When Philly beat the Cowboys and won the NFCE

[CWR]

I disagree. To me it was more valuable being rid of what I knew to be dead weight. After 7 years (at the time), I knew who Garrett was and that even if we got to the playoffs, he'd be outcoached once again.

The bigger picture was more important to me than a one and done playoff spot.

Yeah, we did need to be rid of JG and our crap staff. My biggest reason for hope this season is another regime.

 

[charron]

so why not lose every year so we can have high draft picks like the browns and look really nice on paper?

 

[KJJ]

The draft wouldn’t have set up as well for us had we beat Philly in week 16 and made the playoffs but the regular season and critical divisional matchups isn’t about trying to improve your draft position. The goal isn’t to draft ahead of your division rivals but in this case it has played in our favor picking ahead of Philly at least on paper. Draft day grades can you change dramatically in 2-3 years. We’ll just have to see how our draft class plays out on the field compared to Philly’s.

 

[SSoup]

We've been sooooo lucky in this draft. First 2 rounds gave been amazing. That being said, you play to win the game. I'll take playoffs over no playoffs every single year.

I mean, it depends on the situation and whether you can macro out and look at the big picture.

Our 1998 team was fun to watch. Chan Gailey came in and revived the careers of the triplets after the stale old offense had left two of them looking pretty bad. Modernized our offense. Fixed our o-line (we gave up only 19 sacks that season, and Garrett took more of them than Troy despite only starting 5 games, so Garrett's inexperience or lack of talent at getting rid of the ball artificially ballooned that sack total up to 19 when it would've been even lower if Troy had played all our snaps). Fixed our draft process, as we were back to drafting useful and good players. And got us on the winning track again.

And at the time, I was ecstatic we were winning again. And wouldn't have wanted it any other way.

But, in the big picture, that year's team still wasn't anything special and wasn't realistically going to win anything. We were in the mode of wanting to eke out every last win we could on the triplet era, so it's not like we wanted to do anything but win.

But... we and the Titans sat there late in the season with identical records. We won our last two games to win the division and cruise into the playoffs. They lost their last two games. Come the 1999 draft, we settle for Ebenezer Ekuban while they get to pick Jevon Kearse, who helped propel them to the Super Bowl. We'd have been better off and better positioned to win something again during the Triplet Era if we'd lost a couple games and been positioned to land Kearse and give our defense that scary weapon to attack opposing quarterbacks.

Having Gailey's first season finish slightly worse would have helped us in a huge way for several reasons. First, it gives us Kearse and better arms our defense for being able to weather the coming modern pass-happy offenses. But also, by dampening the results of Gailey's first year slightly, and giving us Kearse instead of Ekuban in his 2nd year, Gailey's 2nd season would've been more successful than his first and would've created the feeling of momentum and progress (as opposed to him immediately fixing us in 1998 only to take a step backwards in 1999). So perhaps we avoid the franchise-killing mistake of firing Gailey and replacing him with Campo in 2000. We'd have been 1000% better off in both the short-term and the long-term just losing a couple more games in 1998.

 

[Hadenough]

This thread could be named "My mother lives in Kansas" and you would make a hate Dak comment. Stick to the topic for once. We get you don't like the guy. How about commenting on the topic if that's even possible in your case.

Well the title did read Philly vs Dallas and I did answer the OP at the end of my thread that yeah the Cowboys got some good players out of the draft but I would of rather seen Dak play well. Maybe you should learn to finish reading. Or I guess since I didnt exactly address what the difference in draft position it makes my post off topic. GTFOH!

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Well the title did read Philly vs Dallas and I did answer the OP at the end of my thread that yeah the Cowboys got some good players out of the draft but I would of rather seen Dak play well. Maybe you should learn to finish reading. Or I guess since I didnt exactly address what the difference in draft position it makes my post off topic. GTFOH!

idiot and a troll to boot

 

[The Fonz]

Apparently an un-fortunate side effect of Philly beating the Cowboys is that our brain dead fan base is going to think that every pick they make is based on stealing from the Eagles...

Or every pick will end up being a super star...

 

[Beast_from_East]

so why not lose every year so we can have high draft picks like the browns and look really nice on paper?

Losing was not to get draft picks, it was to get Garrrett fired.

Not sure why so many are having a hard time understanding this.

 

[Hadenough]

idiot and a troll to boot

Wimp

 

[charron]

Losing was not to get draft picks, it was to get Garrrett fired.

Not sure why so many are having a hard time understanding this.

I was responding to the op who talked about losing to get ahead of Philly in the draft or do you not read the opening statement?

 

[cml750]

I was going to make a post asking if the forum would rather beat Philly and win the East or have CeeDee Lamb.

Garrett probably keeps his job too.

Firing Garrett is easily the biggest improvement that has happened to the this franchise in the last decade. If beating the Eagles means we kept Garrett then it was 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 worth losing to them. Getting Lamb is just icing and the cake.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

The real question:
Do we make a coaching change if we win the nfc east?

The simple answer is NO. Jerry was already having a hard time letting Jason Garrett go, the only reason he was let go was cause McCarthy was gonna go to the Giants. I honestly believe that Jerry would have used the current pandemic as an excuse to keep Garrett longer if the pandemic would've broke out earlier in the year.

 

[Praxit]

..right now, it looks good on paper and personal bias speculation. How many times have Dallas drafted big college chief's, only to see them reduced to pudding?

NFL is the wake up call to reality.

 

[Dre11]

I think they attempted to get us back, they knew we were interested in Hurts, which I think is why they took him early

 

[Typhus]

Apparently an un-fortunate side effect of Philly beating the Cowboys is that our brain dead fan base is going to think that every pick they make is based on stealing from the Eagles...

Its been the other way around in recent drafts, so banging the e-girls and not reaching to do it, was x2 IMO.
Let em cry.

 

[Dre11]

Folks see different things, what probably change Dallas thought was the effects of the pandemic, not being able to have these guys in your building, not seeing pro days, made teams go more with their boards. players rise/fall change minds every year with visits and pro days.

 

[CouchCoach]

This is akin to being diagnosed with cancer. "Well, I needed to lose some weight anyway".

 

[UpNorth]

Remember when Dez fell to us and then we continued to be the Detroit lions of the South?


Everyone is getting a little ahead of themselves here

 

[lostar2009]

Losing to the Eagles last December did the following:

1. Ensured Jason Garrett's exit.

2. Allowed Dallas to draft Lamb and Diggs ahead of the Eagles.

Moving past Garrett has place this team a couple of levels ahead of last year. Only item we truly lost was Jones. Quinn and Bennett was one year rentals anyways.

 

[johneric8]

I’d rather go 9-7, win the division and go to the playoffs.... because that’s kind of the point of everything....

Imagine turning down the playoffs because you can draft a couple spots higher

Nope I disagree! When you have a money hungry owner who has an insatiable foolish pride complex, it took us losing and being humiliated for him to be finally forced to canned the freckled puppet Landry starter kit. If the players had the desire to rise up and beat the Eagles for Garrett they could of! I think they checked out knowing he didn't have the answers and was castrated fully. I'm glad we lost to the Eagles, it benefited us greatly! You have to remember that Garrett's calling card was being mediocre and finding a way to keep the carrot dangling. We had to lose to finally get our crazy owner to do the right thing...