What's the minimum you'd take for Romo?

[xwalker]

That's what I said too. We're not getting a major pick. But we need the cap savings.

Either way, we're going to eat some serious dead money.

Dead-Money is irrelevant when there is a net gain in cap space from dumping his salary.

They gain 5M in cap space if Romo is traded or released.

 

[xwalker]

Romo should Retire.

Yes, right after the Cowboys get a draft pick for him.

 

[LandryFan]

He's a fine qb that I think many teams would love to have. I just personally don't think he will ever get you far in the playoffs unless maybe you have a defense that only gives up 10 points a game. Now that Dak is here, I have no problem with the Romo era being over and letting some other team be mesmerized by the numbers only to get their hopes crushed in December and January. If Bradford can fetch a 1st+, then surely Romo can bring something of decent value. His special consideration goes out the window with me based on how close the team may be to building a new dynasty and the help a nice pick he could fetch will bring to that end. Look around the league and no one is truely dominant. Brady won't play forever and if you build a strong D to go with our O, we will be in the hunt for a long long time.

OK, we simply disagree, and that's ok, but I just don't see how you can think you're going to get a premium draft pick (which is what I assume you mean when you say "a good pick") for a QB that you also think won't get you very far in the playoffs if you need to score more than 10 points. If he were to stay reasonably healthy and you were to put him on the Broncos, I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't feel like they had to hold their opponents to 10 points in order to win. My opinion is that he is a much better QB than you think he is. His big question mark is in his health, at this point.

 

[Cowboys22]

Dead-Money is irrelevant when there is a net gain in cap space from dumping his salary.

They gain 5M in cap space if Romo is traded or released.

Yes, and I'm saying for an extra $5 million, hold out for a desperate team losing their starter to injury. If one year of Sam Bradford can get you a 1st, several years of Romo should get you something similar.

 

[LandryFan]

I know they have a good relationship, but Romo isn't going to sit idly by and risk being traded to the Browns when he can see a clear path to being released and signed by a contender with a good defense. He will take any step necessary to keep that from happening.

In my previous post, I stated that JJ could ask him for a prioritized list of teams he would like to play for...never anywhere did I even insinuate that JJ would subject him to going to a team such as the Browns. I simply see that a scenario exists that could be win-win for both Tony and the Cowboys, and I think they respect one another enough that they could try and make that happen.

 

[Cowboys22]

OK, we simply disagree, and that's ok, but I just don't see how you can think you're going to get a premium draft pick (which is what I assume you mean when you say "a good pick") for a QB that you also think won't get you very far in the playoffs if you need to score more than 10 points. If he were to stay reasonably healthy and you were to put him on the Broncos, I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't feel like they had to hold their opponents to 10 points in order to win. My opinion is that he is a much better QB than you think he is. His big question mark is in his health, at this point.

I agree that many people feel that way and that's exactly why I think you can get a nice pick for him. You simply have to do it on your terms which may mean holding on to him until an injury happens or until he expands his list of teams. If you want to extend him some goodwill for whatever reason, then it's a lost cause and you will get nothing. Romo should not set the parameters of the situation. I'd free up the extra $5 million needed to keep him and then proclaim he will remain a Cowboy until a team is willing to give fair value set by the Bradford trade from last year. Bradford only had one year left on his deal. Romo will be under control for several years at a significantly reduced rate due to the team that gets him not having to pay any bonuses, just the remaining salaries which are low compared to what QBs cost against the cap. That should help blunt his age and injury history. It just takes waiting for the right moment to arrive to capitalize.

 

[Cowboys22]

In my previous post, I stated that JJ could ask him for a prioritized list of teams he would like to play for...never anywhere did I even insinuate that JJ would subject him to going to a team such as the Browns. I simply see that a scenario exists that could be win-win for both Tony and the Cowboys, and I think they respect one another enough that they could try and make that happen.

That's fine buy my point was very simple. If you are Romo and you just had a meeting with JJ where he told you I will doing everything I can to trade you to one of these three teams but it may not be possible and If I can't work out a deal of any kind, I will release you, how would you feel? You would be left twisting in the wind fearful of still possibly being traded to a doormat. I believe his agent would work to undercut that possibility by doing everything he can to see that Romo gets his release and is free to go exactly where he wants.

 

[xwalker]

You do whatever Romo wants. If he wants to be released to pick his own team then that's what you do.

There are times when you need to show some class. Your 10 year franchise QB who gave you everything you have is one of those times.

Class people.

If the Cowboy were running their operation based on showing the most "class" then they would need to cut any player that shows a lack of class on the field.

I'm sure they'll work with Romo to see what he wants to do, but if a team is offering a premium draft pick they'll have to consider it. Only good teams would be interested in Romo anyway. He has no value to the Browns.

 

[xwalker]

I know they have a good relationship, but Romo isn't going to sit idly by and risk being traded to the Browns when he can see a clear path to being released and signed by a contender with a good defense. He will take any step necessary to keep that from happening.

Only good teams would be interesting in Romo. He has no value to the Browns.

 

[Cowboys22]

Only good teams would be interesting in Romo. He has no value to the Browns.

That's your opinion and something I doubt Romo would wanted tested.

 

[xwalker]

Yes, and I'm saying for an extra $5 million, hold out for a desperate team losing their starter to injury. If one year of Sam Bradford can get you a 1st, several years of Romo should get you something similar.

No, it will cost 14M to keep him. It just that 5M is in 2017 and 9M is in 2018.

Cut Romo before 2017 season:
2017 cap hit: 19M
2018 cap hit: zero

Cut Romo after 2017 season:
2017 cap hit: 24M
2018 cap hit: 9M

 

[xwalker]

That's your opinion and something I doubt Romo would wanted tested.

He will be 37 before next season. What possible reason could a rebuilding team have to trade for Romo?

He always has the option to say that he is going to retire if he does not want to go to a specific team. Jerry won't force him to go to the Brown anyway, but if it comes down to the Bills vs the Broncos and the Broncos are offering a 5th and the Bills are offering a 1st, then he is going to the Bills or he is going to retire.

 

[Cowboys22]

No, it will cost 14M to keep him. It just that 5M is in 2017 and 9M is in 2018.

Cut Romo before 2017 season:
2017 cap hit: 19M
2018 cap hit: zero

Cut Romo after 2017 season:
2017 cap hit: 24M
2018 cap hit: 9M

I said extra $5million. Everyone knows his salary.

 

[xwalker]

I said extra $5million. Everyone knows his salary.

I don't think your following what I'm saying.

It will cost 14M "extra" to keep him vs trade or cut him.

 

[Cowboys22]

He will be 37 before next season. What possible reason could a rebuilding team have to trade for Romo?

He always has the option to say that he is going to retire if he does not want to go to a specific team. Jerry won't force him to go to the Brown anyway, but if it comes down to the Bills vs the Broncos and the Broncos are offering a 5th and the Bills are offering a 1st, then he is going to the Bills or he is going to retire.

I'm not saying anything much different. I just used the browns as an example. A rebuilding team may love to have a decent vet to bridge the years until they draft a promising QB. It may not be very likely but it's not out of the question and my only point is that Romo would not want that possibility hanging out there if he knew the team would release him in the end if no deal could be made. I believe his agent would work behind the scenes to undercut any such deal to a doormat and thus I disagreed with telling Romo he will be cut if he can't be traded. I rather they keep up the appearance that they will absorb the extra $5 million it will take to keep him another year.

 

[Cowboys22]

I don't think your following what I'm saying.

It will cost 14M "extra" to keep him vs trade or cut him.

In real dollars, yes. I'm talking cap dollars. I don't care about real dollars although I understand Jerry surely does.

 

[JoeKing]

Until he proves he can play a game without getting hurt, his value is not near what it should be.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Personally I desperately want Leary back.

I do too because if we don't keep him we have to draft his replacement and I want all our draft picks spent on defensive players.

 

[trickblue]

saw a recent article on BSPN (I know consider the source right) that claimed to quote some NFL exec saying that Romo should only fetch a mid round pick in an offseason trade because he's old and broken. This made me think that I'd prefer to keep him if that's the case since a good backup is hard to find. He'd have to take a large pay cut which he may not agree to but a single midround pick just seems way too low to me.
I accept that we may not get a first round pick out of him but I think the minimum I'd take is a second plus at least a fourth but I really want a 2+3rd minimum.
What say you?

I want to go on record for keeping him... But I would take a two or three if that becomes an issue...

Two or Three also involves good players... to us...

 

[Reverend Conehead]

We're all talking about trading him for one or more draft picks, but what about trading him for a player? Is there a player that could help our D that we might be able to get for Romo?