Whats up with dallascowboys.com re: Ogletree?

[NorTex]

For what it's worth, Stanback looked better than Ogletree in Thursdays practice at the stadium.

 

[Jay]

Cowboys kept Ellis, too, way past his effectiveness and look how it delayed Spencer's progress.

The Stanback experiment has played out and its time for newer blood in there.

We kept Ellis "way past his effectiveness"? He played very well last season given the limit snaps he saw. As a pass rusher, he was definitely effective.

I agree we should have gotten rid of him earlier but the word was that we were shopping him for a while, and I think teams realized we were just going to part ways.

Ellis was a primadonna and always ran to the media to spout off, but he was a heck of a player for us. I understand where the hate comes from, but as far as on the field, Ellis was a good one.

 

[DallasDomination]

I'm all for keeping 6 wr's. Olgatree has performed better and shows promise. But Even though I'm down on Stanbacks progression, He's still a physical specimen. And if Jerry gives up on him now, it would suck to see him pan out for another team. I say one more year.

 

[Disturbed]

If Phillips does not cut Stanback he is an idiot.

It is obvious that Stanback needs to be cut. He has more injuries than catches and does not loook any better today than he did on his first day. Cut him and spend the time developing Ogletree who has shown more production in one game than Stanback ever has in Dallas.

 

[igtmfo]

Stanback is a core special teamer, according to Vela.

That's why he would be kept around. Not for his receiving or his returns. He's always one of the first guys downfield as a gunner, and he's not a bad blocker on kick returns. I guess he grades out well at this job.

At this point, you would be lucky to find a core special teams guy on the street. I guess you already have one in Stanback.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is. He's probably going to stick.

BUT, do you guys ever remember him being hurt on special teams, getting hit? Nah, it seems like he gets hurt just running routes in practice and stuff.

DeCamillis must factor that in - that Stanback probably won't last long before he gets hurt, no matter what a good gunner he is right now. I would rather see a released rookie come in after final cuts, ANYBODY who has a chance at being a position player one day. It looks like Stanback's future at WR is nil.

 

[reddyuta]

For what it's worth, Stanback looked better than Ogletree in Thursdays practice at the stadium.

i didnt see that.he dropped 2 passes that i remember and one was against air!

 

[adbutcher]

Hurd and Austin are always injured. Williams has a toe injury last year.

Hush yo mouth, we are too busy being made about something that hasn't happen yet.

 

[adbutcher]

Hurd and Austin are always injured. Williams has a toe injury last year. Currently he's nursing a shoulder. Ogletree has yet to play in a real game. While that's not his fault, Stanback has played in real NFL games and has looked fine when healthty. He's healthy again now and has plaed well since coming off his last injury. From what I've heard, coaches like his progression. On top of that, Jerry Jones is afraid of Jimmy Smithing himself again, and I can't blame him for that. Add all that up, and it's likely that Stanback will be the #5 WR over Ogletree. And if they go with 6, it'll be because they're afraid of Ogletree not clearing waivers onto the practice squad. Hey I'm just sayin...this may not be what folks want to hear about Dallas' WR dillema, but this is how I see it all shaking down realistically.

The forum has spoken and we demand blood. Stanbrittle must go. Along with Spears, James, Free, McQuistan, and every other player that did not become a contributor when the forum wanted them to.

 

[WoodysGirl]

The forum has spoken and we demand blood. Stanbrittle must go. Along with Spears, James, Free, McQuistan, and every other player that did not become a contributor when the forum wanted them to.

Watch out or you're going to get Beeler'd. One must not speak against Ogletree or support Stanback.

 

[adbutcher]

Watch out or you're going to get Beeler'd. One must not speak against Ogletree or support Stanback.

I am not beholden to any of the forum's sacred cows. In fact, you have not had steaks until you tasted the tender morsel that comes from a sacred cow. How do you take yours? I like mine medium well.

 

[superpunk]

Why does everyone think Stanback is Jerry's guy?

That was an Ireland move. My guess is that Garrett wants him to remain on the team.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Stanback is a core special teamer, according to Vela.

That's why he would be kept around. Not for his receiving or his returns. He's always one of the first guys downfield as a gunner, and he's not a bad blocker on kick returns. I guess he grades out well at this job.

At this point, you would be lucky to find a core special teams guy on the street. I guess you already have one in Stanback.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is. He's probably going to stick.

BUT, do you guys ever remember him being hurt on special teams, getting hit? Nah, it seems like he gets hurt just running routes in practice and stuff.

DeCamillis must factor that in - that Stanback probably won't last long before he gets hurt, no matter what a good gunner he is right now. I would rather see a released rookie come in after final cuts, ANYBODY who has a chance at being a position player one day. It looks like Stanback's future at WR is nil.

A player has to be healthy and on the active roster on game day to be a core special team player. Stanback more often than not was neither. If he makes it to the 53 this year, it is because he is Jerry's pet cat.

Babe described it best when he said that Ogletree right now is far ahead of Stanback in terms of development as a WR. This is Ogletree's first year and Stanbacks third, and he is already ahead of him, with room to grow in the next thress years. Where will they be in three more years? Will Stanback catch up and pass Ogletree? It is very doubtful.

The time has come to put an end to project players with potential. Like BP used to say, all portential means is that you've never done it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

In the mailbag today O-Tree was the topic of questions they where talking about tring to keep 6 WR with Stanglass as one of them am I missing something what does Jerry and a few pepole working for the Cowboys see in Stanglass?

Those guys are just speculating. That doesn't mean that is what the Cowboys are planning to do. Keeping 6 WRs is going to be very difficult since we now are carring 2 kickers and 3 QBs. That eats two spots we weren't using them for when we were keeping six WRs

 

[Doomsday101]

Those guys are just speculating. That doesn't mean that is what the Cowboys are planning to do. Keeping 6 WRs is going to be very difficult since we now are carring 2 kickers and 3 QBs. That eats two spots we weren't using them for when we were keeping six WRs

Good post I agree.

 

[jday]

In the mailbag today O-Tree was the topic of questions they where talking about tring to keep 6 WR with Stanglass as one of them am I missing something what does Jerry and a few pepole working for the Cowboys see in Stanglass?

Special Teams! If I'm not mistaken, Stanback contributes on both punt and kick return coverage units. He is typically one of the first guy's down the field, and he stays in his lanes to route the returner into coverage, which is a very important aspect of the coverage game.

 

[jchocolate82]

Hurd and Austin are always injured. Williams has a toe injury last year. Currently he's nursing a shoulder. Ogletree has yet to play in a real game. While that's not his fault, Stanback has played in real NFL games and has looked fine when healthty. He's healthy again now and has plaed well since coming off his last injury. From what I've heard, coaches like his progression. On top of that, Jerry Jones is afraid of Jimmy Smithing himself again, and I can't blame him for that. Add all that up, and it's likely that Stanback will be the #5 WR over Ogletree. And if they go with 6, it'll be because they're afraid of Ogletree not clearing waivers onto the practice squad. Hey I'm just sayin...this may not be what folks want to hear about Dallas' WR dillema, but this is how I see it all shaking down realistically.

what games and practices have you been watching??? Ogletree is the 5th WR he is no longer competing with Stanback for a roster spot he locked his down with his production in practice and live games. Stanback lost that race for the 5th spot so now he's fighting for his life just to make a roster spot on this team. Its up to Stanback now in this last pre-season game to convince the coaches he deserves a roster spot. Ogletrees name mentioned with PS or clearing waivers is a done discussion he would never clear waivers and the team isnt gonna even attempt that. Americas fan if you're a Stanback fan thats perfectly fine but dont let your interest in him blind you to the fact that Ogletree is the better WR right now and still has potential to grow. If Stanback manages to stay on this team and the lights finally click for him and he becomes the better WR I'm all for it cause it just makes our team that much better for it.

 

[hockix]

what games and practices have you been watching??? Ogletree is the 5th WR he is no longer competing with Stanback for a roster spot he locked his down with his production in practice and live games. Stanback lost that race for the 5th spot so now he's fighting for his life just to make a roster spot on this team. Its up to Stanback now in this last pre-season game to convince the coaches he deserves a roster spot. Ogletrees name mentioned with PS or clearing waivers is a done discussion he would never clear waivers and the team isnt gonna even attempt that. Americas fan if you're a Stanback fan thats perfectly fine but dont let your interest in him blind you to the fact that Ogletree is the better WR right now and still has potential to grow. If Stanback manages to stay on this team and the lights finally click for him and he becomes the better WR I'm all for it cause it just makes our team that much better for it.

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[AMERICAS_FAN]

what games and practices have you been watching??? Ogletree is the 5th WR he is no longer competing with Stanback for a roster spot he locked his down with his production in practice and live games. Stanback lost that race for the 5th spot so now he's fighting for his life just to make a roster spot on this team. Its up to Stanback now in this last pre-season game to convince the coaches he deserves a roster spot. Ogletrees name mentioned with PS or clearing waivers is a done discussion he would never clear waivers and the team isnt gonna even attempt that. Americas fan if you're a Stanback fan thats perfectly fine but dont let your interest in him blind you to the fact that Ogletree is the better WR right now and still has potential to grow. If Stanback manages to stay on this team and the lights finally click for him and he becomes the better WR I'm all for it cause it just makes our team that much better for it.

Two things:

1. Stanback is a way better spcial teamer than Ogletree, and one of the team's best gunners and blockers on kickoffs and kick-returns, respectively. And backups - especially the bottom men on the totem pole - absolutely must be solic contributers on special teams. Stanback takes that hands down.

2. Ogletrere will clear waivers because by the time he is cut, another team would have to sign him to their 53 man roster in oprder to claim him. For a team to do that they would have to have nobody as good as a last receiver - which is highly unlikely - and also have that last receiver be such ap utz on special tema that Ogletree would provide an upgrade. Right now, Ogletree has done nothing on special tems worthy enough to indicate he would provide such an upgrade, when he can't even do it on this team that opened the offseason with the most special tems job opening in the league.

Sorry for spoiling the party for you, but Stanback will righfully be the teams #5 WR, Ogletree will be cut, clear waivers and provide us a good practice double on the practice squad; and that's not such a bad thing, because he could develop his game there, both as a WR and special teamer.

 

[Stash]

Hurd and Austin are always injured. Williams has a toe injury last year. Currently he's nursing a shoulder. Ogletree has yet to play in a real game. While that's not his fault, Stanback has played in real NFL games and has looked fine when healthty.

Where?

When?

He's healthy again now and has plaed well since coming off his last injury.

Again.

Where?

When?

From what I've heard, coaches like his progression. On top of that, Jerry Jones is afraid of Jimmy Smithing himself again, and I can't blame him for that. Add all that up, and it's likely that Stanback will be the #5 WR over Ogletree.

This is some of the worst 'math' I've ever seen and I sure hope that the team isn't this stupid.

And if they go with 6, it'll be because they're afraid of Ogletree not clearing waivers onto the practice squad. Hey I'm just sayin...this may not be what folks want to hear about Dallas' WR dillema, but this is how I see it all shaking down realistically.

The only guy who has to pray they keep 6 receivers is "The Perpetual Project Isaiah Stanback".

 

[Seven]

Why does everyone think Stanback is Jerry's guy?

That was an Ireland move. My guess is that Garrett wants him to remain on the team.

Because jed is solely responsible for the hiring and firing of his athlete's. The buck stops there........those are his words. So, according to him............Stanback is still around.

Why would any coach want a dude that's been with a club for 3 years and still fields w/ 3rd stringers? There's 2 kinds of potential.