Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[CowboyRoy]

No, that's actually just some of the sort of detail we all know about how the team organizes the draft process. It isn't illustrative of any point your trying to make, and it doesn't counter anything I've said in any way whatsoever.

I'm not sure why you felt like it was a sliver bullet or that you should post it, honestly, but at least it was a good read. Thanks?

Stop saying WE. You dont speak for anyone else on here. Garrett is NOT the one that changed the draft culture around here it was 100% McClay. The culture DIDNT change the moment Garrett got here, as you erroneously claimed. It changed 3 years after when McClay got here. Even Garrett tells you in his own world what he doesnt handle the draft. McClay does. And Jerry and Stephen make the picks.

 

[Idgit]

Stop saying WE. You dont speak for anyone else on here. Garrett is NOT the one that changed the draft culture around here it was 100% McClay. The culture DIDNT change the moment Garrett got here, as you erroneously claimed. It changed 3 years after when McClay got here. Even Garrett tells you in his own world what he doesnt handle the draft. McClay does. And Jerry and Stephen make the picks.

I’m going to reserve the right to use the word “we” when it comes to things we’ve all seen, read, and talked about many times here on CZ, thanks.

You’re wrong that the drafts culture didn’t change from Wade to Garrett, point blank. Pointing out that it changed again when a new scouting head was elevated is obvious and beside the point.

I’m not going to bother correcting what you’re misinterpreting on purpose form that particular Garrett quote since the quote is right there in the thread.

 

[the_h0wey]

Ok now back to his abilities on gameday? He is terrible. One of the worst I have EVER seen. So maybe Garrett should be Jerry's secretary and whisper in his ear. But he has no place whatsoever being around the team on game day or involved in game plan preparation. Garrett should be up in the owners booth with Jerry on game day.

His in game adjustments are nonexistent. See the Falcons game from last year

 

[Captain-Crash]

the sensitivity of the Garrett supporters.... just say Garrett is the best ever and the super bowl trophy should be named after him. We went from being irrelevant in post season play before Garrett and during the Garrett experiment..now we can brag that we are getting better draft picks and the same coaching results . lmao.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LOL.......oh yah, the great Quincy the bong Carter!!!!! And Garrett has Romo and Dak. LOL

this is not about garrett... here you go again...

Compo with Carter...5-11

Parcells with Carter 10-6 and playoffs

same logic you used to compare wade and garrett.

same talent, consecutive years...

fact is....campo was incompetent idiot. not worthy of any level of head coaching in the NFL, College or High school. He never got another opportunity. He rode the talent to a head coaching job. collected his check and disappeared into obscurity couple of years after.

oh, by the way you agreed that campo would have gone 6-10 with romo...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

His in game adjustments are nonexistent. See the Falcons game from last year

one game is not enough sample.

in that case if you want a one game sample you can point to bilicheck in the game against Chiefs, giving up 42 points...where was the in game adjustments?

 

[Diehardblues]

defense was campos strength. Who was the DT that was soo good. The one good FA we ever had. Other than that, it was horrid. And more than likely the defense was ranked high because we couldnt score and no one had to bother passing against us.

Greg Ellis?

 

[Diehardblues]

you know, that's very true. I know roy has mentioned at least 114 times that the wade team garrett inherited was good enough to go 11-6 the year before, so if the talent was good enough for parcells to go 10-6, it speaks volumes to incompetence of campo.

Coaching does matter but unfortunately it’s not a priority for Jerry.

 

[Diehardblues]

Stop saying WE. You dont speak for anyone else on here. Garrett is NOT the one that changed the draft culture around here it was 100% McClay. The culture DIDNT change the moment Garrett got here, as you erroneously claimed. It changed 3 years after when McClay got here. Even Garrett tells you in his own world what he doesnt handle the draft. McClay does. And Jerry and Stephen make the picks.

I think most believe Garrett has had an influence in the culture change and vision of the draft.

Remember Wills job as Chief Scout and asst Director of Personnel now is to find talent to fit our needs.

Obviously you don’t have any intention of providing Garrett credit for anything positive since in your opinion he’s horrible at everything which your certainly entitled to believe what you want. It doesn’t mean we have to and we’re going to counter your position.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok now back to his abilities on gameday? He is terrible. One of the worst I have EVER seen. So maybe Garrett should be Jerry's secretary and whisper in his ear. But he has no place whatsoever being around the team on game day or involved in game plan preparation. Garrett should be up in the owners booth with Jerry on game day.

It is what it is. I’m pulling for Garrett to overcome much like we’re all pulling for Dak as well.

We can all circle the wagons , throw the rope over the tree limb to hang Garrett but if Jerry is unwilling to pull the rope then we need to figure out how to overcome it.

I’d like a more elite QB we are probably not going to get it and need to surround Dak with as much talent as possible.

I feel Garrett is surrounding Jethro and Son with the influence as GM we need . Now we need to surround Garrett with greater support in OC, DC and staff. Look how much Will had helped.

Jerry doesn’t seem to mind surrounding more support just not a HC who could recieve as much credit as Jimmy did.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’m going to reserve the right to use the word “we” when it comes to things we’ve all seen, read, and talked about many times here on CZ, thanks.

You’re wrong that the drafts culture didn’t change from Wade to Garrett, point blank. Pointing out that it changed again when a new scouting head was elevated is obvious and beside the point.

I’m not going to bother correcting what you’re misinterpreting on purpose form that particular Garrett quote since the quote is right there in the thread.

Garrett started full time head caoch in 2011. The change occurred in 2014 when McClay got here. 3 years into Garretts tenure. So again, you are proven dead wrong. Mcclay was brought in because of the dysfunction with the draft room. The dysfunction already 3 years into with Garrett. Looks like you dont read very well. LOL

 

[CowboyRoy]

Greg Ellis?

NO, another guy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think most believe Garrett has had an influence in the culture change and vision of the draft.

Remember Wills job as Chief Scout and asst Director of Personnel now is to find talent to fit our needs.

Obviously you don’t have any intention of providing Garrett credit for anything positive since in your opinion he’s horrible at everything which your certainly entitled to believe what you want. It doesn’t mean we have to and we’re going to counter your position.

The quote references Lacewell, who retired from the Cowboys in 2004, so you would think Lacewell's departure and Bill Parcells' arrival in 2003 would have fixed those issues between coaches and scouts in Dallas. Well, you'd be wrong in thinking that.

McClay was promoted to his current role after the 2013 draft, and popular Cowboys lore holds that the promotion was a direct result of the decision to pass on DT Sharrif Floyd.

During the 2013 draft things came to a header when the pro guys made it clear they had no intention of drafting Sharrif Floyd, regardless of how high the scouting department had graded him.

After the draft, the Cowboys were happy with their draft haul, but unhappy with the process that got them there. They had chosen not to draft Floyd because some of the coaches felt he wasn’t the right fit for the Cowboys, even though the Cowboys’ scouts had ranked him fifth on the Cowboys draft board. That disconnect between the scouts and coaches led to the promotion of Will McClay to the most important position in the organization that can be manned by somebody not named Jones.

McClay is now in charge of the draft board, and from what we've gleaned over the years since, the board is no longer constructed “on pure talent,” but designed to deliver the best possible players that fit the Cowboys system - something McClay has demonstrated he can do by bringing in street free agents that contributed but also by finding talent on all three days of the draft for the Cowboys in the drafts he's managed.

 

[Alexander]

Greg Ellis?

Glover.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It is what it is. I’m pulling for Garrett to overcome much like we’re all pulling for Dak as well.

We can all circle the wagons , throw the rope over the tree limb to hang Garrett but if Jerry is unwilling to pull the rope then we need to figure out how to overcome it.

I’d like a more elite QB we are probably not going to get it and need to surround Dak with as much talent as possible.

I feel Garrett is surrounding Jethro and Son with the influence as GM we need . Now we need to surround Garrett with greater support in OC, DC and staff. Look how much Will had helped.

Jerry doesn’t seem to mind surrounding more support just not a HC who could recieve as much credit as Jimmy did.

Garrett isnt the GM here.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Glover.

Yes

 

[Alexander]

The quote references Lacewell, who retired from the Cowboys in 2004, so you would think Lacewell's departure and Bill Parcells' arrival in 2003 would have fixed those issues between coaches and scouts in Dallas. Well, you'd be wrong in thinking that.

McClay was promoted to his current role after the 2013 draft, and popular Cowboys lore holds that the promotion was a direct result of the decision to pass on DT Sharrif Floyd.

During the 2013 draft things came to a header when the pro guys made it clear they had no intention of drafting Sharrif Floyd, regardless of how high the scouting department had graded him.

After the draft, the Cowboys were happy with their draft haul, but unhappy with the process that got them there. They had chosen not to draft Floyd because some of the coaches felt he wasn’t the right fit for the Cowboys, even though the Cowboys’ scouts had ranked him fifth on the Cowboys draft board. That disconnect between the scouts and coaches led to the promotion of Will McClay to the most important position in the organization that can be manned by somebody not named Jones.

McClay is now in charge of the draft board, and from what we've gleaned over the years since, the board is no longer constructed “on pure talent,” but designed to deliver the best possible players that fit the Cowboys system - something McClay has demonstrated he can do by bringing in street free agents that contributed but also by finding talent on all three days of the draft for the Cowboys in the drafts he's managed.

But, but the culture changed with the ousting of that terrible awful Wade Phillips.

 

[cern]

Will mcclay and Stephen work very well together. Bodes well for the team. No playoffs, no more Garrett.

 

[CowboyRoy]

But, but the culture changed with the ousting of that terrible awful Wade Phillips.

bbububububububububut.............wawawawawawade was good enough to get the team to 13 wins.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Will mcclay and Stephen work very well together. Bodes well for the team. No playoffs, no more Garrett.

Even the culture change with the draft and McClay and Stephen arent enough the overcome Garrett.