Where are all of the Ellis doubters now?

[junk]

Any idea when glovers or ellis runs out? either way its nice to have talent AND depth on the dline for once.

Glover after 2006.

Ellis after 2009. No idea about roster bonuses and such for Ellis except that he gets one next year.

 

[junk]

I never doubted Ellis. I doubted the fact that he could be as effective in a 3-4. I doubted the fact that he would be around long term.

I would be very interested to see where the majority of his pressures are coming from, 43 or 34. I honestly don't know.

I believe the rest of this is still unwritten.

In short, I'm right here.

Actually, I haven't seen the team play much pure 4-3. Its been a lot of nickel. Some 4-3 over/under.

 

[junk]

I really don't like these "call out other board members posts", but thats just me.

Me either, but that seems to be the way of the board these days. Everyone has to show off how they are/were right and attempt to belittle anyone that doesn't agree with them.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Ellis himself was one of those doubters.

Game, set and match! Well put!

But I'll play along......my quick and dirty reply would be....SO WHAT's NEW!

Seriously, Ellis does this every year. He starts out strong and finishes weak.

I don't want to turn this into a "let's bash Greg Ellis" thread because he certainly doesn't deserve that. He has been playing lights out and thus far he has proven a lot of doubters like myself wrong. But if you are going to call people out, at least wait until the end of the season, because last year so many of you were saying Ellis was going to finally get double digit sacks and look what happened then.

Peace

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually, I haven't seen the team play much pure 4-3. Its been a lot of nickel. Some 4-3 over/under.

Yes, we play a lot of 4 man, nickle. Having said that, I would associate this with the 43 only because it's a 4 man line. This was basically the crux of the debate, as I recall, where Ellis was concerned. JMO of course.

I'm sure someone will have issue with it. The beauty of a message board.

 

[junk]

Yes, we play a lot of 4 man, nickle. Having said that, I would associate this with the 43 only because it's a 4 man line. This was basically the crux of the debate, as I recall, where Ellis was concerned. JMO of course.

I'm sure someone will have issue with it. The beauty of a message board.

Yes, people have argued with me about it too. I think the team is better off playing more 4 man lines myself. It doesn't have to be the old 4-3, you can do it using 3-4 principles.

The talent of the team is on the DL.

 

[Jarv]

Yes, people have argued with me about it too. I think the team is better off playing more 4 man lines myself. It doesn't have to be the old 4-3, you can do it using 3-4 principles.

The talent of the team is on the DL.

What is a 4 man line with 3-4 principles ?

 

[junk]

What is a 4 man line with 3-4 principles ?

In a nutshell, it is more man on man responsibilities as opposed to single gap responsibilities.

 

[baj1dallas]

Probably busy trying to get the Peerless Price and Chris Canty bandwagons going, until they're regularly contributing members of the team and they can find somebody else to disrespect.

 

[Jarv]

In a nutshell, it is more man on man responsibilities as opposed to single gap responsibilities.

Thanks Junk, I really didn't know that 3-4 and 4-3 were different in gap vs. man responsibilities.

 

[ddh33]

I know it may sound silly, but football players can play football period. I've always thought Ellis and Glover were football players. I knew they could play this scheme. It also occurs to me that, perhaps, Parcells knows what he's talking about when he discusses schemes and his players.

 

[joseephuss]

In a nutshell, it is more man on man responsibilities as opposed to single gap responsibilities.

The same type of 4-3 that has been run the last few years in Dallas, which was different than the one run in the early 90s.

 

[junk]

The same type of 4-3 that has been run the last few years in Dallas, which was different than the one run in the early 90s.

The Tampa 4-3 implemented by Zimmer had a gap penetrating DT. Glover. Similar to the role played by Sapp in Tampa.

 

[junk]

Thanks Junk, I really didn't know that 3-4 and 4-3 were different in gap vs. man responsibilities.

There are a bunch of details that I don't know either and would love to find out. Each defense is different.

Parcells described it that way in a few of his press conferences.

Players in a 3-4 have gap responsibilities as well, but I think in BP's scheme, they often line up over a man. Sometimes in 4-3 schemes, you will see players offset or lined up in a gap. Sometimes even lined up slanted over a player.

Unfortunately, the press isn't interested in reporting details of things like that. People in the know (coaches) usually aren't interested in revealing their schemes. Watching it on television, you often can't see enough to tell what is going on.

I am sure my guess work is off in many ways, shapes and forms and someone more knowledgeable could easily correct me.

 

[dbair1967]

Any idea when glovers or ellis runs out? either way its nice to have talent AND depth on the dline for once.

I was thinking Glover signed for 5yrs when we got him, Ellis' deal was 7yrs I think...I dont know about any voidable yrs that might be involved...Adam prob has that info

David

 

[jem88]

So far, that garbage about Ellis having problems this year has been just that... garbage.
He is killing it with 3.5 sacks.

And like I said before the season, Glover is going to have his best season as a Cowboy yet. So far it's shaping up to be true. 3 sacks.

BP is right. Football players play football on Sunday, regardless of scheme.

All these doubters prior to the season about where do Ellis and Glover fit in are now nowhere to be found.

First of all, there is nothing more boring or pointless than the "Like I said before the season" posts. Beyond the fact that nobody is likely to spend the time verifying your claim, you have undoubtedly been wrong on some things as well. So really what's the point? As far as Ellis, he looks like he's on pace for his usual 7-8 sack season. When I seem him actually crack the 10 sack barrier, then I will hail his pass-rushing prowess. I think the real key to everyone's playing better is Ware. Like somebody astutely pointed out: Get the next Charles Haley and a good, not great lineman like Ellis, will become Tony Tolbert.

 

[jem88]

Glover's runs out before Ellis' does...he sighed a long term contract extension during the 2003 season, and he has been a huge bargain under that contract...he's vastly out performed some guys (such as Grant Wistrom and Jevon Kearse) who signed contracts worth several times what Ellis got

Ellis has always been a good player thats been extremely under appreciated here

David

I don't think he's underappreciated. He is recognized as the slightly above-average DE that he is.

 

[joseephuss]

First of all, there is nothing more boring or pointless than the "Like I said before the season" posts. Beyond the fact that nobody is likely to spend the time verifying your claim, you have undoubtedly been wrong on some things as well. So really what's the point? As far as Ellis, he looks like he's on pace for his usual 7-8 sack season. When I seem him actually crack the 10 sack barrier, then I will hail his pass-rushing prowess. I think the real key to everyone's playing better is Ware. Like somebody astutely pointed out: Get the next Charles Haley and a good, not great lineman like Ellis, will become Tony Tolbert.

Ellis has played like Tony Tolbert his whole career. He has produced the same number of sacks and has had more tackles than Tolbert. Neither is great, but certainly the kind of players that every team needs to be successful. Two of my favorites.

 

[jem88]

Ellis has played like Tony Tolbert his whole career. He has produced the same number of sacks and has had more tackles than Tolbert. Neither is great, but certainly the kind of players that every team needs to be successful. Two of my favorites.

He's never had a season like Tolbert had in 1996.

 

[dbair1967]

He's never had a season like Tolbert had in 1996.

it was one season...and it wasnt like Tolbert had 20 sacks..he had 12

Ellis is a better player than Tolbert was

David