Where was Demarcus Lawrence all night?

[xwalker]

OK - so let me prefix this by saying that Coughlin & staff came up with a brilliant strategy for the pass game last night. The passing plays were designed for 3-5 step drops and quick releases. While we did not give up any big plays on defense, it was still a very sound strategy by the Giants and Eli executed the game plan almost flawlessly (except for the clock management aspect).

With all that said, where the hell was Demarcus Lawrence all night?

The Giants were fielding a revamped O-line with a rookie left tackle. Even when they moved Demarcus to the right side to line up against Flowers (after Gregory left), I didn't see any pressures, pocket-collapsing, tackles for loss, etc.

I know that Eli was getting the ball out lightning quick, but I don't think Demarcus Lawrence made a single impact play on defense last night.

Now, I'm not going to over-react and say that we overpaid in the draft for this guy, he can't play, etc.

I do think he'll bounce back.

But with all the hype about how he revamped his body, looked un-blockable in camp, and was poised to break out in a big way, I guess I was a little disappointed not to hear his name at all last night.

Now, more than ever, we need this kid to step up! Let's go, Demarcus!

1. In most 4-3 schemes the primary pass rushers are the DEs; however, in Marinelli's scheme the design is to make the RDE and the 3tech DT the top pass rushers.

2 Marinelli normally requires the LDE to rush in a direct line towards the QB instead of looping wide outside like a traditional outside pass rusher. They do get the full go occasionally in which they are allowed to attempt to turn the outside corner with a big loop, but it's not the norm.

3. The reason for rushing in a direct line is to stay in place against the run. Other schemes will have the outside rusher read and react which means pause waiting for the run and then a normal pass rush.

4. The RDE has much more leeway to rush wide or crash down inside either of which puts the onus for run contain on someone else, usually the WLB.

5. Eli was getting the shotgun snap and immediately getting rid of the ball. He was sacked on one of his few snaps from under Center.

6. Lawrence played a few snaps at RDE late in the game. They only had 7 DL and 3 DEs active. Lawrence played the most snaps of any of the DL. He was likely somewhat fatigued by the time he moved to RDE. The one play that I specifically remember of him at RDE was a run.

8. The Giants quick throws actually force them to function as if they are getting pressure from a pass rush. It keeps the defense from having to cover for long (i.e. It helped the Cowboys DBs) while making it difficult for the DL to get sacks.

9. I have not reviewed the defense in detail yet, but I did notice Lawrence getting chipped by a RB or TE a couple of times.

 

[LatinMind]

OK - so let me prefix this by saying that Coughlin & staff came up with a brilliant strategy for the pass game last night. The passing plays were designed for 3-5 step drops and quick releases. While we did not give up any big plays on defense, it was still a very sound strategy by the Giants and Eli executed the game plan almost flawlessly (except for the clock management aspect).

With all that said, where the hell was Demarcus Lawrence all night?

The Giants were fielding a revamped O-line with a rookie left tackle. Even when they moved Demarcus to the right side to line up against Flowers (after Gregory left), I didn't see any pressures, pocket-collapsing, tackles for loss, etc.

I know that Eli was getting the ball out lightning quick, but I don't think Demarcus Lawrence made a single impact play on defense last night.

Now, I'm not going to over-react and say that we overpaid in the draft for this guy, he can't play, etc.

I do think he'll bounce back.

But with all the hype about how he revamped his body, looked un-blockable in camp, and was poised to break out in a big way, I guess I was a little disappointed not to hear his name at all last night.

Now, more than ever, we need this kid to step up! Let's go, Demarcus!

Ive said it all along, the guy just doesnt have that passrush the team needs. You see it in gregory already. Lawrence might give you a play or two from time to time, but IMO come week 5, Hardy should be playing LDE and let Gregory man RDE when he gets back. Lawrence is JAG

 

[sbark]

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5. Eli was getting the shotgun snap and immediately getting rid of the ball. He was sacked on one of his few snaps from under Center.

8. The Giants quick throws actually force them to function as if they are getting pressure from a pass rush. .

Couldn't one make the observation that the Giants essentially have Eli playing college spread offense football, a snap to a QB in the shotgun, and the ball gone almost immediately (ie no read/ read predetermined). They have taken away Eli decision making "problems", but as we lament the lack of NFL ready College QB because of the spread offense, its laughable the Giants have brought Eli down to that in order to limit his poor decisions. Trend in the NFL?

 

[gimmesix]

Lawrence had a good pressure on Manning the play after Crawford got his sack. Other than that, he was quiet, but he did get chipped a bit in the game.

He actually had a couple of good pressures, but otherwise it was a fairly quiet night for him.

 

[KJJ]

He played well Sunday night and if he was such a bum why did the Giants slide protection that wat and Chip him so much?

How many plays did you actually watch of him or are you just commenting because he had no splash plays?

Also what exactly are you expecting from the LDE in this defense to be making such a proclamation about 2nd contracts.

No one is calling Lawrence a bum where are you getting that? The Giants had to pay him a lot of attention he's a pass rusher and they couldn't just give him a free run at Eli. With Ware gone he's one of the Cowboys defenders being counted on to apply pressure to the QB. During the game chat many asked where Lawrence was he made very little impact on Sunday Night and most of us are expecting him to make a big impact being a 2nd round pick. He didn't have a single sack last season and with Gregory out and Hardy 3 weeks away from being added to the mix Lawrence is going to receive a lot more attention . He's going to have to start making more plays and live up to his draft status.

He only played half a season last year so it's still very early in his career but he's going to have to start making an impact at some point or he won't see a second contract. When he was drafted Charlie Casserly said he watched a lot tape on DLaw and didn't see many plays from him. With the Cowboys allowing Ware to walk they were desperate for a pass rusher and some seemed to think they may have reached for DLaw. We'll just have to see how the rest of this season goes for him but he does need to start making more plays and getting some sacks. Like with all pass rushers he'll be judged by his sack totals. Sacks are the biggest indicator that a DE is applying pressure.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Agree.....When is the last time you saw a holding penalty called against the Giants?............Answer...Never .....As long as I can remember. Ever since the Giants traded for Eli....We haven't got a single holding call vs their O-line. And trust me......they hold all the time and get away w/ it. It's frustrating.

I'm sure Giants fans are saying the same thing about us lol. When's the last time the Cowboys offensive line called for holding?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's no excuse if he's going to be a solid player he's going to have to learn how to deal with that and still make some plays. Opponents paid a lot of attention to Ware but he still showed up and made plays.

Is that the bar for Lawrence though? He was a 2nd round pick. Ware was a top pick in the draft and a elite pass rusher. I just wonder if we're raising the bar too high for Lawrence here. He's not Demarcus Ware and I don't think they drafted him to be.

 

[KJJ]

Is that the bar for Lawrence though? He was a 2nd round pick. Ware was a top pick in the draft and a elite pass rusher. I just wonder if we're raising the bar too high for Lawrence here. He's not Demarcus Ware and I don't think they drafted him to be.

I obviously haven't made myself clear I'm not saying he has to be Demarcus Ware he'll never be Demarcus Ware and no one was expecting him to be Demarcus Ware but he has to develop into at least an Anthony Spencer if he's going to have a future with the Cowboys. If he can provide 7-10 sacks a season and become a "solid" player I think most of us will be satisfied with that. He did have 2 sacks in the playoffs last season including a strip sack fumble recovery vs the Lions that sealed that win making up for his earlier mistake. It's very early with Lawrence the jury is still out.

 

[Floatyworm]

The only time DLaw's name came up all night was when he was called for a penalty.

Let me just say this......there were times @ BSU where D-Law just took over games.....He's gonna surprise people whenever we get someone that can pressure from the other side...and he isn't drawing all of the attention.

 

[Zman5]

He didn't look good as Gregory. And both Gregory and Lawrence were rushing the same passer so the excuse about Eli getting rid of the ball quickly doesn't really fly.

He took over for Almost Anthony. Hopefully he improves so that we don't have to call him Little Late Lawrence.

 

[gmoney112]

Dude give me a break.

It's the first game of his 2nd year. Against an offense that knew their OL was bad.

Lawrence could turn out to be a lot of things, but the arrow is pointing up with him.

 

[BAT]

Lawrence actually was generating pressure later in the game at RDE. Bigger question is where was the inside pressure aside from Tyrone Crawford?

Cowboys need to play Coleman more, neither McClain or the other Crawford showed up.

 

[xwalker]

Couldn't one make the observation that the Giants essentially have Eli playing college spread offense football, a snap to a QB in the shotgun, and the ball gone almost immediately (ie no read/ read predetermined). They have taken away Eli decision making "problems", but as we lament the lack of NFL ready College QB because of the spread offense, its laughable the Giants have brought Eli down to that in order to limit his poor decisions. Trend in the NFL?

Yes, there are some similarities.

Eli's read seems to be predetermined. He has a target in mind before the snap and either throws to that guy, throws it away or run with it.

 

[Floatyworm]

Lawrence actually was generating pressure later in the game at RDE. Bigger question is where was the inside pressure aside from Tyrone Crawford?

Cowboys need to play Coleman more, neither McClain or the other Crawford showed up.

Agree...why Coleman was inactive.......is insane. He might be our best inside rusher.

 

[TwentyOne]

OK - so let me prefix this by saying that Coughlin & staff came up with a brilliant strategy for the pass game last night. The passing plays were designed for 3-5 step drops and quick releases. While we did not give up any big plays on defense, it was still a very sound strategy by the Giants and Eli executed the game plan almost flawlessly (except for the clock management aspect).

With all that said, where the hell was Demarcus Lawrence all night?

The Giants were fielding a revamped O-line with a rookie left tackle. Even when they moved Demarcus to the right side to line up against Flowers (after Gregory left), I didn't see any pressures, pocket-collapsing, tackles for loss, etc.

I know that Eli was getting the ball out lightning quick, but I don't think Demarcus Lawrence made a single impact play on defense last night.

Now, I'm not going to over-react and say that we overpaid in the draft for this guy, he can't play, etc.

I do think he'll bounce back.

But with all the hype about how he revamped his body, looked un-blockable in camp, and was poised to break out in a big way, I guess I was a little disappointed not to hear his name at all last night.

Now, more than ever, we need this kid to step up! Let's go, Demarcus!

IMO youre expecting too much from him.

He was never the fastest guy still they gave up a 3rd and advertised him as the solution for LDE. Which he never really was just because he is physical not gifted enough. But we drafted him anyways maybe with the vision to move him later.

With Gregory they let him (Lawrence) bulk up in the off season so he can play RDE where imo he did good against the Giants. Nothing more can be expected from him.

Dont fall to believe he will ever be a DWare.

 

[Tio]

That's no excuse if he's going to be a solid player he's going to have to learn how to deal with that and still make some plays. Opponents paid a lot of attention to Ware but he still showed up and made plays.

Demarcus Ware is a HALL OF FAME DE/olb. Lawrence is our third best outside rusher and he plays the strong side. Cmon man.

 

[KJJ]

Demarcus Ware is a HALL OF FAME DE/olb. Lawrence is our third best outside rusher and he plays the strong side. Cmon man.

You misinterpreted my post like the other guy I'm not saying he has to be Ware or that anyone expected him to be Ware but he has to provide similar to what Anthony Spencer provided or he won't be a long-term player for the Cowboys. He was a #2 pick and was drafted to get pressures and sacks and the sacks have to start coming with him. Where the Cowboys drafted him he should be better than their 3rd best outside rusher. He didn't play terrible on Sunday but he certainly didn't provide what the Cowboys need or expected from him. Teams don't stay with players very long nowadays even #1 and #2 picks end up on the streets in 2-3 years if they don't start performing. We have a long way to go with DLaw but he has to do better than what we saw Sunday Night.

 

[TwentyOne]

You misinterpreted my post like the other guy I'm not saying he has to be Ware or that anyone expected him to be Ware but he has to provide similar to what Anthony Spencer provided or he won't be a long-term player for the Cowboys. He was a #2 pick and was drafted to get pressures and sacks and the sacks have to start coming with him. Where the Cowboys drafted him he should be better than their 3rd best outside rusher. He didn't play terrible on Sunday but he certainly didn't provide what the Cowboys need or expected from him. Teams don't stay with players very long nowadays even #1 and #2 picks end up on the streets in 2-3 years if they don't start performing. We have a long way to go with DLaw but he has to do better than what we saw Sunday Night.

Spencer was one of the best LDEs in his prime.
Lawrence is in his sec year after missing most of the first.

Even if i dont think he will ever be able to play on a level Spencer did give him some time to develop.

As i posted already those are way too high expectations for this player. He is not going to be a star in this league and just because we gave up so much for him doesnt mean he has alot of potential.
We drafted him because we had high need not because he was a blue chipper.

 

[KJJ]

Spencer was one of the best RDEs in his prime.
Lawrence is in his sec year after missing most of the first.

Even if i dont think he will ever be able to play on a level Spencer did give him some time to develop.

As i posted already those are way too high expectations for this player. He is not going to be a star in this league and just because we gave up so much for him doesnt mean he has alot of potential.
We drafted him because we had high need not because he was a blue chipper.

DLaw was a #2 pick so expectations come with that. If he can't provide 6-10 sacks a season and come close to Spencers level he won't see a second contract. The fact the Cowboys had a high need for a pass rusher after releasing Ware made some think they may have reached for DLaw. I mentioned that Charlie Casserly wasn't that high on DLaw after watching tape of him. That doesn't mean he won't pan out but I do think the Cowboys reached for him. If they thought all that highly of him his rookie year I'm not so sure they would have gone after Hardy and drafted Gregory. They took chances on both those players because they need a pass rush and they didn't have much of a pass rush even when DLaw came back from injury last season.

 

[5Stars]

Go away boy...you bother us.

yeah you, k