When exactly was Dallas supposed to run the clock out?

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Did we not, presumably, have our running success early by using the exact same strategy that we did at the end of the game? Run when the look is favorable, pass when it's not? Have we ever shown any ability to put a man on a man and run the ball down the other team's throat like the 49ers. Uh, no.
 

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And how did that plan work out for you? Was it successful? Has it been successful with any regularity this season?

But you still defend it...

It was successful vs the Giants a few weeks ago. It was successful vs the Vikings before that.

Now, how often has it worked out for us to trust our defense to close the game out?
 

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They went on 2 long scoring drives and that is not good enough? Why does it matter if it's a run or pass if you moving the chains? That's not a good argument.

They went on two long scoring drives in two quarters. That's your argument?
 

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It was successful vs the Giants a few weeks ago. It was successful vs the Vikings before that.

Now, how often has it worked out for us to trust our defense to close the game out?

Who has said anything bout trusting the defense. I am actually saying exactly the opposite. I am talking about keeping the defense off the field. You're reaching.
 

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48 passes....18 runs.

STOP

I don't care how you word it, I don't care how you try to spin it, I don't care how you ask it.

NO!

This is what coaches in the NFL make millions to do. They manage these situations and ensure that the team is in the best position to win. That is all
 

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Hahahah... remember the Cowboys-Patriots game in 2011? When we ran 3 straight times, punted, and Tom Brady marched down the field to beat us?

Remember the reaction from fans after the game? How Garrett was a spineless wuss who didn't trust his QB to close the game out?

I do.
Yea, the difference is that the Patriots are lead by Tom Brady, and the Cowboys chose to air it out during the entire second half.
 

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And how did that plan work out for you? Was it successful? Has it been successful with any regularity this season?

But you still defend it...

The proof is in the pudding.
yesterday it did not work...but it came MUCH closer to working than any plan this defense has rolled out in years. Romo has 20+ game winning drives...tell me how many games this defense has closed out. The floor is yours
 

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Did we not, presumably, have our running success early by using the exact same strategy that we did at the end of the game? Run when the look is favorable, pass when it's not? Have we ever shown any ability to put a man on a man and run the ball down the other team's throat like the 49ers. Uh, no.

They were stacking the box the entire first half. That's why there was single coverage all over the place.
 

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yesterday it did not work...but it came MUCH closer to working than any plan this defense has rolled out in years. Romo has 20+ game winning drives...tell me how many games this defense has close out. The floor is yours

Show me where I said anything about the defense closing the game? It's like you're arguing with yourself.
 

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ESPN guys, I think Schefter, just had a good point... We ran the ball more in the first half than we did in the second half, even though we obviously had a huge lead after halftime.

And the Packers ran the ball more than we did in the second half even though they were down 26-3.

How often have we heard from RJ that we had no choice but to pass it when we got down 10 in the second quarter? Bet Packer fans are glad McCarthy didn't get that memo.

The overall run/pass ratio wasn't very good, but that's not what the OP is talking about. You don't "run out the clock" in the 3rd quarter, especially with this D. He's just referring to our last few drives when the clock was truly a factor.

It was funny hearing Aikman and Buck lament the play-calling after the drive late in the 3rd because we called 3 straight pass plays. If Murray doesn't drop the ball on 1st down, that's basically a "run" because we gain a few yards and keep the clock moving. And even if we DID run it once on that drive, that only kills about 35 seconds and we were still in the 3rd quarter.
 

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To look at it in simplistic terms, I think you have to come out of the half thinking, "They need 4 touchdowns to come back and take the lead." So that means they'll get 4 drives and you'll get 4 drives. Even if you don't get a 1st down once in the whole second half, you can burn up about 4 minutes per drive if you don't stop the clock. That's 16 minutes of a 30 minute half. That leaves them with 14 minutes to score 4 touchdowns. I know this math doesn't account for uncontrollable circumstances, but you have to come out of the half with some kind of plan to use up the clock and maintain a 4 TD lead.
 

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Hahahah... remember the Cowboys-Patriots game in 2011? When we ran 3 straight times, punted, and Tom Brady marched down the field to beat us?

Remember the reaction from fans after the game? How Garrett was a spineless wuss who didn't trust his QB to close the game out?

I do.
I was livid after that game. Pats were riding a 22 game homw win streak..and we decided to see of the MOST clutch QB in NFL history could lead his team on a game winning drive in his own backyard. Like that was a CHALLENGE for him. Garrett wanted no parts as an o-coordinator of having to close that game out. The play was open yesterday...Romo missed it. It happens. But I am not mad he tried. We all KNEW what would happen if the defense was called on to win the game for us.
 

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Who has said anything bout trusting the defense. I am actually saying exactly the opposite. I am talking about keeping the defense off the field. You're reaching.

Hahaha "keeping the defense off the field" is always the objective. We tried to do that by throwing the ball instead of running into a 10-in-the-box wall. Are you assuming we'd have picked up the 1st down by running right into the teeth of their D when they're selling out hard for the run?
 

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Can anyone give me this info... How many incomplete passes did we have in the second half? Multiply those incompletions by 40 (since the play clock is about 40 seconds). That's how much time you could have burned up if you ran it instead of passed it.
 

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LMAO!

Anyone trying to explain, at all, the piss poor decision making of throwing that many times in a game when you're running game is killing them is crazy.

The coaching yesterday was stupid as ever and stupid coaching breeds stupid players. It's why this franchise can't win.

Yuuuuuuuuuuuup.
 

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Who has said anything bout trusting the defense. I am actually saying exactly the opposite. I am talking about keeping the defense off the field. You're reaching.
You keep the defense off the field by getting first downs. You were not RUNNING for a first down with 10 in the box. If you wanted to run...put 4 WRs on the field and spread them out. Play call was perfect...throw was off a little.
 

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And the 10 play 80, not 90, yard drive, wouldn't have succeeded at all if not for a couple bad penalties - that were borderline - by the packers.

Plus, it took less than 5 minutes of the clock. Run the ball, and you take a lot more time off.

On that drive, after getting 1st and 5 after the Dez holding penalty, the Cowboys went shotgun and threw the ball 4 straight times. Even though it ended up working out, there's no way you should ever do that with a 5 point lead. Especially when the two other carries on the drive went for 5 and 15 yards. Absolutely inexcusable.
 
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