come on, as the old saying goes

thats why we(they) play the game.

Every year the Commanders always get this and that to be better than us and tey have lost every singel time, everytime they get close we shoot them down, if the game was played on paper then there would be no fun

 

[AtlCB]

Not looking for a fist fight! Just trying to compare starters, look at your version of our "A" team as it relates to yours. That said, ...

*Play-makers/pro-bowlers are depicted by "bold" print

QB -- McNabb, Detmer, McMahon

DeMarcus Ware, Greg Ellis, Glover, Roy Williams, and the switch to the 3-4 should be enough to frustrate McNabb into a few more mistakes.

RB -- Westbrook (he'll be there), Buckhaulter, Moats

Dat Nguyen and Bradie James should be the answer for Westbrook.

FB -- Parry, Ritchie, Tapeh

Ritchie has never been that much of a factor.

WR -- T.O., Pinkston, Reggie Brown, G. Lewis, McMullen

Henry was brought in to match up better with TO. Any safety in the remote area is enough to make Pinkston wet his pants and the rest are unproven.

TE -- LJ, Bartrum

Singleton or Burnett

OL -- Thomas, Runyan, Andrews, Hicks, Fraley, Sculio, Clarke, Darilek/Ephraim/Furio/Jackson

The move to the 3-4 should put more pressure on this group.

DE -- Kearse, Douglas, McDougle (once his wound heals)

Kearse will be doubled by Dan Campbell and whoever wins the RT job (probably Jacob Rogers). Adams can handle Douglas or McDougle.

DT -- Rayburn, Walker, Simon (perhaps), Thomas,

We have two of the best guards in the game now. I'm not concerned with your DT's.

LB -- Trotter, Sim, Jones, Adams, Labinjo

Having a good center and two of the best guards in the game will put a lot of pressure on the interior of your defense (including Trotter).

CB -- Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Wynn, Ware

S -- Lewis, Dawkins, Reed, Quientin

I think this all starts with our OL vs. your front seven. If our OL holds up, your secondary will be exposed.

K -- Akers

P -- Dirk

I'm really not sure why you bolded the kicker and the punter.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Only giving you the reason why I don't like the eagles which is why I not going to be a hypocrite and wish the eagles luck only luck I want to see the eagles have is all bad.

Look DD101, I've been on this MB since November 2004 -- you don't have to give me reasons why you don't like the Eagles! I already know! This isn't about how you feel about an opponent team (by the way, what team(s) do you like? ...if any? Any in our own division?)

I appreciate your honesty, only to frown upon your gall. I want the Cowboys to do well because they are in the NFC East! I'd feel better about beating a team that's highly competitve than one that mediocre.

When I wished your team luck, I meant it! Just not as much luck as the Eagles! That's as sincere as it gets.

Can you understand that the best team in the NFL is the team that loses to the Eagles from one week to the next! Whoever that me be -- to include your team! That's Not disrespectful, that's just being a dedicated fan. But I see that there's something beyond that level of fandom; perhaps a dark side that I don't want to have anything to do with!

Have an enjoyable season.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I agree with what many have said, that while Dallas may not be able to individually match the Eagles player for player, we are still talking about a team sport and the talent level is getting closer.

Remember that in the past 4 games, Dallas won one and should have won the second game last year. You can make excuses for that, but the fact remains that Dallas could easily have split with you guys in the past two years.

The difference has been McNabb. In the two games that Dallas won and was close, Dallas put a ton of pressure on McNabb. In the games that we did not harass him, the Eagles won going away.

I think our defensive scheme is one what will give McNabb more trouble, and I think the athleticism that we have gained with Ware, Burnett, Henry and some others will give us more guys on the field that can get after McNabb.

The other thing the Iggles have to worry about right now is dissension. There appears to be a lot of off field issues going around. While they might be able to get back to football once the season starts, it can't be a healthy atmosphere with holdouts, players getting shot, and star players arguing back and forth. I am sure that Westbrook will eventually show up, and Simon too, but the Eagle running game is very fragile. Westbrook, Buckhalter and Moats have all struggled with injuries. Having a legitimate threat in the run game makes McNabb that much better. Without that, there is much more pressure put on a passing game with only one legitimate threat.

I can concede that going into the season, there are legitimate reasons to call the Eagles favorites. And I really hope that our team flies under the radar early on. Because I think we are going to surprise some folks.

Good luck.

Your post makes sense. I hear your argument, and it's sound!

Likewise.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Im just wondering why andrews is immediately considered an upgrade or improvement ...That is one player im watching closely when the eagles start preseason games, to get an idea of how the line will perform.

I know the Eagles coaching staff has high hopes; some based on his performance (pre-injury) last year. I'll be watching him also.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

=cwbyfan72]I've had enough of this guy already

I know you've been here for some time -- I'll rub off on you!

We know some will contribute at a higher level, but we have no real knowledge of this

Ok, that's clear.

So, I say take your little lists, put them back in your "football" notebook, and have fun watching your team participate in camp. Thats what we're trying to do over hear.

Do you mean the entire CBZ or just the Cowboys franchise?

Have a good season

You too! Thanks.

 

[Reality]

I believe the major difference in the Cowboys and Eagles has been coaching. Jim Johnson seems to always get the best from his defensive players even when they're mediocre players. When the players leave his system and sign with another team, they become either average players or even worse. Players that disappointed on other teams that sign with the Eagles suddenly become all-pro like.

While we make fun of his weight and eating habits, Andy Reid is definitely one of the best and probably most under-rated coaches in the league. The guy has impressed me and when Parcells leaves the Cowboys, I'd have absolutely no problem if the Cowboys were able to hire Andy Reid at some point in the future.

I honestly don't believe the Eagles are that good without both of those two coaches. If you take Reid and Johnson away and put any other two coaches on the team outside of Parcells and Belichick, they'd be lucky to win the division.

I am not a McNabb fan for two reasons. He usually just throws the ball up for grabs and his receivers make him look good. There is no luckier quarterback in the league in my opinion than McNabb in this respect. Also, when a team finds a way to consistently pressure him, he chokes.

That's why, unless TO plays this season for the Eagles, I don't see the Eagles getting to the NFC championship game this season. The other teams have improved (not just NFC east, but the NFC contenders) and the Eagles maintained the status quo but added in a lot of cancer-like issues with the team such as Owens, Simon and Westbrook.

Just my opinion of course ..

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

bolded is the better player

QB- Mcnabb-- Bledsoe (not a huge diffrence in my mind, always thought Mcnabb overrated)
RB- Westbrook/Bhalter-- Julius/MB3 (again not a huge diffrence, westbrook no slouch)
WR- Owens me some money---Johnson
WR2- Pinkston--Glenn
WR3- Brown--Morgan
TE- LJ Smith--Witten
LT- Thomas--Adams
RT- Runyan--Rogers (for now )
LG- Andrews--Allen
RG- Hicks--Riveria
C- Fraley--Johnson (for now )

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Defensive line-- wash both have too many variables to be compared
LB- Cowboys great young playmakers eagles only have Trotter
Corners- Wash/eagles may have slight advantage but things are changing
Safeteys- Roy over Lewis after that its a wash

depth- cowboys

 

[The30YardSlant]

Not looking for a fist fight! Just trying to compare starters, look at your version of our "A" team as it relates to yours. That said, ...

*Play-makers/pro-bowlers are depicted by "bold" print

QB -- McNabb, Detmer, McMahon

RB -- Westbrook (he'll be there), Buckhaulter, Moats

FB -- Parry, Ritchie, Tapeh

WR -- T.O., Pinkston, Reggie Brown, G. Lewis, McMullen

TE -- LJ, Bartrum

OL -- Thomas, Runyan, Andrews, Hicks, Fraley, Sculio, Clarke, Darilek/Ephraim/Furio/Jackson

DE -- Kearse, Douglas, McDougle (once his wound heals)

DT -- Rayburn, Walker, Simon (perhaps), Thomas,

LB -- Trotter, Sim, Jones, Adams, Labinjo

CB -- Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Wynn, Ware

S -- Lewis, Dawkins, Reed, Quientin

K -- Akers

P -- Dirk

Get some ...

Oh wow, I guess those Green tinted glasses are selling like hotcakes in Philly.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

DeMarcus Ware, Greg Ellis, Glover, Roy Williams,
Dat Nguyen and Bradie James ...Henry was brought in to match up better with TO. Any safety in the remote area is enough to make

Pinkston wet his pants

(that's funny!)


You and one other poster have hit this post right on the head. It's the kind of information I was looking for in my original post! Good read -- good reply!

Thanks.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I believe the major difference in the Cowboys and Eagles has been coaching. Jim Johnson seems to always get the best from his defensive players even when they're mediocre players. When the players leave his system and sign with another team, they become either average players or even worse. Players that disappointed on other teams that sign with the Eagles suddenly become all-pro like.

That's a real valid point Reality! ...e.g., Trotter with the Commanders was a completely different player than with the Eagles.

While we make fun of his weight and eating habits, Andy Reid is definitely one of the best and probably most under-rated coaches in the league. The guy has impressed me and when Parcells leaves the Cowboys, I'd have absolutely no problem if the Cowboys were able to hire Andy Reid at some point in the future.

In that same thought, wouldn't it be something if Parcels then came to the Eagles and picked up where Reid would have left off!

I honestly don't believe the Eagles are that good without both of those two coaches. If you take Reid and Johnson away and put any other two coaches on the team outside of Parcells and Belichick, they'd be lucky to win the division.

Looks like Belichick will be put to the test this year. I intend to watch that closely.

I am not a McNabb fan for two reasons. He usually just throws the ball up for grabs and his receivers make him look good. There is no luckier quarterback in the league in my opinion than McNabb in this respect. Also, when a team finds a way to consistently pressure him, he chokes.

I appreciate what you're saying, but remember, this is year 7 in the NFL for McNabb -- and He's only 29 years old. I'm not so sure whether he has arrived at his prime yet in the NFL. But what is cewrtain is that what he lacks In accuracy, he compensates for in scrambling.

That's why, unless TO plays this season for the Eagles, I don't see the Eagles getting to the NFC championship game this season. The other teams have improved (not just NFC east, but the NFC contenders) and the Eagles maintained the status quo but added in a lot of cancer-like issues with the team such as Owens, Simon and Westbrook.

I am concerned about Westbrook ...

Just my opinion of course

Your opinion is valued as usual. Thanks.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

bolded is the better player

QB- Mcnabb-- Bledsoe (not a huge diffrence in my mind, always thought Mcnabb overrated)
RB- Westbrook/Bhalter-- Julius/MB3 (again not a huge diffrence, westbrook no slouch)
WR- Owens me some money---Johnson
WR2- Pinkston--Glenn
WR3- Brown--Morgan
TE- LJ Smith--Witten
LT- Thomas--Adams
RT- Runyan--Rogers (for now )
LG- Andrews--Allen
RG- Hicks--Riveria
C- Fraley--Johnson (for now )

Looks good, thanks.

 

[Dough Boy]

Not looking for a fist fight! Just trying to compare starters, look at your version of our "A" team as it relates to yours. That said, ...

*Play-makers/pro-bowlers are depicted by "bold" print

QB -- McNabb, Detmer, McMahon

RB -- Westbrook (he'll be there), Buckhaulter, Moats

FB -- Parry, Ritchie, Tapeh

WR -- T.O., Pinkston, Reggie Brown, G. Lewis, McMullen

TE -- LJ, Bartrum

OL -- Thomas, Runyan, Andrews, Hicks, Fraley, Sculio, Clarke, Darilek/Ephraim/Furio/Jackson

DE -- Kearse, Douglas, McDougle (once his wound heals)

DT -- Rayburn, Walker, Simon (perhaps), Thomas,

LB -- Trotter, Sim, Jones, Adams, Labinjo

CB -- Brown, Sheppard, Hood, Wynn, Ware

S -- Lewis, Dawkins, Reed, Quientin

K -- Akers

P -- Dirk

Get some ...

I'm not sure why Douglas is bolded. He hasn't played good ball in two years. In his prime he was a beast, now he's JAG.

Again, not sure why Ritchie is bolded. He is a good FB, but certainly not a playmaker. Also, wasn't he hurt the better part of last season.

LJ played well, but in order for him to make a Pro Bowl he has to outperform in no short order - Witten, Shockey, Crumpler. I don't see it.

Simon is good, but will he show up. Personally, I think Rayburn out played him last year.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Just want to applaud the majority of posters on this thread for keeping their wits about them and sticking to the topic. It is so easy to start throwing out insults and for the most part, that has not been done.

That is what I like about this board. In general, the folks that post here stick to football and the talk is a lot more cerebral than at the Ranch. By the same token, I like going over there to and getting in a good pissing match every once in a while.

Keep up the good work guys.

 

[Bizwah]

I agee with KMD24........I've never seen the point in comparing positions...QB vs QB, RB vs RB, etc....

The NFL is a game of matchups. How does our OL stack up vs their DL? How do our WRs matchup with their CBs?

But I do see how comparing positions can be fun....it can also tell us how far, or how close, we are the the Eagles talent-wise. I've always looked at the Eagles as a team where the sum is greater than the parts......Breaking down their roster, I'm not too impressed with the Eagles....they just know how to use their players.

Anyway, here goes....

McNabb vs Bledsoe.....edge Eagles (although Bledsoe is the best QB we've had in years)

Westbrook vs J. Jones.....edge Cowboys--Here is a prime example of the Eagles using their players well. Jones is going to be a better pro than Westbrook. But Westbrook is used remarkably well. Put him on any other roster, and he's a third-down back.

Ritchie vs Barnes.....edge Eagles (but Ritchie has never really hurt us)

Owens vs K Johnson.....edge Eagles

Pinkston vs Glenn.....edge Cowboys (I think as a unit, our WRs are better than the Eagles)

Smith vs Witten.....edge Cowboys

Thomas vs Adams.....edge push--Both are good players that never quite play to their potential.

Hicks vs Allen.....edge Cowboys

Fraley vs Johnson.....edge Eagles

Andrews vs Rivera.....edge Cowboys

Runyan vs Whomever.....edge Eagles

Defense

Eagles DL vs Cowboys DL.....edge Eagles--I say this because we have a new system and so many young players. This is one big reason why we're so excited. We have the potential to have a devestating, deep DL (Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Coleman, Spears, Canty, Carson, Ratliff)

Eagles LB vs Cowboys LB.....edge Eagles--Again, the same applies here. Right now, I give you all the edge because we're new and young. But again, the potential is scary (Ware, Burnett, James, Nguyen, Singleton, Thornton)

Eagles CBs vs Cowboys CBs.....edge Cowboys--The Eagles CBs are used well, but I think they are the weak spot in your defense. I think they can be exposed. I don't think they measure up, from a talent standpoint, to the ones on our roster.

Eagles S vs Cowboys S....edge Eagles--Yes, Cowboy fans will be in an uproar here, but it's true. Lewis isn't as good as Roy, but he's still very, very good. Dawkins is head and shoulders above anything else we can throw out on the field.

There you have it. As far as talent goes, I don't think we're too far behind. But it really doesn't matter does it? What matters is how we matchup to the Eagles......but that's for another thread......or maybe we can try it here.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Just want to applaud the majority of posters on this thread for keeping their wits about them and sticking to the topic. It is so easy to start throwing out insults and for the most part, that has not been done.

That is what I like about this board. In general, the folks that post here stick to football and the talk is a lot more cerebral than at the Ranch. By the same token, I like going over there to and getting in a good pissing match every once in a while.

Keep up the good work guys.

I'll admit, I like that characteristic in the CBZ (did I say that out loud?)

 

[AJM1613]

I believe the major difference in the Cowboys and Eagles has been coaching. Jim Johnson seems to always get the best from his defensive players even when they're mediocre players. When the players leave his system and sign with another team, they become either average players or even worse. Players that disappointed on other teams that sign with the Eagles suddenly become all-pro like.

Certain players play better in certain systems, it's up to the personnel department to find the right players for that team. This is no more true in Philadelphia than it is anywhere else.

I honestly don't believe the Eagles are that good without both of those two coaches. If you take Reid and Johnson away and put any other two coaches on the team outside of Parcells and Belichick, they'd be lucky to win the division.

New coaches would require new personnel. If an assistant was promoted (Brad Childress or Marty Mornhinweg on offense, Tommy Brasher or Trent Walters on defense), we would still win the division.

I am not a McNabb fan for two reasons. He usually just throws the ball up for grabs and his receivers make him look good. There is no luckier quarterback in the league in my opinion than McNabb in this respect.

That's a new one.

Also, when a team finds a way to consistently pressure him, he chokes.

Most quarterbacks do.

...and the Eagles maintained the status quo but added in a lot of cancer-like issues with the team such as Owens, Simon and Westbrook.

Owens is Owens, Simon definitely isn't a cancer (he's lazy and doesn't want to risk an injury on the last year of his contract), and Westbrook will be signed and in camp within the week. Only one of these issues is a potential problem, hopefully he will help more than hurt.