What's your opinion of Jason Campbell?

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SkinsHokieFan;2295276 said:
Then it appears we agree. Campbell is playing to what the system is supposed to do. High percentage, get the ball in your playmakers hands, and when the opportunity is there get it downfield
yes, i agree with that although it's hard to give campbell a ton of credit regarding yesterday's game in particular. every time he went down the field, the receivers were uncovered. hard to miss those passes.. again, props to the system
 

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My opinion of Campbell has not changed. I liked him at Auburn and I felt like if he got an opportunity in Washington, he could be a good QB for your franchise. He has always been very good at protecting the ball and, IMO, playing within himself. Zorn and Campbell can be a very good combination and with a little stability in the Washington Offense, I think he will continue to improve.

Bart Starr has never really been considered a great QB but I always felt like he was one of the greatest QBs. He always protected the team, he came to play when the team needed him and he just didn't make a lot of mistakes. That's kinda how I see Campbell. As he matures, he won't be a guy who hangs 350 on you consistantly but you'll have to beat him because he won't beat himself.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;2295229 said:
Sorry dude, but most of those passes weren't of the under 5 yards in the air variety.

In particular the plays to Moss. Moss averaged 18.6 yards per catch.

If you take away that 53 yarder, Moss would have had 13.1 yards per catch

So again, we have no clue what you are talking about in regards to nothing but 3 yard completions

Why not take away the 30 yarder on the busted coverage across the middle, where Henry left him for the LBs, but no LB was there... The fact is, the play of Jason Campbell has more to do with busted coverages and weak scheming than anything else. Against the Cardinals, it was the same busted coverages. He had below 200 yards. Against NO, the same busted coverages. They were down in the fourth quarter in both those games. Agains the Giants, he sucked.

The guy sucks... He's playing the best football he's played, but it isn't that good. They should be 1-3 right now, and sadly, that one win would be against the Cowboys...
 

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KLJ;2295217 said:
this has nothing to do with me or the discussion.. you are grasping at this point. the fact that he is completing 65% only proves my point further.. :laugh2: thanks..

He had a 7.5 YPA yesterday and just over 7 YPA on the year. That ranks about 15th in the league -- and that includes the stinker he laid in week one.

KLJ;2295217 said:
the only person making dumb statements is a Commander troll on this website.. you have yet to dispute my one statement which is he is getting away with an incredibly high percentage of short passes. you keep trying to dance around it which clearly shows you have nothing.. but most trolls usually have nothing

Yes I am troll. Whatever.

The Commanders played better period, and you can't take that. Campbell executed the game plan he was given. He was sharp, he was crisp. He made all the necessary throws. He is working well in the system, he is not turning the ball over at all and that scares the crap out of you. I understand.

And Silverbear's biggest mark against Campbell has been erased. Campbell has now won 3 straight with 30 or more passing attempts.

Campbell is now the #4 rated passer in the league.
 

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Sonny#9;2295350 said:
The Commanders played better period,....
i never said otherwise.. keep dancing..

Campbell executed the game plan he was given.
exactly the point i am making.. you are doing better..

somehow you have managed to go yet another reply without actually addressing my very 1st post in this thread.. you keep doing a 2 step around it.. campbell is putting up very nice numbers with simple, short passes and a good scheme by zorn..
 

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khiladi;2295346 said:
The guy sucks......
i don't think he sucks.. he is doing exactly what is asked of him, which isn't much.. the one thing i think he is good at is protecting the football.. every week i keep waiting for the defense to press a lot more and make campbell go down the field more. it hasn't happened yet so i have to give zorn credit for the scheme..
 

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SkinsHokieFan;2295253 said:
Yes. Every single snap. Have you?

Just a newsflash. It is called a WCO for a reason. Short passes to keep the chains moving then go up top when the defense is set up for the big play.

Worked perfectly yesterday

Wade's "lets play 15 yards off the receivers" defense was a perfect fit/nightmare :bang2:
 

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khiladi;2295346 said:
Why not take away the 30 yarder on the busted coverage across the middle, where Henry left him for the LBs, but no LB was there... The fact is, the play of Jason Campbell has more to do with busted coverages and weak scheming than anything else. Against the Cardinals, it was the same busted coverages. He had below 200 yards. Against NO, the same busted coverages. They were down in the fourth quarter in both those games. Agains the Giants, he sucked.

The guy sucks... He's playing the best football he's played, but it isn't that good. They should be 1-3 right now, and sadly, that one win would be against the Cowboys...

So would he be better if the scheme sucked and the WRs didn't get open?

If the offense gets the Wrs open, and he hits the Wr, what else is he supposed to do?

You noticing that there is a pattern? Every week the Commanders have wide open WRs. One week its a fluke, 3 straight weeks, I don't think its an accident :)
 

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Except for the Giants game, he has been impressive this year, it appears him and Zorn have something with each other.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;2295452 said:
So would he be better if the scheme sucked and the WRs didn't get open?

If the offense gets the Wrs open, and he hits the Wr, what else is he supposed to do?

You noticing that there is a pattern? Every week the Commanders have wide open WRs. One week its a fluke, 3 straight weeks, I don't think its an accident :)

I live in DC and watch pretty much all their games. I know busted coverages when I see them. The only legitimate non-screw up against the Cowboys was the double-move by Santana Moss on Newman. It was a great play by Moss.. Other than that, the next big play of Moss was on a busted coverage, where Henry left him over the top of Zach Thomas. Nobody covered Moss, meaning the coverage was blown by our defender... The argument is not whether Moss is a legitimate receiver or not, the argument is about Jason Campbell..
The point is, the times Campbell has hit big is when his WRs were wide, freaking open...

Jason Campbell threw under 200 yards against Arizona.. That team gave up 56 points to the Jets, and you saw their busted coverages when Coles had 3 TDs.

The Commanders were losing in the 4th quarter for two of their wins.

The fact is, Jason Campbell isn't good.. He's got a slow release and slow-footed and hasn't been pressured. Dallas plays this weak zone, when they should have attacked...
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2295328 said:
My opinion of Campbell has not changed. I liked him at Auburn and I felt like if he got an opportunity in Washington, he could be a good QB for your franchise. He has always been very good at protecting the ball and, IMO, playing within himself. Zorn and Campbell can be a very good combination and with a little stability in the Washington Offense, I think he will continue to improve.

Bart Starr has never really been considered a great QB but I always felt like he was one of the greatest QBs. He always protected the team, he came to play when the team needed him and he just didn't make a lot of mistakes. That's kinda how I see Campbell. As he matures, he won't be a guy who hangs 350 on you consistantly but you'll have to beat him because he won't beat himself.
I would love if Campbell could be compared to Bart Starr. A QB who doesn't make a lot of mistakes is exactly what you need to win in the post season. Maybe we don't get there this year, but he's still young enough that I have a great deal of hope for the future.
 

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khiladi;2295509 said:
I live in DC and watch pretty much all their games. I know busted coverages when I see them. The only legitimate non-screw up against the Cowboys was the double-move by Santana Moss on Newman. It was a great play by Moss.. Other than that, the next big play of Moss was on a busted coverage, where Henry left him over the top of Zach Thomas. Nobody covered Moss, meaning the coverage was blown by our defender... The argument is not whether Moss is a legitimate receiver or not, the argument is about Jason Campbell..
The point is, the times Campbell has hit big is when his WRs were wide, freaking open...

Jason Campbell threw under 200 yards against Arizona.. That team gave up 56 points to the Jets, and you saw their busted coverages when Coles had 3 TDs.

The Commanders were losing in the 4th quarter for two of their wins.

The fact is, Jason Campbell isn't good.. He's got a slow release and slow-footed and hasn't been pressured. Dallas plays this weak zone, when they should have attacked...
I think winning football games in the 4th quarter is a sign of a good team and QB, not a bad one. I hope we keep getting lucky and see these busted coverages every week.
 

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Skinsmaniac;2295597 said:
I think winning football games in the 4th quarter is a sign of a good team and QB, not a bad one. I hope we keep getting lucky and see these busted coverages every week.

When your consistently down in the 4th quarter, it'll come to bite you in the butt eventually...
 

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KLJ;2295386 said:
i never said otherwise.. keep dancing..


exactly the point i am making.. you are doing better..

somehow you have managed to go yet another reply without actually addressing my very 1st post in this thread.. you keep doing a 2 step around it.. campbell is putting up very nice numbers with simple, short passes and a good scheme by zorn..

So if all he's throwing are simple 3 yard passes -- is your secondary that bad at coverage/tackling? B/c that's a whole lotta YAC.
 

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khiladi;2295630 said:
When your consistently down in the 4th quarter, it'll come to bite you in the butt eventually...

Only if they're still down when that clock hist 0:00. I love some fans who still can't give credit where credit is due...
 

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Sonny#9;2295764 said:
So if all he's throwing are simple 3 yard passes -- is your secondary that bad at coverage/tackling? B/c that's a whole lotta YAC.

Well yall did break a lot of tackles yesterday....
 

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KLJ;2295037 said:
campbell is great at those 3 yard passes they run over and over again. i'm amazed they still work so well
I'm sure you are after watching your pro-bowl QB unable to make those critical 3 yard passes in the red zone week after week. :D
 

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Same as it has always been. He is a good young player learning the game.

Yesterday was really the first good team he beat, excluding new orleans in 06.

From here on out the Commanders will get their due because their qb finally beat a good team. They wont have to worry about being 11.5 pt dogs again.
 

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random Cs;2295957 said:
I'm sure you are after watching your pro-bowl QB unable to make those critical 3 yard passes in the red zone week after week. :D

Thats funny he seemed to have no problem yesterday when we got into your side of the field.
 

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random Cs;2295957 said:
I'm sure you are after watching your pro-bowl QB unable to make those critical 3 yard passes in the red zone week after week. :D
this has nothing to do with the topic of conversation... why do Commanders fans want to keep bringing romo into the conversation?
 
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