When exactly was Dallas supposed to run the clock out?

[Nightman]

Hahaha "keeping the defense off the field" is always the objective. We tried to do that by throwing the ball instead of running into a 10-in-the-box wall. Are you assuming we'd have picked up the 1st down by running right into the teeth of their D when they're selling out hard for the run?

Dallas got a huge first down by throwing to Dez two plays before the INT. Moving the chains is more important than just slamming into the line to run clock.

 

[Stash]

48 passes....18 runs.

STOP

I don't care how you word it, I don't care how you try to spin it, I don't care how you ask it.

NO!

This.

We're done here.

 

[Nightman]

And the 10 play 80, not 90, yard drive, wouldn't have succeeded at all if not for a couple bad penalties - that were borderline - by the packers.

Plus, it took less than 5 minutes of the clock. Run the ball, and you take a lot more time off.

On that drive, after getting 1st and 5 after the Dez holding penalty, the Cowboys went shotgun and threw the ball 4 straight times. Even though it ended up working out, there's no way you should ever do that with a 5 point lead. Especially when the two other carries on the drive went for 5 and 15 yards. Absolutely inexcusable.

You are really complaining about a 10 play 90 yd(there was a 10yd holding penalty) TD drive because they didn't take more than 5 minutes off the clock. Wow!!

 

[DOUBLE WING]

You are preaching now. After that debacle in Detroit...I said I would rather lose TRYING to win....as opposed to lose trying not to lose. This team will go as far as Romo will take it. When Romo leads us on game winning drives (which he does)...everyone is happy. When he throws a pick (which he does) everyone is sad. Romo et al were livid with doing EXACTLY what everyone claims we should have done against Detroit. Becauese we were playing to turn the ball back over to the defense and ask them to close out a game. This defense CANNOT close out a game. So Romo tried to WIN It...and you are right...if the ball is further out in front of Miles...he probably score and we win. So I am not complaining. Because I HATE when we play give up football. Miles was OPEN. Better execution and NO ONE is talking about we should have run against 10 in the box for a 1 yard gain!

Are you implying that running the ball more, when we were averaging 7.6 yards per carry, could somehow be considered playing "not to lose"? That's a pretty asinine statement. Seems like running the ball more there would have really been playing to win the game.

To answer the question -- yes, when you get the ball with a minute left in the third quarter, and somehow punt the ball BEFORE the end of the third quarter, you're doing something drastically wrong. I don't care that Murray dropped an easy pass. They never should have been passing to begin with. You run the ball there and A.) You get into the fourth quarter and milk at least 2 minutes off the clock and B.) probably get a first down anyway considering how well Murray was running.

Then, when we get the ball with 4 minutes left an a 36-31 lead, we throw 4 times and run once.

The game was right there for the taking and Garrett bungled it. AGAIN.

 

[Nightman]

This.

We're done here.

That's just silly. They got 36 points with that ratio. But the defense takes no blame.

 

[Future]

You are really complaining about a 10 play 90 yd(there was a 10yd holding penalty) TD drive because they didn't take more than 5 minutes off the clock. Wow!!

No, I'm referencing the OP who said that there weren't opportunities to run the ball. You could have run the ball three times in a row after the 1st and 5, taken an extra minute or two off the clock, and gone from there. There's no reason to think that we were more likely to score passing than running the football.

The drive started from the 20. That's an 80 yard drive. I don't care if Tony got a 15 yard penalty for dry humping the ref. That woudln't make it a 95 yarder.

 

[Nightman]

Are you implying that running the ball more, when we were averaging 7.6 yards per carry, could somehow be considered playing "not to lose"? That's a pretty asinine statement. Seems like running the ball more there would have really been playing to win the game.

To answer the question -- yes, when you get the ball with a minute left in the third quarter, and somehow punt the ball BEFORE the end of the third quarter, you're doing something drastically wrong. I don't care that Murray dropped an easy pass. They never should have been passing to begin with. You run the ball there and A.) You get into the fourth quarter and milk at least 2 minutes off the clock and B.) probably get a first down anyway considering how well Murray was running.

Then, when we get the ball with 4 minutes left an a 36-31 lead, we throw 4 times and run once.

The game was right there for the taking and Garrett bungled it. AGAIN.

So they shouldn't throw the ball in the second half if they have a lead. Got it.

 

[Nightman]

No, I'm referencing the OP who said that there weren't opportunities to run the ball. You could have run the ball three times in a row after the 1st and 5, taken an extra minute or two off the clock, and gone from there. There's no reason to think that we were more likely to score passing than running the football.

The drive started from the 20. That's an 80 yard drive. I don't care if Tony got a 15 yard penalty for dry humping the ref. That woudln't make it a 95 yarder.

SORRY, Espn box score listed it as a 90 yd drive, huge mistake.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I just looked at the play-by-play of the second half. It seems like Romo only had 4 incomplete passes before the final drive when Dallas needed to win. All I'm saying is, the majority of those passes were completions so the clock kept running. Had we ran every play, we only would have burned up an extra 2 minutes of play clock. Just saying...

 

[Future]

I just looked at the play-by-play of the second half. It seems like Romo only had 4 incomplete passes before the final drive when Dallas needed to win. All I'm saying is, the majority of those passes were completions so the clock kept running. Had we ran every play, we only would have burned up an extra 2 minutes of play clock. Just saying...

GB scored to take the lead with 1:31 remaining.

Overlooking 2 minutes like that is exactly what plagues this team.

Not to mention the fact that more ball control would have made them completely one dimensional, taking Lacy out of the game and making it much easier on our defense to try to get a stop.

 

[Nightman]

GB scored to take the lead with 1:31 remaining.

Overlooking 2 minutes like that is exactly what plagues this team.

Not to mention the fact that more ball control would have made them completely one dimensional, taking Lacy out of the game and making it much easier on our defense to try to get a stop.

And if Dallas hadn't scored on either of those drives, GB would've had the lead early in the 4th.

 

[Nav22]

The bottom line is that when something works, fans are happy and coaches are praised. When something doesn't work, fans are unhappy and coaches are criticized.

The truth is that it's mostly on the players. If they execute, the play-call works, and the coaches look like geniuses. If Romo hits Miles with an accurate pass and we move the chains, we win and the fans are happy. The overall run/pass ratio may still have been questioned, but nobody would be complaining about the pass that iced the game.

When we played at the Giants this year, we passed on 3rd down to move the chains when we were already in FG range. The result? Romo hits Beasley for the 1st down which allowed us to run the clock down and end the game on Bailey's field goal. Did anyone complain about the pass call there? Didn't think so. Oh, but if Romo's pass to Bailey was picked off and returned for a TD? Then Garrett/Callahan are idiots who need to be fired immediately.

Opening day 2007, Cowboys host the Giants. Cowboys up 38-35 with the ball and 3 minutes left... Giants are selling out to stop the run. There are 1-on-1's outside with no safety help. Romo hits Sam Hurd on a slant and Hurd breaks free for a long, game-clinching touchdown. Cowboys win 45-35. Never heard a single complaint about that play-call.

 

[Nav22]

GB scored to take the lead with 1:31 remaining.

Overlooking 2 minutes like that is exactly what plagues this team.

Not to mention the fact that more ball control would have made them completely one dimensional, taking Lacy out of the game and making it much easier on our defense to try to get a stop.

Haha... so we shouldn't have passed at all in the 2nd half (even though Romo was shredding GB in the 1st half) because an incompletion stops the clock?

 

[AdamJT13]

Hahaha "keeping the defense off the field" is always the objective. We tried to do that by throwing the ball instead of running into a 10-in-the-box wall. Are you assuming we'd have picked up the 1st down by running right into the teeth of their D when they're selling out hard for the run?

You realize it was only second down, right? We didn't need to pick up a first down on that play.

 

[texbumthelife]

You realize it was only second down, right? We didn't need to pick up a first down on that play.

Whoa whoa whoa, you stop with all that logic!

 

[TINGS21]

Hahaha "keeping the defense off the field" is always the objective. We tried to do that by throwing the ball instead of running into a 10-in-the-box wall. Are you assuming we'd have picked up the 1st down by running right into the teeth of their D when they're selling out hard for the run?

They had 10 in the box because every other team in that position with that kind of lead would be running the ball.
When its 3rd and 10 and your down multiple scores in the 2nd half and the D is running a Dime/Nickle package you dont audible into a run play do you? We did exactly what the Packers wanted us to do without even making them prove they could stop the run. Make them prove they can stop DM on 1st and 2nd down and then throw the ball maybe. No, instead we just throw up the white flag just because they stack the box. 7.5 ypc tells me that we could have probably done ok even with extra guys at the line

 

[Nightman]

You realize it was only second down, right? We didn't need to pick up a first down on that play.

And a run only forces GB to use a timeout, little time runs off. Then it's 3rd down, another run off tackle run and Dallas has to punt before the 2 minute warning. Nothing changes.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Haha... so we shouldn't have passed at all in the 2nd half (even though Romo was shredding GB in the 1st half) because an incompletion stops the clock?

Romo was shredding GB with the pass because the run was actually working. So, instead of doing the same thing in the second half, they decided to pass, pass, pass, instead of relying on play action, or a more balanced pass to run ratio. When four of your 18 attempts come in the second half where you're leading by three TDs and you haven't turned it over at all to provide the opposing team with easy scores, something is seriously wrong with the coaching in that half. It's understandable if you're averaging less three yards or less per carry, but only barely. It's inexcusable if you're popping well over five yards per carry. I don't even know why people are even trying to rationalize this.

 

[Nav22]

You realize it was only second down, right? We didn't need to pick up a first down on that play.

So you're willingly giving Green Bay's D a chance at a 3rd down stop? With an offense that was 2-9 on the day on 3rd down?

I've heard it all before, man. If we ran on 2nd down and got stuffed then passed on 3rd down and threw an incompletion, the coaches are skewered for "predictable play-calling" and for not "keeping their foot on the gas and letting Romo close out the game".

If we make an aggressive call on 2nd down and move the chains, everybody's happy. If it backfires like it did yesterday, it was a dumb, unnecessary risk.

 

[TwoDeep3]

While there is no way to project how the game would have turned out because GB would have played things differently, just imagine using an extra three minutes during the second half running the ball.

I just don't understand making excuses for Garrett, the play calling and Romo in this instance.