Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

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I wasn't the one making excuses for campo....I just pointed out your flawed logic. but glad to hear you finally see the truth about wade and campo.

Just stating facts, they all suck. Campo had the least talent. If you care to, go ahead and name the great players that Campo had to work with. And yah, Aikman in his last year is not great. Ill wait.
 

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Just stating facts, they all suck. Campo had the least talent. If you care to, go ahead and name the great players that Campo had to work with. And yah, Aikman in his last year is not great. Ill wait.
Campo actually had a decent defense. One that Parcells inherited in 2003 carrying Quincy to the playoffs. As a matter of fact 2003 was our highest ranked defense in 21st Century.
 

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I don't agree with that. I think we hit on three OL picks in a row. Under Garrett we still had meh picks like Byron Jones, we still had whiffs like Escobar, and we had probably the worst draft bust in franchise history in Claiborne.

And I think the seemingly better moves in very recent years are more Stephen taking over, which is a function of Jerry's age. Nothing to do with Garrett.

But even then, we admitted to wanting Lynch and Connor Cook over Dak in the draft. If we hadn't gotten very lucky with Denver and Oakland taking those guys ahead of us, we'd be in massive trouble with no QB right now.

Ok. We won't be able to parse what's Jason's influence from what's Stephen's. Or who gets credit for McClay. Since we're not in position to know, one way or another. I believe it's part of a team effort, where the HC features prominently. I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to change just when Jason happened to take over coaching the team, and I think we'd give the HC credit for those changes for any other team in the league--and usually do when it comes to comparing somebody positive to Jason Garrett. Just look at what people who don't like Garrett have to say about Doug Pederson to see what I'm getting at.

As for the guys we didn't take but were reported to be interested in, it's a moot point. There were lots of players we had rated above Dak. There might have been guys we liked more than Zeke. We passed on Tony Romo 7 times. We passed on Witten twice. All that matters is who you take and how they play. If that's luck, then it's luck.
 

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Of course you were.

Do you want to talk about McGee as well under Garrett?

Or how about the fact that Prescott had a worse season the more he's worked with these coaches?
You love Garrett because you think he gives you reason to come here everyday and whine.
 

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Just stating facts, they all suck. Campo had the least talent. If you care to, go ahead and name the great players that Campo had to work with. And yah, Aikman in his last year is not great. Ill wait.
there you go again, making excuses for campo.....campo's team sucked. for 3 years. the players on the team sucked. yes. but he is also part of the problem. he never added talent. never improved any of the players... stock as a top 10 picking team for 3 years......and aikman in his last year is not great. neither was Matt cassell when Romo got injured.... if you use that excuse for one, then its the same for the other.
 

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Campo actually had a decent defense. One that Parcells inherited in 2003 carrying Quincy to the playoffs. As a matter of fact 2003 was our highest ranked defense in 21st Century.
you know, that's very true. I know roy has mentioned at least 114 times that the wade team garrett inherited was good enough to go 11-6 the year before, so if the talent was good enough for parcells to go 10-6, it speaks volumes to incompetence of campo.
 

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Campo actually had a decent defense. One that Parcells inherited in 2003 carrying Quincy to the playoffs. As a matter of fact 2003 was our highest ranked defense in 21st Century.

defense was campos strength. Who was the DT that was soo good. The one good FA we ever had. Other than that, it was horrid. And more than likely the defense was ranked high because we couldnt score and no one had to bother passing against us.
 

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there you go again, making excuses for campo.....campo's team sucked. for 3 years. the players on the team sucked. yes. but he is also part of the problem. he never added talent. never improved any of the players... stock as a top 10 picking team for 3 years......and aikman in his last year is not great. neither was Matt cassell when Romo got injured.... if you use that excuse for one, then its the same for the other.

LOL..........Camp didnt build the team. Jerry does. That was Jerry was at his absolute worst. And the team was in salary cap hell. Campo had the worst no doubt. YOu still havent told me who the QB's were. I dont think anyone can even remember they were so bad.

Im not making excuses just stating facts. As I said before, Campo was a joke of a coach just like Garrett. And sorry if that bothers you, I take Campo over Garrett all day every day.
 

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I take Campo over Garrett all day every day.
I think it was CFiH who stated earlier that Campo was the least qualified Cowboys HC ever. I guess he means except for Garrett. Campo at least had been defensive coordinator for a Superbowl winning team. Garrett had two years as a QB coach.

And I think it was you who correctly stated that Campo basically took a bullet for Jerry those three years. That team had no talent, no QB, and was in real salary cap hell, not the type Garrettphiles used as an excuse for Jason the last seven years.
 

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I think it was CFiH who stated earlier that Campo was the least qualified Cowboys HC ever. I guess he means except for Garrett. Campo at least had been defensive coordinator for a Superbowl winning team. Garrett had two years as a QB coach.

And I think it was you who correctly stated that Campo basically took a bullet for Jerry those three years. That team had no talent, no QB, and was in real salary cap hell, not the type Garrettphiles used as an excuse for Jason the last seven years.

LOL.......exactly. Garrett took over a 1-7 team, but taking over a horrid team isnt an excuse for Campo. And the few Garrett apologists act like Garrett just came in and took over. As if he had NOTHING to do with the 1-7 start. Garrett was a big part of the problem and why we went 1-7.
 

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Ok. We won't be able to parse what's Jason's influence from what's Stephen's. Or who gets credit for McClay. Since we're not in position to know, one way or another. I believe it's part of a team effort, where the HC features prominently. I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to change just when Jason happened to take over coaching the team, and I think we'd give the HC credit for those changes for any other team in the league--and usually do when it comes to comparing somebody positive to Jason Garrett. Just look at what people who don't like Garrett have to say about Doug Pederson to see what I'm getting at.

As for the guys we didn't take but were reported to be interested in, it's a moot point. There were lots of players we had rated above Dak. There might have been guys we liked more than Zeke. We passed on Tony Romo 7 times. We passed on Witten twice. All that matters is who you take and how they play. If that's luck, then it's luck.

Ok now back to his abilities on gameday? He is terrible. One of the worst I have EVER seen. So maybe Garrett should be Jerry's secretary and whisper in his ear. But he has no place whatsoever being around the team on game day or involved in game plan preparation. Garrett should be up in the owners booth with Jerry on game day.
 

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Ok. We won't be able to parse what's Jason's influence from what's Stephen's. Or who gets credit for McClay. Since we're not in position to know, one way or another. I believe it's part of a team effort, where the HC features prominently. I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to change just when Jason happened to take over coaching the team, and I think we'd give the HC credit for those changes for any other team in the league--and usually do when it comes to comparing somebody positive to Jason Garrett. Just look at what people who don't like Garrett have to say about Doug Pederson to see what I'm getting at.

As for the guys we didn't take but were reported to be interested in, it's a moot point. There were lots of players we had rated above Dak. There might have been guys we liked more than Zeke. We passed on Tony Romo 7 times. We passed on Witten twice. All that matters is who you take and how they play. If that's luck, then it's luck.

Or who gets credit for McClay. Since we're not in position to know, one way or another. I believe it's part of a team effort, where the HC features prominently. I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to change just when Jason happened to take over coaching the team, and I think we'd give the HC credit for those changes
Ok. We won't be able to parse what's Jason's influence from what's Stephen's. Or who gets credit for McClay. Since we're not in position to know, one way or another. I believe it's part of a team effort, where the HC features prominently. I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to change just when Jason happened to take over coaching the team, and I think we'd give the HC credit for those changes for any other team in the league--and usually do when it comes to comparing somebody positive to Jason Garrett. Just look at what people who don't like Garrett have to say about Doug Pederson to see what I'm getting at.

As for the guys we didn't take but were reported to be interested in, it's a moot point. There were lots of players we had rated above Dak. There might have been guys we liked more than Zeke. We passed on Tony Romo 7 times. We passed on Witten twice. All that matters is who you take and how they play. If that's luck, then it's luck.

Or who gets credit for McClay. Since we're not in position to know, one way or another. I believe it's part of a team effort, where the HC features prominently. I think it's too much of a coincidence for it to change just when Jason happened to take over coaching the team, and I think we'd give the HC credit for those changes

There is no coincidence what so ever involved with McClay. Garrett took over as full time HC in 2011. Will McClay took over the draft process as Head of Personnel in 2014. 3 years difference. Not even close.

Just another one of your theories about the hapless Garrett gets blown away.
 

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Ok now back to his abilities on gameday? He is terrible. One of the worst I have EVER seen. So maybe Garrett should be Jerry's secretary and whisper in his ear. But he has no place whatsoever being around the team on game day or involved in game plan preparation. Garrett should be up in the owners booth with Jerry on game day.

Let's just the two of us not engage on this topic anymore, since I obviously don't put much weight on your gameday assessments of anything. Or on your guesswork re: who does what in preparation for the Dallas draft.

The year McClay was promoted is irrelevant to my point re: how to separate out who gets credit for the decisions, for the record. I mentioned McClay only because he's the other guy besides Stephen Garrett haters point at when they want to shortchange the HC re: changes in how the organization has been running since he took things over. You're not blowing anything away. You're chasing your tail again.
 

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LOL..........Camp didnt build the team. Jerry does. That was Jerry was at his absolute worst. And the team was in salary cap hell. Campo had the worst no doubt. YOu still havent told me who the QB's were. I dont think anyone can even remember they were so bad.

Im not making excuses just stating facts. As I said before, Campo was a joke of a coach just like Garrett. And sorry if that bothers you, I take Campo over Garrett all day every day.
the QB was Quincy Carter.... the same Quincy Carter that went 10-6 with Parcells and to the playoffs.

so you admit its jerry who is messing around with the team. you just used that as an excuse for campo. why doesn't it apply to garrett?

you just in one post stated two complete opposites. on the one hand you made excuses for campo and blamed jerry. on the hand you said you stated facts and not excuses. you are trying to have it both ways.

so jerry has been meandering and has his hands in the pot.... he has thus done it with Garrett as well, that's a fact, yet garrett has been to post winning records or at least get to .500, where campo failed to find a way to work around jerryu. why does that excuse apply to campo and not garrett? its a simple question really.....

if you take campo over garrett, then you have zero credibility and you had none to begin with. and it proves your hatred of garrett is at a personal level for some reason.

and thus you would rather have a puppet and go back to chaotic ways and to losing seasons instead of garrett, which proves you hate garrett more than you like cowboys. you absolutely don't care about cowboys success, you care about your feelings and hatred toward someone. and if we get a coach and go 5-11 for the next 4 years, you will be making excuses because you are happy garrett is not there.

your agenda is pretty clear
 

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Let's just the two of us not engage on this topic anymore, since I obviously don't put much weight on your gameday assessments of anything. Or on your guesswork re: who does what in preparation for the Dallas draft.

The year McClay was promoted is irrelevant to my point re: how to separate out who gets credit for the decisions, for the record. I mentioned McClay only because he's the other guy besides Stephen Garrett haters point at when they want to shortchange the HC re: changes in how the organization has been running since he took things over. You're not blowing anything away. You're chasing your tail again.

This takes out the guess work. Here is Garrett himself and others telling you EXACTLY who runs the show for the draft. Dont blame me for trying to educate you. Time for you to stop spewing nonsense about Garrett and McClay and their roles when its quite clear you dont know what you are talking about. McClay was brought in 3 years after Garrett was head coach SPECIFICALLY to change the way things are done around here with the draft and personnel. Read it and weep.


Do the Joneses sometimes want things that McClay doesn’t want?

Yes. Of course. But these aren’t “problems” because of the way Will McClay brings all the wings of the building together. He is more than a scout, more than a coach, more than an ex-player. He’s “The Unifier.” That should really be Will McClay’s title with the Dallas Cowboys.

And Jason Garrett gave a very similar description to Jon Machota of the Dallas Morning News two years ago.

“Will does a really good job facilitating all of that communication and making sure we’re all on the same page about how we see the player and what his role will be and that’s invaluable. Making sure everyone is aligned is critical and communicating, overcommunicating, challenging each other, that’s all part of the personnel process, and he does a really good job in his role.”

To understand how much this means to the Cowboys, you've got to understand where the Cowboys are coming from. The following quote is taken from a very interesting look at the Cowboys’ draft room put together by Calvin Watkins and Matt Mosley while they were both still covering the Cowboys for ESPN.

Larry Lacewell, the Cowboys’ former director of scouting, said the team used to take pictures of the draft board to make sure nobody would touch it because sneaky coaches would surreptitiously move players around. “It was always coaches vs. scouts,“ Lacewell said. “If a coach liked a certain player, then he might move him from a fifth-round grade to a third-round grade on the board overnight. We get in the next morning and we weren’t sure if the board was right. So we started taking pictures of it every night just to make sure it wasn’t touched when we got in the next day.”

When I first read this, my head almost exploded. How can you let organizational infighting degenerate to such a level that nobody trusts their coworkers anymore? In most companies, behavior like that would be grounds for immediate termination.

The quote references Lacewell, who retired from the Cowboys in 2004, so you would think Lacewell's departure and Bill Parcells' arrival in 2003 would have fixed those issues between coaches and scouts in Dallas. Well, you'd be wrong in thinking that.

McClay was promoted to his current role after the 2013 draft, and popular Cowboys lore holds that the promotion was a direct result of the decision to pass on DT Sharrif Floyd.

During the 2013 draft things came to a header when the pro guys made it clear they had no intention of drafting Sharrif Floyd, regardless of how high the scouting department had graded him.

After the draft, the Cowboys were happy with their draft haul, but unhappy with the process that got them there. They had chosen not to draft Floyd because some of the coaches felt he wasn’t the right fit for the Cowboys, even though the Cowboys’ scouts had ranked him fifth on the Cowboys draft board. That disconnect between the scouts and coaches led to the promotion of Will McClay to the most important position in the organization that can be manned by somebody not named Jones.

McClay is now in charge of the draft board, and from what we've gleaned over the years since, the board is no longer constructed “on pure talent,” but designed to deliver the best possible players that fit the Cowboys system - something McClay has demonstrated he can do by bringing in street free agents that contributed but also by finding talent on all three days of the draft for the Cowboys in the drafts he's managed.
 

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the QB was Quincy Carter.... the same Quincy Carter that went 10-6 with Parcells and to the playoffs.

so you admit its jerry who is messing around with the team. you just used that as an excuse for campo. why doesn't it apply to garrett?

you just in one post stated two complete opposites. on the one hand you made excuses for campo and blamed jerry. on the hand you said you stated facts and not excuses. you are trying to have it both ways.

so jerry has been meandering and has his hands in the pot.... he has thus done it with Garrett as well, that's a fact, yet garrett has been to post winning records or at least get to .500, where campo failed to find a way to work around jerryu. why does that excuse apply to campo and not garrett? its a simple question really.....

if you take campo over garrett, then you have zero credibility and you had none to begin with. and it proves your hatred of garrett is at a personal level for some reason.

and thus you would rather have a puppet and go back to chaotic ways and to losing seasons instead of garrett, which proves you hate garrett more than you like cowboys. you absolutely don't care about cowboys success, you care about your feelings and hatred toward someone. and if we get a coach and go 5-11 for the next 4 years, you will be making excuses because you are happy garrett is not there.

your agenda is pretty clear

LOL.......oh yah, the great Quincy the bong Carter!!!!! And Garrett has Romo and Dak. LOL
 

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This takes out the guess work. Here is Garrett himself and others telling you EXACTLY who runs the show for the draft. Dont blame me for trying to educate you. Time for you to stop spewing nonsense about Garrett and McClay and their roles when its quite clear you dont know what you are talking about. McClay was brought in 3 years after Garrett was head coach SPECIFICALLY to change the way things are done around here with the draft and personnel. Read it and weep..

No, that's actually just some of the sort of detail we all know about how the team organizes the draft process. It isn't illustrative of any point your trying to make, and it doesn't counter anything I've said in any way whatsoever.

I'm not sure why you felt like it was a sliver bullet or that you should post it, honestly, but at least it was a good read. Thanks?
 
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