When do we get our QB?

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kartr said:
Exactly, we should take Jacobs at 18, he's more accurate and a better decision-maker. I don't why everyone has fallen for Cutler, he's this years Kyle Boller.
I would rather have Cutler, but we won't have a shot at him in the second.
 

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Chopped liver in College that split time with Henson. Ya never know on a QB. Brady was a steal, but coming out he was chopped liver. He cooked up fine though. Just think if Cleveland would of taken Ricky Williams and the Eagles ended up with "THE QB" of that draft Tim Couch.
 

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I guess Brady is chopped liver?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Im a big Tedford fan at the college level, look what he did for the Ducks. But his QB's fail at the professional level. Just look at his track record. Has nothing to do with Brady at all
 

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Romo has the best opportunity, But will Parcels give him any playing time, we have no back up with any game experieince what so ever,,,,another Parcels gamble.. First it was the 2004 CB's, Hunter, N. Jones and Reeves. The cowboys paid for that. 2005 it was the OL hopeing FLO and Pettiti was good for 16 games, The cowboys paid for that, 2006 if Bledose goes down do we have a Cris Sims, Brad Johnson to step in and keep the ball rolling...I don't think so, But thats the gamble
 

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Bigdog24 said:
Romo has the best opportunity, But will Parcels give him any playing time, we have no back up with any game experieince what so ever,,,,another Parcels gamble.. First it was the 2004 CB's, Hunter, N. Jones and Reeves. The cowboys paid for that. 2005 it was the OL hopeing FLO and Pettiti was good for 16 games, The cowboys paid for that, 2006 if Bledose goes down do we have a Cris Sims, Brad Johnson to step in and keep the ball rolling...I don't think so, But thats the gamble

If we had Brad Johnson here, Bledsoe would be the backup.
 

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JIGGYFLY said:

Very possible IMO. Johnson has certainly made a statement in Minnesota IMO. He has done everything Parcells asks for in a QB and he's done it when it counted IMO, under very difficult circumstances. What's more, he did it without one 1000 yard receiver (Travis Taylor 50 catches for 604 yards was tops), without a 1000 yard rusher (Mewelde Moore 662 yards and 1 TD was tops) and the 21st ranked defense in the league.

Not bad at all IMO.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Very possible IMO. Johnson has certainly made a statement in Minnesota IMO. He has done everything Parcells asks for in a QB and he's done it when it counted IMO, under very difficult circumstances. What's more, he did it without one 1000 yard receiver (Travis Taylor 50 catches for 604 yards was tops), without a 1000 yard rusher (Mewelde Moore 662 yards and 1 TD was tops) and the 21st ranked defense in the league.

Not bad at all IMO.
I think you have to Look at the big picture when looking at what Johnson did in Minnesoto, did he beat a team with a winning record during his run? one the Giants and all scores were special teams. Johnson had a much better O-line and more weapons to work with than Bledsoe and I am no fan of Bledsoe but i think he would have done just as much or better than Johnson if he was in Minnesota IMO.
 

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JIGGYFLY said:
Johnson had a much better O-line and more weapons to work with than Bledsoe and I am no fan of Bledsoe but i think he would have done just as much or better than Johnson if he was in Minnesota IMO.

Negative. The minute Bledsoe stepped on the field the Minnesota OL would go from bad to worse.
 

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Brad had good games against Cleveland, Detroit (twice), Baltimore, and Chicago (with no starters). Their six game win streak, came against the likes of Det (twice), NYG (we know what a miracle that was, and how little Brad had to do with it), GB, CLE, STL. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not blown away by performances against the worst teams in the league.

On the plus side, I believe he is the only QB in the league whose last name starts with 'J', so that's something, at least.
 

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CowboyManDan said:
That thought has entered my head too. But we do know that he likes Romo too.

The thing is, no matter what his plan is with these 2 QBs, I don't trust Parcells QB judgement like I do his RB judgement. Beside drafting and going with Bledsoe in New England, he initially picked Scott Brunner over Phil Simms. He went with Testaverde in NY (an average 75.2 career rated qb with 261 career ints and losses everywhere in the nfl besides a season or two). That's not a track record like his RB evaluation has been.

He drafted Pennington too.
 

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Kilyin said:
Negative. The minute Bledsoe stepped on the field the Minnesota OL would go from bad to worse.
I also think Bledsoe is a sack waiting to happen but the guy did do some good things this and I think he is a better qb than Johnson, but thats only slightly better than saying Bledsoe is the answer because he is the best QB we have had since aikman :rolleyes:.
 

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It's not like Brad Johnson never gets sacked. The book on him is almost the same as Bledsoe. This year, Johnson was sacked once every 12.8 pass attempts, Bledsoe's ratio was once every 10.2 pass attempts. During Minnesota's run, they played some of the worst sack teams in the league. Det-24, GB-20, Cle, 32. Bledsoe would start over Johnson on any team, IMO.
 

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JIGGYFLY said:
I think you have to Look at the big picture when looking at what Johnson did in Minnesoto, did he beat a team with a winning record during his run? one the Giants and all scores were special teams. Johnson had a much better O-line and more weapons to work with than Bledsoe and I am no fan of Bledsoe but i think he would have done just as much or better than Johnson if he was in Minnesota IMO.

I don't know how you could come to these conclusions. Beat the Giants and beat Chicago, two pretty good teams. Also, it's not like he had great output offensively from anybody on that team. He doesn't have better WRs IMO. He doesn't have better runningbacks, he doesn't have a better TE and his OL is not anything to get excited over this year. Kick in a defense that wasn't nearly as good and I gotta say the proof is in the pudding. Brad Johnson had a better year, IMO.
 

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It's not like Brad Johnson never gets sacked. The book on him is almost the same as Bledsoe. This year, Johnson was sacked once every 12.8 pass attempts, Bledsoe's ratio was once every 10.2 pass attempts. During Minnesota's run, they played some of the worst sack teams in the league. Det-24, GB-20, Cle, 32. Bledsoe would start over Johnson on any team, IMO.


This is not true. The book on Bledsoe is that he holds the ball to long. The book on Johnson is that he gets rid of the ball quickly. Not the same at all.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
This is not true. The book on Bledsoe is that he holds the ball to long. The book on Johnson is that he gets rid of the ball quickly. Not the same at all.

And Johnson can throw the short to intermediate routes extremely well. Bledsoe leaves alot to be desired there.
 

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Kilyin said:
And Johnson can throw the short to intermediate routes extremely well. Bledsoe leaves alot to be desired there.


Johnson is not spectacular, by any means but he is efficiant in what he can do. Doesn't have the ability to throw down field like Bledsoe but your right, he throws short and intermediate very well.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't know how you could come to these conclusions. Beat the Giants and beat Chicago, two pretty good teams. Also, it's not like he had great output offensively from anybody on that team. He doesn't have better WRs IMO. He doesn't have better runningbacks, he doesn't have a better TE and his OL is not anything to get excited over this year. Kick in a defense that wasn't nearly as good and I gotta say the proof is in the pudding. Brad Johnson had a better year, IMO.
They scored no touchdowns by the offense against the giants and beat the bears in a game were they had nothing to play for. The receivers are about even but they have much more depth all or most of there receivers were considered number 1 at various points in careers. the running backs are better than what we have here in Dallas up to this point they have a couple of thousand yard rushers we potentially have better backs but they have not proven it yet. Minnesota has always been considered to have one of the better O-lines you might not want to beleive that but overall minnesota has much better talent on offense than we do. I bet if you took a poll of this board most would agree with me.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't know how you could come to these conclusions. Beat the Giants and beat Chicago, two pretty good teams.

Oh come on.

The Giants imploded - Eli threw 4 picks (1 returned for a TD) and the Vikes had 2 special teams TDs. Johnson was 18/31 144 yards. Yawn.

And the Bears were in rest up mode for the playoffs.

Other than that Johnson beat Green Bay, Cleveland, Detroit and St. Louis.

I like Johnson, I always have, but lets not over-rate him.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
This is not true. The book on Bledsoe is that he holds the ball to long. The book on Johnson is that he gets rid of the ball quickly. Not the same at all.

Huh? He's a non-mobile QB who will stand there and take the hit. Brad Johnson hangs in there for the play just as long as Bledsoe does. I saw him alot when he played for the Deadskins, and the biggest knock on him was that he wouldn't get rid of the ball. Just because this year, in a dumbed down short-pass offense, he got rid of the ball, doesn't make it a trend.
 
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