Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[CowboyRoy]

Now if you have someone in mind that you think Jerry would pursue I’m all ears?

Who???????

I think it has to get really really bad for Jerry to fire Garrett. I have no confidence in his coach hiring. But firing Garrett is the very first step. Baby steps for me.

 

[Diehardblues]

Better drafts has nothing to do with culture. Garrett has little to do with the draft. He simply doesnt.

Culture is chemistry, culture is winning, culture is leadership and accountability from top to bottom.

the culture in Dallas is as you stated, totally and completely dysfunctional.

But it's been better with Garrett. Most would agree despite who they credit.

Roy. I’m not trying to convince you. This is my position. And I feel strongly about it.

I get you don’t agree. And I’ll continue to promote my beliefs and opinions until I don’t feel that way any longer. Thanks

 

[CowboyRoy]

But it's been better with Garrett. Most would agree despite who they credit.

Roy. I’m not trying to convince you. This is my position. And I feel strongly about it.

I get you don’t agree. And I’ll continue to promote my beliefs and opinions until I don’t feel that way any longer. Thanks

I think Garrett is a good administrator. And I do think that Garrett has helped in the process to tilt the scales in favor of Jerry not getting everything he wants.

But to me the two biggest things that have changed has been the emergence of S Jones and the influence of McClay in the drafting process and players picked.

Now lets just imagine for a second that Garrett is the GM and has changed the way we bring in players.

It still wouldnt matter because on gameday Garrett is terrible. When you are the head coach you have to push the right buttons and control the team and the flow of the game during the game. You have to anticipate things, come up with new ideas, be ahead of the curve. Be aggressive and out coach the other guy. Garrett is absolutely the worst coach I have EVER seen at that.

So even if Garrett was the best GM in the world, he could never overcome having himself as a terrible gameday coach.

THAT is the NUMBER 1 job of a head coach. If you cant do that, then you simply should not be in that position. Let Garrett be the president of operations or whatever. But get the guy the hell away from the game planning, play calling, and put him up in a booth during the game with no headset. Seriously. Get him away from it all together.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think Garrett is a good administrator. And I do think that Garrett has helped in the process to tilt the scales in favor of Jerry not getting everything he wants.

But to me the two biggest things that have changed has been the emergence of S Jones and the influence of McClay in the drafting process and players picked.

Now lets just imagine for a second that Garrett is the GM and has changed the way we bring in players.

It still wouldnt matter because on gameday Garrett is terrible. When you are the head coach you have to push the right buttons and control the team and the flow of the game during the game. You have to anticipate things, come up with new ideas, be ahead of the curve. Be aggressive and out coach the other guy. Garrett is absolutely the worst coach I have EVER seen at that.

So even if Garrett was the best GM in the world, he could never overcome having himself as a terrible gameday coach.

THAT is the NUMBER 1 job of a head coach. If you cant do that, then you simply should not be in that position. Let Garrett be the president of operations or whatever. But get the guy the hell away from the game planning, play calling, and put him up in a booth during the game with no headset. Seriously. Get him away from it all together.

I definitely agree Garrett would serve us better as GM if he could hire his own HC. And that’s my ultimate hope someday.

If you’ve noticed I haven’t defended Garrett’s Game Day coaching ability .

Unfortunately with Jerry we can’t have what we really need right now. My hope resides in Garrett’s GM influence that we might can build enough talent to overcome the shortcomings we both agree on to a certain extent.

 

[Diehardblues]

Problem is we’ve amassed enough talent to avoid a total collapse which is probably only way Jerry fires Garrett cause Jerry can sell the heck out of 8-8.

It’s why my objective is wanting more elite talent. If we hadn’t got close to a championship appearance a couple times with Garrett I probably wouldn’t have any hope at all.

 

[Diehardblues]

And I was excited as anyone about Dak in 2016 thinking he might be the one who could overcome our dysfunctional situation and even up to Zeke going out. But that proved to me Dak need as much support or more than Romo needed which is a concern to me.

I’m still hopeful Dak can overcome but not as excited as I once was. We shall see. My bigger concern is Jerry is already Dug In regardless which could mean another similar era as Romo’s if Dak isn’t elite enough to carry us.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I think Garrett is a good administrator. And I do think that Garrett has helped in the process to tilt the scales in favor of Jerry not getting everything he wants.

But to me the two biggest things that have changed has been the emergence of S Jones and the influence of McClay in the drafting process and players picked.

Now lets just imagine for a second that Garrett is the GM and has changed the way we bring in players.

It still wouldnt matter because on gameday Garrett is terrible. When you are the head coach you have to push the right buttons and control the team and the flow of the game during the game. You have to anticipate things, come up with new ideas, be ahead of the curve. Be aggressive and out coach the other guy. Garrett is absolutely the worst coach I have EVER seen at that.

So even if Garrett was the best GM in the world, he could never overcome having himself as a terrible gameday coach.

THAT is the NUMBER 1 job of a head coach. If you cant do that, then you simply should not be in that position. Let Garrett be the president of operations or whatever. But get the guy the hell away from the game planning, play calling, and put him up in a booth during the game with no headset. Seriously. Get him away from it all together.

I completely agree with you regarding Garrett being a terrible game day coach. Your reasoning was spot on. The Netflix special says it all( why are they letting the world see their disfunction, stupid) about Garrett’s Junior High mentality. After Denver kicked our butt every which way, Garrett tells his coaches basically we were soft and they out physicalled us. We didn't fight to the end. We didn’t fight. He is a dam cheerleader.A smart coach would have said, yeah we got our butts kicked every which way including coaching. Next time we will have our guys more prepared to exploit their weaknesses. Then explain how they could have been attacked. Garrett is all talk and all Cheerleader and he NEVER blames his lack of game planning when they get their butt kicked by a more prepared team. Any one who still supports Garrett must have missed the Super Bowl. Talent wise those teams are comparable to Dallas, but coaching wise, they are light years ahead of us. We need a new HC. We’ve seen Garrett’s limitations and they are to much to overcome vs the good teams!!!!!!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Camp is the ONLY coach in Cowboys history with a worse winning percentage than Garrett. EVERYONE else has a higher winning percentage or the same. Both Gailey and Wade had higher winning percentages than Garrett.

Facts are stubborn things.

How about this.............Wade, Garrett, Campo, Gailey were all sub standard head coaches. You want to debate about which one was less worse? Have at it.

This proud franchise deserves better than all of them.

But besides Campo, NO ONE has done worse for longer then Jason Garrett. No one has had LESS success than Garrett for as long as Garrett.

OUt of that list of sub standard coaches, no one has had more talent than Garrett to work with. No one has had close to the same QB's as Garrett. Other than Wade with Romo as well.

I wasn't the one making excuses for campo....I just pointed out your flawed logic. but glad to hear you finally see the truth about wade and campo.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What gives you confidence we wouldn’t hire another coach like we’ve had?

Wanting Garrett fired to me is as about as hopeless solution as wanting Jerry gone.

its called the grass is greener on the other side syndrome. you and I have lived through 6 and learned that grass isn't really greener, there is coach killer on the cowboys that's the problem...he is younger so he has yet to learn.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It is what it is . Garrett is a product of Jerry’s dysfunctional situation.

but its garrett's fault for accepting a job. Garrett should have said no when he was offered the job. and second, garrett is got this magic voodoo thing over the Joneses and a few on this board have the eye and the anti vooddo potion that allows them to see the truth, sort of like harry potter kind of thing.....they clearly see how garrett has fooled everyone but I am telling you the magic voodoo is not working on these guys and they will lead us to light and salvation

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Are you really arguing with me over who is a better coach? They both stink buddy.

If I was GM I would hire neither. But I would take Campo over Garrett 10 out of 10 times.

I wasn't arguing, you were vehemently defending campo and making excuses for him...I just pointed out a few facts to you...you really don't know the difference between and argument or a fact based statement?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The problem is Jerry needs aHC who can influence his GM decisions.

Like Bill said” you have to convince Jerry to go against his instincts”.

While Campo might have been a better X and O coach like Wade was they had horrid drafts which means had little influence over Jerry.

Jimmy , Bill and now Garrett have had the most influence with Jerry. And thus have built the best teams in Jerrys era.

campo wasn't a good X's and O's coach. when he was defensive coach, he just had benefit of having some great talent available to him that covered his inability to be a good coach...he didn't develop any players while a head coach, further more he had zero head coaching ability to be able to influence anyone, which is a very important part of being a head coach, which lead to bad draft after bad draft after bad draft, so losing talent, not able to replace or replenish and sucked at schemes. he was a bad coach.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I didn’t say had anything to do with hiring Will but influenced his greater role in scouting.

Didn’t say great culture . Said better culture than we had or could hope for with Jerry.

you are noticing the reading comprehension issues too? that's emotions and agenda talking, they read a couple of words in the response and already have formulated their response despite what the posts says....that's called being agenda driven

 

[Diehardblues]

its called the grass is greener on the other side syndrome. you and I have lived through 6 and learned that grass isn't really greener, there is coach killer on the cowboys that's the problem...he is younger so he has yet to learn.

I really don’t know how long he’s been a fan but that would make sense.

I understand that they want Garrett fired but that doesn’t necessarily resolve our problems if we dont bring in a better coach which is a very good possibility unfortunately. Be careful what you wish for.

Diagnosing the problem is only part of the equation .

 

[Diehardblues]

but its garrett's fault for accepting a job. Garrett should have said no when he was offered the job. and second, garrett is got this magic voodoo thing over the Joneses and a few on this board have the eye and the anti vooddo potion that allows them to see the truth, sort of like harry potter kind of thing.....they clearly see how garrett has fooled everyone but I am telling you the magic voodoo is not working on these guys and they will lead us to light and salvation

I hear ya but the bigger issue is Jerry won’t allow for the solution we ultimately need. I’m not sure they all understand the reality of the situation?

They just see we need a greater coach which I think most would agree.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is total nonsense, CL.

The 2010 team he took over was 1-7. There's no dressing up that pig. And he started the OL overhaul immediately in that next offseason. And every NFL team has good players on it. That's not how you measure a good team. You measure a good team by how many holes its got, and the 2010-2012 teams had a lot of holes.

The weakest thing you're saying here is that any of us wouldn't want an improvement over Garrett if he's replaced at HC. That's just a really dumb argument to try to make. For one, if Garrett were replaced next week, I can tell you right now I'm still not going to agree that he wasn't a good coach in Dallas. I'm going to say he's a guy who put together a couple of teams that were contenders, but he didn't get it done.

You appear to have taken my post awfully personally for some reason. I wasn't even thinking of you when I posted that, but the two in this thread.

But then I guess I did start it with the "Garrett fanboys"...

And by "putting together" a contender* I hope you aren't giving him GM duties again are you? Especially when you constantly claim we never have good enough players on defense.

* Don't most contenders win more than one playoff game?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And to add one more thing on the 2010 record.... Idgit was here back then and he remembers the narrative back then. That team was coming off the first playoff win in almost 20 years. There was widespread talk of the team playing the Superbowl in its home stadium. When the team flopped it was blamed 100% on coaching and everyone believed a new head coach was all we needed. To act like that team was a talentless wreck is disingenuous. It was only after the following years of missing the playoffs in a bad division that the "poor talent team no coach could win with" narrative was born.

 

[Idgit]

You appear to have taken my post awfully personally for some reason. I wasn't even thinking of you when I posted that, but the two in this thread.

But then I guess I did start it with the "Garrett fanboys"...

And by "putting together" a contender* I hope you aren't giving him GM duties again are you? Especially when you constantly claim we never have good enough players on defense.

* Don't most contenders win more than one playoff game?

It’s less that I took it personally and more that it thought it was a really poorly considered argument.

Did Jerry then “put together” Jimmy’s teams? I don’t remember. Or when Bill Parcells came out and said the Joneses always did a good job getting him players he wanted as long as he made a reasonable case for needing them on the team? Every coach in Dallas has had input in assembling their players. Garrett is no different. And then they’re all responsible for developing the players the organization brings in. If you like a word better than “putting together” to describe that, let me know what it is and we can use it instead. But it’s obvious we’ve gone about the process of assembling and retaining talent as an organization differently under Garrett than we had previously.

If you don’t consider the 2014 and 2016 teams ‘contenders’ that’s fine. I do, though. They’re both contenders and teams that fell short in the postseason primarily due to limitations on defense. Which I do consider Garrett responsible for. My preferred solution has been to add defensive talent rather than firing the HC for it, because it’s a fixable issue I have a high degree of confidence we can address if we just do what we’ve done elsewhere on the team and stop taking unnecessary personnel risks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I completely agree with you regarding Garrett being a terrible game day coach. Your reasoning was spot on. The Netflix special says it all( why are they letting the world see their disfunction, stupid) about Garrett’s Junior High mentality. After Denver kicked our butt every which way, Garrett tells his coaches basically we were soft and they out physicalled us. We didn't fight to the end. We didn’t fight. He is a dam cheerleader.A smart coach would have said, yeah we got our butts kicked every which way including coaching. Next time we will have our guys more prepared to exploit their weaknesses. Then explain how they could have been attacked. Garrett is all talk and all Cheerleader and he NEVER blames his lack of game planning when they get their butt kicked by a more prepared team. Any one who still supports Garrett must have missed the Super Bowl. Talent wise those teams are comparable to Dallas, but coaching wise, they are light years ahead of us. We need a new HC. We’ve seen Garrett’s limitations and they are to much to overcome vs the good teams!!!!!!!!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But it’s obvious we’ve gone about the process of assembling and retaining talent as an organization differently under Garrett than we had previously.

I don't agree with that. I think we hit on three OL picks in a row. Under Garrett we still had meh picks like Byron Jones, we still had whiffs like Escobar, and we had probably the worst draft bust in franchise history in Claiborne.

And I think the seemingly better moves in very recent years are more Stephen taking over, which is a function of Jerry's age. Nothing to do with Garrett.

But even then, we admitted to wanting Lynch and Connor Cook over Dak in the draft. If we hadn't gotten very lucky with Denver and Oakland taking those guys ahead of us, we'd be in massive trouble with no QB right now.