Whats up with dallascowboys.com re: Ogletree?

[thechosen1n2]

Watch out or you're going to get Beeler'd. One must not speak against Ogletree or support Stanback.

no kiddin...personally i like stanback on special teams. Neither player will see much at receiver this year, so the way I see it, standback can help us more right now.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Because jed is solely responsible for the hiring and firing of his athlete's. The buck stops there........those are his words. So, according to him............Stanback is still around.

Why would any coach want a dude that's been with a club for 3 years and still fields w/ 3rd stringers? There's 2 kinds of potential.

Not sure, but wasn't Romo still fielding with the 3rd stringers in his 3rd year?

I think it should be generally accepted that Ogletree is making the team and cannot be snuck onto the practice squad.

However, I don't think it's a given that Stanback is a goner. I don't think anyone can be 100% either way.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Watch out or you're going to get Beeler'd. One must not speak against Ogletree or support Stanback.

no kiddin...personally i like stanback on special teams. Neither player will see much at receiver this year, so the way I see it, stanback can help us more right now.

 

[Stash]

I think it should be generally accepted that Ogletree is making the team and cannot be snuck onto the practice squad.

However, I don't think it's a given that Stanback is a goner. I don't think anyone can be 100% either way.

That's the way I see it.

If they want to keep 6 receivers, keep Stanback.

If they don't - don't.

But Ogletree has done enough to make this team - beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Seven]

Not sure, but wasn't Romo still fielding with the 3rd stringers in his 3rd year?

I believe that's true. However, more likely than not due to opportunities. Isaiah returns, is on special teams and is also on the field for receptions. I believe the dude needs to be good at something.........by now.

I think it should be generally accepted that Ogletree is making the team and cannot be snuck onto the practice squad.

Agreed.

However, I don't think it's a given that Stanback is a goner. I don't think anyone can be 100% either way.

Agreed.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

No wonder our special teams have been horrendous, our key, core special teamer and best gunner has only been active for 10 out of a possible 32 games in his career. Plus he has 2 more receptions in real football games than does Ogletree.

 

[jchocolate82]

Two things:

1. Stanback is a way better spcial teamer than Ogletree, and one of the team's best gunners and blockers on kickoffs and kick-returns, respectively. And backups - especially the bottom men on the totem pole - absolutely must be solic contributers on special teams. Stanback takes that hands down.

Thats a very big stretch right here because to be honest KO has looked a lot better and more fluid as a return man to me plus we have 3 other players on the roster who can return. As far as the coverage units go you might be right on that and I'd be willing to cede that point to you but KO can be taught how to do that we have one of the best special teams coach in the game and one of our best ST players Hurd did a pretty good job learning that when he was a rookie playing WR so its not out of the relm for KO to excel in that role

2. Ogletrere will clear waivers because by the time he is cut, another team would have to sign him to their 53 man roster in oprder to claim him. For a team to do that they would have to have nobody as good as a last receiver - which is highly unlikely - and also have that last receiver be such ap utz on special tema that Ogletree would provide an upgrade. Right now, Ogletree has done nothing on special tems worthy enough to indicate he would provide such an upgrade, when he can't even do it on this team that opened the offseason with the most special tems job opening in the league.

I really dont get you're logic in this the KID has done enough in pre-season games to show that he can possibly play in this league. There's a bunch of teams out there with scrub WR back-ups that might think he can add more to there team and swoop him up off waivers. HE WONT CLEAR WAIVERS mark my words on that. I understand bro where you're coming from on the special teams stuff but you dont just cut a player with ability to play cause he doesnt have a defined roll in ST. a player can be taught to play in ST. in 2006 when we kept 6WRs it was because Austin and Hurd wouldnt clear waivers crap the Patriots personally called jerry and told him that they would take Austin at first chance they got and KO has done more in this pre-season than Austin did his rookie year but the potential was there in Austin and teams were willing to make a spot on the 53 for him. Hurd and Austin both learned to play ST and have been pretty good at it since.

Your point on KO being able to clear waivers because teams wont wanna take up space on there 53 is incorrect my friend cause teams do it every year during this time just to protect raw players with pontial.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Two things:

1. Stanback is a way better spcial teamer than Ogletree, and one of the team's best gunners and blockers on kickoffs and kick-returns, respectively. And backups - especially the bottom men on the totem pole - absolutely must be solic contributers on special teams. Stanback takes that hands down.

2. Ogletrere will clear waivers because by the time he is cut, another team would have to sign him to their 53 man roster in oprder to claim him. For a team to do that they would have to have nobody as good as a last receiver - which is highly unlikely - and also have that last receiver be such ap utz on special tema that Ogletree would provide an upgrade. Right now, Ogletree has done nothing on special tems worthy enough to indicate he would provide such an upgrade, when he can't even do it on this team that opened the offseason with the most special tems job opening in the league.

Sorry for spoiling the party for you, but Stanback will righfully be the teams #5 WR, Ogletree will be cut, clear waivers and provide us a good practice double on the practice squad; and that's not such a bad thing, because he could develop his game there, both as a WR and special teamer.

i dont know if ogletree will clear waivers, but i do believe that stanback can help the team more right now...like i said earlier, neither will be gettin run at receiver and stanback is a better all around special teamer.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

i dont know if ogletree will clear waivers, but i do believe that stanback can help the team more right now...like i said earlier, neither will be gettin run at receiver and stanback is a better all around special teamer.

Based on what? How many tackles did have have as a special teamer last year? He only returned 10 kickoffs in the 8 games he played in. He caught a whopping 2 passes last year.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

i dont know if ogletree will clear waivers, but i do believe that stanback can help the team more right now...like i said earlier, neither will be gettin run at receiver and stanback is a better all around special teamer.

That's the point that others in this thread fail to get. The #5 and #6 WRs are special-temaers first and WRs second, because if the season ever comes down to having to rely on the #5/#6 WRs as receivers, then the season is as good as LOST!

 

[NorTex]

i didnt see that.he dropped 2 passes that i remember and one was against air!

All the big 4 receivers dropped a pass against air during the passing drills.

Ogletree dropped an easy ball in 11 on 11's.

Stanback made one of the better catches of the day when he caught that deep out that Newman leaped to intercept but came up a few inches short.

I didn't see Stanback drop a pass in 11 on 11's.

 

[Stash]

That's the point that others in this thread fail to get. The #5 and #6 WRs are special-temaers first and WRs second, because if the season ever comes down to having to rely on the #5/#6 WRs as receivers, then the season is as good as LOST!

And suddenly, somehow, some way, Stanback is a 'key special teamer' is the latest excuse to keep a physically-talented, non-performer around.

How many special teams tackles does this 'key performer' have?

Anyone?

Anyone?

 

[TNCowboy]

Agreed. I'm not high on Stanback or Austin, but I think we have to cut one of them--preferably Stansnatch.

There's zero chance of Austin getting cut.

 

[tomson75]

And suddenly, somehow, some way, Stanback is a 'key special teamer' is the latest excuse to keep a physically-talented, non-performer around.

How many special teams tackles does this 'key performer' have?

Anyone?

Anyone?

This.

I can't recall ever seeing stanback making a play last year....special teams or otherwise. His KO returns suck more often than not, and his presence there could easily be replaced by the rookie. Oh yeah...he sucks at receiver.

So now he's a tackling machine? Some coverage unit ace? What other excuses are we going to make for this guy when he proves a failure at that too?

 

[igtmfo]

Per Rafael Vela at ...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/8/31/1008577/cowboys-special-teams-stability#storyjump

"Don't Throw the Core Out With the Discards"

"DeCamillis has settled on a core of players. A couple are names many of us, me included have marked for death. Pat Watkins continues on both kickoff and both punt units, greatly improving his chances of hanging on. The same is true of wideout Isaiah Stanback. He hurt his cause by fumbling a pass, but had a strong game on special teams. He and rookie Jason Williams were frequently the first two down on kickoff returns. He plays in the middle of the punt coverage team, in one of the slots Keith Davis used to occupy. Stanback had a solid 30 yard return and his downfield block on a 'Niners gunner sprung Crayton on his big return. Stanback is playing like a cat who knows he's on his 9th life, and that adrenaline-infused hustle may keep him in a Cowboys uniform.

Stanback, Watkins, John Phillips and Jason Williams are four guys Coach D has trusted the last two weeks. Watch next week to see if these four have company on the special teams core.

I don't expect a steady week -to-week improvement from the special teammers. DeCamillis is pushing a lot of new faces, many of them rookies, into his teams, and their progress tends to be up and down, not linear. Improvement is clear, from this time last year and even a month ago.

It may come next week, or next month, but the Cowboys are being DeCamillisized."

 

[jchocolate82]

That's the point that others in this thread fail to get. The #5 and #6 WRs are special-temaers first and WRs second, because if the season ever comes down to having to rely on the #5/#6 WRs as receivers, then the season is as good as LOST!

WOW!!!!! I really dont know what to say to this man. YOU DONT DISCARD TALENT IF YOU HAVE IT. Dude no ones gonna argue with you on how important special teams is, no one on the board is failing to get that, but listen to what you're saying right now. You're willing to part ways with a young player (and yes your gonna part ways cause KO is not surviving through waivers) thats showing great talent at a position and has lots of upside to get even better for a player that just isnt working out at the same position but is good at just special teams? If thats the case we definitely shouldnt of let Keith Davis go definitely shouldnt of let Terrance Copper go and a whole shlew of players that were pretty good ST players but not great at their respective positions. For a young player ST is a must if you want to survive on any team but dude the time does come when that young player must show more than being a special teams ace to stay on a team. Lets be honest Keith Davis only lasted as long as he did with us because we didnt have and couldnt find better at saftey. You act like KO cant be taught to be a coverage man on ST cause Stanback sure as hell wasnt doing coverage units at U of WA when he was playing QB he had to come to Dallas and learn that and got better as the seasons went on. Come up off your love fest with Stanback and look at the reality that is.

 

[adbutcher]

Per Rafael Vela at ...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/8/31/1008577/cowboys-special-teams-stability#storyjump

"Don't Throw the Core Out With the Discards"

"DeCamillis has settled on a core of players. A couple are names many of us, me included have marked for death. Pat Watkins continues on both kickoff and both punt units, greatly improving his chances of hanging on. The same is true of wideout Isaiah Stanback. He hurt his cause by fumbling a pass, but had a strong game on special teams. He and rookie Jason Williams were frequently the first two down on kickoff returns. He plays in the middle of the punt coverage team, in one of the slots Keith Davis used to occupy. Stanback had a solid 30 yard return and his downfield block on a 'Niners gunner sprung Crayton on his big return. Stanback is playing like a cat who knows he's on his 9th life, and that adrenaline-infused hustle may keep him in a Cowboys uniform.

Stanback, Watkins, John Phillips and Jason Williams are four guys Coach D has trusted the last two weeks. Watch next week to see if these four have company on the special teams core.

I don't expect a steady week -to-week improvement from the special teammers. DeCamillis is pushing a lot of new faces, many of them rookies, into his teams, and their progress tends to be up and down, not linear. Improvement is clear, from this time last year and even a month ago.

It may come next week, or next month, but the Cowboys are being DeCamillisized."

What are the chances that these little factoids are ignored?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Per Rafael Vela at ...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/8/31/1008577/cowboys-special-teams-stability#storyjump

"Don't Throw the Core Out With the Discards"

"DeCamillis has settled on a core of players. A couple are names many of us, me included have marked for death. Pat Watkins continues on both kickoff and both punt units, greatly improving his chances of hanging on. The same is true of wideout Isaiah Stanback. He hurt his cause by fumbling a pass, but had a strong game on special teams. He and rookie Jason Williams were frequently the first two down on kickoff returns. He plays in the middle of the punt coverage team, in one of the slots Keith Davis used to occupy. Stanback had a solid 30 yard return and his downfield block on a 'Niners gunner sprung Crayton on his big return. Stanback is playing like a cat who knows he's on his 9th life, and that adrenaline-infused hustle may keep him in a Cowboys uniform.

Stanback, Watkins, John Phillips and Jason Williams are four guys Coach D has trusted the last two weeks. Watch next week to see if these four have company on the special teams core.

I don't expect a steady week -to-week improvement from the special teammers. DeCamillis is pushing a lot of new faces, many of them rookies, into his teams, and their progress tends to be up and down, not linear. Improvement is clear, from this time last year and even a month ago.

It may come next week, or next month, but the Cowboys are being DeCamillisized."

It must be nice to be able to have people only capable of playing on ST.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

WOW!!!!! I really dont know what to say to this man. YOU DONT DISCARD TALENT IF YOU HAVE IT. Dude no ones gonna argue with you on how important special teams is, no one on the board is failing to get that, but listen to what you're saying right now. You're willing to part ways with a young player (and yes your gonna part ways cause KO is not surviving through waivers) thats showing great talent at a position and has lots of upside to get even better for a player that just isnt working out at the same position but is good at just special teams? If thats the case we definitely shouldnt of let Keith Davis go definitely shouldnt of let Terrance Copper go and a whole shlew of players that were pretty good ST players but not great at their respective positions. For a young player ST is a must if you want to survive on any team but dude the time does come when that young player must show more than being a special teams ace to stay on a team. Lets be honest Keith Davis only lasted as long as he did with us because we didnt have and couldnt find better at saftey. You act like KO cant be taught to be a coverage man on ST cause Stanback sure as hell wasnt doing coverage units at U of WA when he was playing QB he had to come to Dallas and learn that and got better as the seasons went on. Come up off your love fest with Stanback and look at the reality that is.

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Per Rafael Vela at ...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/...lity#storyjump

"Don't Throw the Core Out With the Discards"

"DeCamillis has settled on a core of players. A couple are names many of us, me included have marked for death. Pat Watkins continues on both kickoff and both punt units, greatly improving his chances of hanging on. The same is true of wideout Isaiah Stanback. He hurt his cause by fumbling a pass, but had a strong game on special teams. He and rookie Jason Williams were frequently the first two down on kickoff returns. He plays in the middle of the punt coverage team, in one of the slots Keith Davis used to occupy. Stanback had a solid 30 yard return and his downfield block on a 'Niners gunner sprung Crayton on his big return. Stanback is playing like a cat who knows he's on his 9th life, and that adrenaline-infused hustle may keep him in a Cowboys uniform.

Stanback, Watkins, John Phillips and Jason Williams are four guys Coach D has trusted the last two weeks. Watch next week to see if these four have company on the special teams core.



And you exclaimed "WOW!"?

WOW!

 

[Stash]

Can somebody tell me how many tackles this 'core special teamer' has?

Is it enough to justify being a complete waste of (roster) space otherwise?

Thanks in advance!