When do we get our QB?

[ABQCOWBOY]

They scored no touchdowns by the offense against the giants and beat the bears in a game were they had nothing to play for. The receivers are about even but they have much more depth all or most of there receivers were considered number 1 at various points in careers. the running backs are better than what we have here in Dallas up to this point they have a couple of thousand yard rushers we potentially have better backs but they have not proven it yet. Minnesota has always been considered to have one of the better O-lines you might not want to beleive that but overall minnesota has much better talent on offense than we do. I bet if you took a poll of this board most would agree with me.

How many games did he lose? How many games did he cost them? I think your going to have to explain to me how Minnesota's WRs and ours are about the same.

Taylor 50 catches for 604 yards 4 TDs
Robinson 31 Catches for 515 yards 5 TDs
Burleson 30 Catches for 328 yards 1 TD
Williamson 24 Catches for 372 yards 2 TDs
K. Robinson 22 Catches for 347 yards 1 TD
Kleinsasser 22 Catches for 171 yards 0 TDs

Glenn 62 catches for 1136 yards 7 TDs
Johnson 71 catches for 839 yards 6 TDs
Crayton 22 catches for 341 yards 2 TDs
Jones 35 Catches for 218 yards 0 TDs
Barber 18 catches for 115 yards 0 TDs
Witten 66 catches for 757 yards 6 TDs

Moore 155 carries 662 yards 1 TD Best season he's ever had.
Bennett 126 carries 473 yards 2 TDs 1 thousand yard season his entire career.
Fason didn't play.
Echemandu didn't carry the ball at all last season.

Jones 257 carries 993 yards 5 TDs Best season ever.
Barber 138 carries 538 yards 5 TDs Rookie Season.
Thompson 46 carries 182 yards 0 TDs Rookie season.
Thomas 36 carries 80 yards 0 TDs in limited season.

Minnesota was:
25th overall.
27th rushing.
20th passing.
19th Scoring.

We were:
13th overall.
13th rushing.
15th passing.
15th Scoring.

Minnesota's offensive line gave up 54 sacks last year.

Ours gave up 49.

Bledsoe's QB rating ended at 83.7. He ended the season with a 9-7 record.


Johnson's QB rating ended at 88.9 He ended the season with a 7-2 record.

I'm affraid I just can not agree with you.

 

[Kilyin]

Minnesota's offensive line gave up 54 sacks last year.

And I think Culpepper caused about 37 of those before his knee got turned into pudding.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Huh? He's a non-mobile QB who will stand there and take the hit. Brad Johnson hangs in there for the play just as long as Bledsoe does. I saw him alot when he played for the Deadskins, and the biggest knock on him was that he wouldn't get rid of the ball. Just because this year, in a dumbed down short-pass offense, he got rid of the ball, doesn't make it a trend.

No, he gets sacked, that's true but he gets rid of the ball much quicker. The offense you run with him is designed around that because that's his strength. If you force him to play in a vertical offense, you'll see more sacks. If you play to his strengths, he is very effective.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And I think Culpepper caused about 37 of those before his knee got turned into pudding.

Possibly but the ratio didn't improve with Johnson. 23 sacks is still 2.5 a game. There OL was not good last year. Every offensive statistic bears that out. I just think it's hard to look at our season last year and face the truth for many fans. Minnesota might have beaten bad teams and the Giants might have lost by a fluke and the Bears might have sat people but with nothing to play for, he went 7-2 beating the teams he was supposed to beat, beating the Giants, a team that some might say we got lucky beating the first time and then got desicrated by with the division title on the line. He might have got lucky against the Bears in the last game of the season but he beat them 34-10 while we dumped it against a 6-10 team. I mean, to me, he didn't lose a game for them. We can't say that about Bledsoe.

 

[kartr]

I would rather have Cutler, but we won't have a shot at him in the second.

Can you explain why you think Cutler will be better than Jacobs?

 

[kartr]

I want Quinn

Why. He's only had one good year. Jacobs has thrown 71 tds the last 2 years against like 10-12 ints. He doesn't have the receivers or backs or linemen that Quinn has either. He's played well against the Big Ten and Big Twelve opponents too.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why. He's only had one good year. Jacobs has thrown 71 tds the last 2 years against like 10-12 ints. He doesn't have the receivers or backs or linemen that Quinn has either. He's played well against the Big Ten and Big Twelve opponents too.

Jacobs also played in a style of offense that is wide open pass happy offense, if all one did was look at college numbers then Andrea Ware would have been outstanding but it was more the system he played in than his own true talent. Not saying Jacobs will be a bad QB but yes scouts have some major question marks on him as far as I have seen.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why. He's only had one good year. Jacobs has thrown 71 tds the last 2 years against like 10-12 ints. He doesn't have the receivers or backs or linemen that Quinn has either. He's played well against the Big Ten and Big Twelve opponents too.

I too would rather have Quinn too. Keep in mind that Quinn had an unbelievable year at ND in his first year in the offense. It's a the same offense we run. I would also say that Quinn didn't have unbelievable talent either. He had some good players but not like ND has had in the past. To me, Quinn is absolutly the best fit for us from QB perspective.

 

[followthestar]

if you think the future isn't now, you're not thinking like Parcells. we made the playoffs his first year, then regressed, then this year we shoulda/woulda/coulda. we are virtually guaranteed a playoff berth next season and for several seasons to come, because we already have our franchise QB. its Bledsoe, at least until Parcells leaves, and maybe even beyond that... Henson will end up starting if he still wears a star by then...

 

[The30YardSlant]

The problem is not our QBs, its the fact that all of our O-Linemen attended the Torrin Tucker school of pass blocking:

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[ABQCOWBOY]

Huh? He's a non-mobile QB who will stand there and take the hit. Brad Johnson hangs in there for the play just as long as Bledsoe does. I saw him alot when he played for the Deadskins, and the biggest knock on him was that he wouldn't get rid of the ball. Just because this year, in a dumbed down short-pass offense, he got rid of the ball, doesn't make it a trend.

Yeah, your right. He's only a 14 year vet that has a career QB rating of 84.4, 61.9 Comp% lifetime and a TD/INT ration of plus 53. Since 1996, when he became a starter, he's only posted QB rating seasons of 89.4, 84.5, 89.0, 90.0, 75.7, 77.7, 92.9, 81.5, 79.5 and 88.9. Never thrown for less then 60% completion percentage in all those years and has only had one season (2000 Skinz) in which he's thrown more INTs then TDs (15 to 11). Incidently, he's also QB'd a team to a SuperBowl Victory. No, he has no business being discussed and for that, I appoligize.

 

[Frosty]

Bledsoe will be here as long as Parcels is here, But all QB's are one hit away from season ending injury. It happened to Bledsoe as a Patriot, Look at Carson Palmer and the Bengals.. Can Romo step in with no game time experieince and move this team into the playoffs or will the ship sink due to inexperienced QB... maybe the cowboys need a backup QB with experience....

 

[CowboyExpress]

We can continue toying around with guys who are at the end of their career, but to be successful and with todays parity, we need to go with someone who is gonna be around for more than 1 to 2 years.

I disagree with your "parity" notion. In fact I believe because of parity the need for a "franchise quarterback" diminishes. You can build a team around a vetern to compete one-three years in today's league. The "parity" keeps most teams in it and also stops any one team from being dominate for a long period of time. And by no means has a franchise quarterback ever guarenteed anything to any team, the examples are endless and throughout the history of the NFL. It might make it easier fighting that parity with a longstanding quarterback to rely on but it by no means guarentees anything, you're still fighting up hill at every position against this ever-changing parity this league has become.

And that is one big risk betting the farm on one particular guy like say a Vince Young to move up and get him. For how long and in how many different ways does a trade like that handicap you in other areas of your team?

I'm a fan of drafting one if you're in place to draft one, but no other way. The price is just way too high for hope. And hope is all one can truly have where a young undeveloped college player is concerned. If we were going to go for one I'd be a bigger fan of picking up a young free agent.. A Chris Simms for instance or a Drew Brees. May cost more but atleast you know more of what you're getting for your investment and the waiting isn't there as much. I just don't feel like holding my breath for 2-3 years while a could be would be hopeful tries to gain his nfl feet.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Yeah, your right. He's only a 14 year vet that has a career QB rating of 84.4, 61.9 Comp% lifetime and a TD/INT ration of plus 53. Since 1996, when he became a starter, he's only posted QB rating seasons of 89.4, 84.5, 89.0, 90.0, 75.7, 77.7, 92.9, 81.5, 79.5 and 88.9. Never thrown for less then 60% completion percentage in all those years and has only had one season (2000 Skinz) in which he's thrown more INTs then TDs (15 to 11). Incidently, he's also QB'd a team to a SuperBowl Victory. No, he has no business being discussed and for that, I appoligize.

I like Brad Johnson and I feel he does some things better than Bledsoe he is a much better decision maker, but I feel Bledsoe would have done the same thing Johnson did going against the teams that he did. IMO

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like Brad Johnson and I feel he does some things better than Bledsoe he is a much better decision maker, but I feel Bledsoe would have done the same thing Johnson did going against the teams that he did. IMO

I can respect that. I believe that Johnson is a better decision maker with less big play ability. For our situation last year, I think that probably would have been better for us. Having said that, neither would be my choice for QB but it is what it is.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Bledsoe's QB rating ended at 83.7. He ended the season with a 9-7 record.


Johnson's QB rating ended at 88.9 He ended the season with a 7-2 record.

I'm affraid I just can not agree with you.

Bledsoe was 7-3 after 10 games with a high 80s rating. Pretty much the same as Johnson. Rating and record went down after Flo's injury. Can't really compare 9 games to 16 anyway. Too many variables in a full season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bledsoe was 7-3 after 10 games with a high 80s rating. Pretty much the same as Johnson. Rating and record went down after Flo's injury. Can't really compare 9 games to 16 anyway. Too many variables in a full season.

You can compare them IMO. Both QBs lost players critical to each others success. You can look at how each player performed once they were put in that situation. We lost Adams, that's true but that was really the only player that we didn't have on our OL for the season. I will admit he was a critical piece but lets look at Minnesota as well.

There starters were Marcus Johnson, Adam Goldberg, Melvin Flowers, Anthoney Herrera and Bryant McKinnie. Of the starters, here's how they went last season.

Johnson, RT 8 games started.
Goldberg RG 12 games started.
Fowler C 9 games started.
Herrera LG 6 games started.
McKinnie 16 games started.

So you see, it's not as if Minnesota had a great situation on there OL for Johnson to work with either.