When are Glenn and TO's roster bonuses due?

[Doomsday]

And I guess it makes me a Cowboy hater to say that Roy sucked this year .

No just not well informed.

 

[LatinMind]

Just found it:

Glenn is due in March.
TO is due in June.

They would cost a combined $17.25M. Add in the newly re-signed Crayton and that would be a VERY expensive receiving corps.

the caphit for owens and glenn wont be 17.25. dallas witht he new CBa that takes place starting this yr allows dallas to prorate the roster bonus over the course of the contract. which means they'll have to pay the bonus to each player physically, but they can spread it out over the length of the contract for cap purposes.

in owens case, he has 3 this yr and 3 next yr. basically owens will count 6.5 gainst the cap total this yr and if they choose next yr he'll count 8.5. or 4.5 if they choose to cut him which they probably will.

in glenns case i dont know the total of his extension. but his roster bonus is 5 mil, but will only count 2.5 against the cap + his base salary

 

[aikemirv]

So you think their skills are timeless?? It doesn't concern you at all that they'll be 34 and 33 during the season next year. Historically those are not great years for WR's. You'd rather use $18.25M of cap space on two aging, past their prime players as opposed to locking up a young, up and coming player like Crayton.

I know it's difficult for the small minded to look at the big picture, but take your time and give it a shot.

Since they are so old and declining, lets just go with Hurd and Austin and save 15 million.

Oh yeah, we are playing to win, until you have replacements you pay or renegotiate.

By the way, if it were my money and Glenn's knee condition is serious then it is a tough 5 mill to shell out before you know who is available in the draft.

 

[BigDave95]

The problem is not that Owens and Glenn are old.

The problem I see with your post is that Crayton at BEST is a #2 WR.

He is not in the league of Terry or Owens.

Signing Crayton is good for the team, however it is far from a priority in my mind.

He is the type of player that could be replaced easily.

I never claimed that Crayton was in the same league as Terry or Owens. In fact, I said he was obviously not.

I completely agree Crayton is a #2 WR. He'll never be a top guy but he could be a solid #2. My plan would be to keep Glenn OR Owens but not both and then draft your future #1.

 

[Doomsday]

Since they are so old and declining, lets just go with Hurd and Austin and save 15 million.

Oh yeah, we are playing to win, until you have replacements you pay or renegotiate.

By the way, if it were my money and Glenn's knee condition is serious then it is a tough 5 mill to shell out before you know who is available in the draft.

How often do rookie WRs come in and have 1000 yards and 7 TDs?

 

[BigDave95]

No just not well informed.

Because Roy played well this year??

Please destroy your credibility a little more....

 

[BigDave95]

How often do rookie WRs come in and have 1000 yards and 7 TDs?

You wouldn't need him to. He'd be your #3 next year.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I never claimed that Crayton was in the same league as Terry or Owens. In fact, I said he was obviously not.

I completely agree Crayton is a #2 WR. He'll never be a top guy but he could be a solid #2. My plan would be to keep Glenn OR Owens but not both and then draft your future #1.

I said a #2 at BEST...that means that is probably his ceiling and if all went well...I never said he would be a good #2.

I think he will make his bread and butter in this league as a #3 myself and there is nothing wrong with that.

But the bottom line IMO is that he is the type of player that could be easily replaced in this league. A number 3 possession WR.

I think you may actually have better upside in someone like Hurd and Austin.

I would not be opposed to signing him back to the team, but I do not think it is a priority.

 

[DipChit]

Since they are so old and declining, lets just go with Hurd and Austin and save 15 million.

Yeah, prolly not a good idea.

Although regardless of the reasons why, they prolly coulda put up the same numbers as TO and TG down the stretch.

In the last 4 games TG had a total of 16 catches and in the last 5 games TO had a total of 18.

 

[BigDave95]

the caphit for owens and glenn wont be 17.25. dallas witht he new CBa that takes place starting this yr allows dallas to prorate the roster bonus over the course of the contract. which means they'll have to pay the bonus to each player physically, but they can spread it out over the length of the contract for cap purposes.

in owens case, he has 3 this yr and 3 next yr. basically owens will count 6.5 gainst the cap total this yr and if they choose next yr he'll count 8.5. or 4.5 if they choose to cut him which they probably will.

in glenns case i dont know the total of his extension. but his roster bonus is 5 mil, but will only count 2.5 against the cap + his base salary

Terry Glenn is due a $5 million roster bonus in March.

T.O. is due $3 million in June and is owed a $5 million base salary. It's hard to imagine the Cowboys keeping both receivers for a combined $17.25 million. Glenn would probably be more amenable to restructuring his deal and comes with less headaches.
Source: Dallas Morning News

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2675

 

[Doomsday]

Because Roy played well this year??

Please destroy your credibility a little more....

At times Roy played fantastic, other times he struggled but he didnt suck all year. That is an ignorant statement in my opinion.

I blame most of it on the coaching staff and lack of a FS. One of my biggest issues with this staff is they dont tweak thier system to fit their players, they try and tweak the players to fit their system. We saw it all year with Roy and TO to name 2 players that were not used correctly.

 

[LatinMind]

I said a #2 at BEST...that means that is probably his ceiling and if all went well...I never said he would be a good #2.

I think he will make his bread and butter in this league as a #3 myself and there is nothing wrong with that.

But the bottom line IMO is that he is the type of player that could be easily replaced in this league. A number 3 possession WR.

I think you may actually have better upside in someone like Hurd and Austin.

I would not be opposed to signing him back to the team, but I do not think it is a priority.

i like crayton but the guy isnt very talented or fast. i think we have seen crayton peak, while hurd hasnt even begun to tap his potential. working with owens is doing hurd a big service tho. and on austin, me i dont see anything special about him. before he ran back that td, he had a fumble in 3 games straight on kickoffs. me i think he's a waste of a roster spot. but im not a coach and nobody see's what happens in practice.

all i know is if owens or glenn are out for any serious time, with crayton hurd and austin as the primary backups, the season would be history.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Terry Glenn is due a $5 million roster bonus in March.

T.O. is due $3 million in June and is owed a $5 million base salary. It's hard to imagine the Cowboys keeping both receivers for a combined $17.25 million. Glenn would probably be more amenable to restructuring his deal and comes with less headaches.
Source: Dallas Morning News

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2675

IF and this is a big IF...there were WRs available in FA that would be as good or an upgrade than I could see one of them leaving.

IF we had a plan to move up in the draft and get a Calvin J...I could see it as an idea.

However I don't see any WR FA's at this point that would be equal or an upgrade to TO and Terry.

I also don't see us moving up in the draft..and since I could only see us taking a WR like Calvin in the first, I don't think we take a WR at all in the first.

Look, don't misunderstand me. I don't like TO, never wanted him on the team and he annoys me. Would love to see him off the team. But when you have no viable replacement, I just don't see it happening.

Futhermore Jerry has made it very clear they are staying and I don't think it is double talk either. When he tells the host STOP THIS CRAP and gets that testy, which is rare for him, it tells me he is telling the truth.

 

[Doomsday]

You wouldn't need him to. He'd be your #3 next year.

I suppose Crayton is going to slide right in for Glenn and a rookie is going to take over for Crayton. Sure no problem sounds like a really well thought out plan for a team that was at times the most potent offense in the NFL. In case you didnt pick up on it that was sarcasm. lol

 

[aikemirv]

How often do rookie WRs come in and have 1000 yards and 7 TDs?

I am not saying he is replaceable, I am saying that with/if he has a bad knee condition you are in a tough spot and you could try to get a decent FA pickup and draft a 1st round guy instead if that made the best economical sense and was best for the Cowboys future.

Or renegotiate the bonus.

 

[BigDave95]

At times Roy played fantastic, other times he struggled but he didnt suck all year. That is an ignorant statement in my opinion.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. I think it's ignorant to say he played fantastic during any reasonable stretch of time this year. He struggled consistently the whole season.

I think you're correct on the reason WHY he struggled but that doesn't change the fact that he did.

 

[LatinMind]

IF and this is a big IF...there were WRs available in FA that would be as good or an upgrade than I could see one of them leaving.

IF we had a plan to move up in the draft and get a Calvin J...I could see it as an idea.

However I don't see any WR FA's at this point that would be equal or an upgrade to TO and Terry.

I also don't see us moving up in the draft..and since I could only see us taking a WR like Calvin in the first, I don't think we take a WR at all in the first.

Look, don't misunderstand me. I don't like TO, never wanted him on the team and he annoys me. Would love to see him off the team. But when you have no viable replacement, I just don't see it happening.

Futhermore Jerry has made it very clear they are staying and I don't think it is double talk either. When he tells the host STOP THIS CRAP and gets that testy, which is rare for him, it tells me he is telling the truth.

i see a guy like kevin curtis being able to replace a guy like glenn.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

i see a guy like kevin curtis being able to replace a guy like glenn.

I am not sure myself.

Glenn is much better IMO than many give credit for.

Of course he is not as good as some that think he is the best ever, but I still think he has some of the best hands and route running abilities in the league.

Plus he still has decent speed for a WR his age.

The one area of Terry that does worry me is his penchant for getting injured.

He has very few seasons where he does not miss time/games.

 

[LatinMind]

I am not sure myself.

Glenn is much better IMO than many give credit for.

Of course he is not as good as some that think he is the best ever, but I still think he has some of the best hands and route running abilities in the league.

Plus he still has decent speed for a WR his age.

The one area of Terry that does worry me is his penchant for getting injured.

He has very few seasons where he does not miss time/games.

yeah theres no doubt he's better, but the routes glenn runs are basically curtis bread and butter in st louis. me i just think if that option came along, i would hope they would consider it. this team has to get young sooner or later.

 

[BigDave95]

IF and this is a big IF...there were WRs available in FA that would be as good or an upgrade than I could see one of them leaving.

IF we had a plan to move up in the draft and get a Calvin J...I could see it as an idea.

However I don't see any WR FA's at this point that would be equal or an upgrade to TO and Terry.

I also don't see us moving up in the draft..and since I could only see us taking a WR like Calvin in the first, I don't think we take a WR at all in the first.

Look, don't misunderstand me. I don't like TO, never wanted him on the team and he annoys me. Would love to see him off the team. But when you have no viable replacement, I just don't see it happening.

Futhermore Jerry has made it very clear they are staying and I don't think it is double talk either. When he tells the host STOP THIS CRAP and gets that testy, which is rare for him, it tells me he is telling the truth.

This is a VERY deep draft for WR's. Calvin Johnson isn't the only guy there who could be a #1. Dwayne Jarret, Ted Ginn, Sidney Rice, or Jeff Samardzija could all be good picks at #23 (keeping in mind we've seen no combine numbers and that could all change).

And people keep referencing Jerry's comments about keeping them both. He said IMMEDIATELY after that that he'd say the same thing about ANY player on the roster. He admitted they were empty words because it was so early in the offseason.