Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[Alexander]

Just a few months ago the fo offered to make eberflus the dc if he would stay and give marinelli a Monty post. That suggests the fo is not as enamored with rod as some might think. I'd prefer a clean sweep. Hc, oc, and dc. Next year.

I don't think it really played out like you think it did.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The obvious answer is that both of those events were significant. You're the one suggesting only one of them was. For no apparent reason.

The first offseason after Garrett took over, they jettisoned Colombo, Leonard Davis, and Andre Gurode. They got rid of Marion Barber, Roy Willams, and Sam Hurd. Then they drafted Tyron Smith and Demarco Murray in 2011. And Travis Frederick in 2013 in the draft before elevating McClay. If you don't think they made specific changes in how they approached personnel immediately when Jason Garrett came in, you're smoking crack.

Nobody suggested things didn't also change when they elevated McClay. But they've also promoted McClay three times since Garrett's been here. Those promotions all happened with Garrett's input, if he wasn't the driving force for it directly. Again, McClay has been here since 2002. It doesn't take much critical thinking to figure out there's probably a correlation between the new HC liking his work and his string of promotions in the personnel department.

I very much like the 2011 draft. But who was starting at RB for Dallas the following year? Tashard Choice. LOL And Garrett didnt even play Murray much until Choice got injured. Then Murray ran for something like 160 yards. And who started again the next game? Tashard choice. LOL

Tyrone Smith was the obvious choice that year. And why didnt you mention 2012? Because it was a complete joke of a draft. And in 2013, although I like the Frederick pick, the rest was garbage.

Garrett doesnt handle the draft. Jerry, Stephen, McClay does. And there were some solid drafts before Garrett was here. The Dez draft was good. By Cowboy standards.

How can you be taken seriously when you claim that Garrett is the GM here?

The best two drafts in my opinion were the last two years. Ive said that recently.

Jerry is getting older, Stephen is taking over and McClay is fully entrenched. Garrett continues to struggle with what a head coach is supposed to do. Manage on game day and push the right buttons with his players. Those are the facts.

 

[Diehardblues]

Take a look at 2012.

2012 wasn’t as good but 2011 was a banner draft. Best since Parcell. 2012 was downgraded basically with Claiborne.

It’s all in how you want to spin it my friend.

 

[cern]

I don't think it really played out like you think it did.

Eberflus moved on. Kris Richard hired and more than likely our new dc. Bodes well for team.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's not their choice. It's what Jerry puts in writing. Jerry will determine his exit strategy just as he will distribute his estate in his will. That's how things work in a legal format. Personal jealousy is irrelevant in this case.

Why would Jerry snub Char and Jerry Jr for Stephen ?

 

[CowboyRoy]

2012 wasn’t as good but 2011 was a banner draft. Best since Parcell. 2012 was downgraded basically with Claiborne.

It’s all in how you want to spin it my friend.

McClay and Stephen are the obvious big changes to how we approach the draft and player acquisition. Stephen was the one that talked Jerry out of Manziel, not Garrett. McClay was hired to handle the draft board and bring the entire organization together in that regard. Garrett acknowledges this in his own words. NO ONE EVER in the organization credits Garrett with player acquisition. He simply doenst do that here.

Its funny because most supporters of a coach would point to how he performs at coaching duties. running the team on game day, scheme, getting his players to over achieve. None of you Garrett guys do that here. NONE of you. Because you cant. You know he stinks at it. So you wiggle your way over to something that like moderate improvement in the draft. LOL

Sorry bub, Garrett doenst handle that. You struck out again.

 

[Alexander]

Eberflus moved on. Kris Richard hired and more than likely our new dc. Bodes well for team.

I am still quite impressed how Richard is viewed as some savior.

It is not like he was the architect of the Legion of Boom. He had a hand in development, perhaps. That is what I have always understood about him. He was a fine positional coach for that set of players.

But he was not exactly sterling as a DC in Seattle.

 

[Diehardblues]

McClay and Stephen are the obvious big changes to how we approach the draft and player acquisition. Stephen was the one that talked Jerry out of Manziel, not Garrett. McClay was hired to handle the draft board and bring the entire organization together in that regard. Garrett acknowledges this in his own words. NO ONE EVER in the organization credits Garrett with player acquisition. He simply doenst do that here.

Its funny because most supporters of a coach would point to how he performs at coaching duties. running the team on game day, scheme, getting his players to over achieve. None of you Garrett guys do that here. NONE of you. Because you cant. You know he stinks at it. So you wiggle your way over to something that like moderate improvement in the draft. LOL

Sorry bub, Garrett doenst handle that. You struck out again.

That’s not how I see it.

And obviously nothing would influence your opinion. It appears a dead end discussion.

You can continue your view and I will mine.

 

[Idgit]

I very much like the 2011 draft. But who was starting at RB for Dallas the following year? Tashard Choice. LOL And Garrett didnt even play Murray much until Choice got injured. Then Murray ran for something like 160 yards. And who started again the next game? Tashard choice. LOL

Tyrone Smith was the obvious choice that year. And why didnt you mention 2012? Because it was a complete joke of a draft. And in 2013, although I like the Frederick pick, the rest was garbage.

Garrett doesnt handle the draft. Jerry, Stephen, McClay does. And there were some solid drafts before Garrett was here. The Dez draft was good. By Cowboy standards.

How can you be taken seriously when you claim that Garrett is the GM here?

The best two drafts in my opinion were the last two years. Ive said that recently.

Jerry is getting older, Stephen is taking over and McClay is fully entrenched. Garrett continues to struggle with what a head coach is supposed to do. Manage on game day and push the right buttons with his players. Those are the facts.

Man, your posts are a logical mess. There's no getting around the fact that there was an obvious philosophical change as soon as Garrett took over to rebuild the offensive line and install a power running game. That's simply a fact. I didn't mention the 2012 draft because we didn't bring in players in that draft who ended up being a part of that process. I'm not defending the drafts under Garrett because I don't have to.

Of the two of us here, Roy, only one of us is not taken seriously on the site, and it's not me. I also have never claimed that Garrett is the GM here. That's something you made up, and is an example of why you're not taken seriously.

Also, you don't appear to know what it is a HC does in the NFL.

 

[Alexander]

2012 wasn’t as good but 2011 was a banner draft. Best since Parcell. 2012 was downgraded basically with Claiborne.

It’s all in how you want to spin it my friend.

2012 is the year we bent over backwards for Rob Ryan.

He wanted cornerbacks. He got cornerbacks. And it set back the franchise.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jethro and Son have been the same constant throughout .

The changes in our organization is Jason and Will. They are influencing the draft decisions.

 

[Diehardblues]

2012 is the year we bent over backwards for Rob Ryan.

He wanted cornerbacks. He got cornerbacks. And it set back the franchise.

Yep and why he was fired following.

 

[Diehardblues]

If Garrett was only responsible for his Game Day coaching results he would have been fired as well. But it’s his influence and vision which has steered this franchise in a better direction.

 

[Idgit]

I am still quite impressed how Richard is viewed as some savior.

It is not like he was the architect of the Legion of Boom. He had a hand in development, perhaps. That is what I have always understood about him. He was a fine positional coach for that set of players.

But he was not exactly sterling as a DC in Seattle.

I don't get it, either. How often does Carroll replace a guy, anyway?

That said, at least to hear him talk, he does sound like a guy who knows what he's doing. I just don't get why everybody assumes he's a savior coming in. Let's see the DBs improve and then get excited.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Man, your posts are a logical mess. There's no getting around the fact that there was an obvious philosophical change as soon as Garrett took over to rebuild the offensive line and install a power running game. That's simply a fact. I didn't mention the 2012 draft because we didn't bring in players in that draft who ended up being a part of that process. I'm not defending the drafts under Garrett because I don't have to.

Of the two of us here, Roy, only one of us is not taken seriously on the site, and it's not me. I also have never claimed that Garrett is the GM here. That's something you made up, and is an example of why you're not taken seriously.

Also, you don't appear to know what it is a HC does in the NFL.

If the philosophical changes began as soon as Garrett arrive then why did they bring in Mclay in 2014 to correct the dysfunction with the draft? LOL

Sorry your theory gets stonewalled again.

Are you claiming now that Garrett and other head coaches all have the same power within an organization?

How can anyone take what you say seriously when you think Garrett is the GM here?

 

[Alexander]

Yep and why he was fired following.

You don't see the problem here?

The fact is they are so inept as a franchise to figure out football that they handed over an entire offseason investment to Ryan. Literally.

So please, tell me now how that suggests that the same men, doing the same things, are more equipped?

 

[Idgit]

If Garrett was only responsible for his Game Day coaching results he would have been fired as well. But it’s his influence and vision which has steered this franchise in a better direction.

For sure. He's not a very good gameday coach. He was below average when he started, which was probably to be expected given his experience level. He's improved, and it's helped to have Linehan and Marinelli along. But we're still a fairly mediocre gameday team.

Gamedays aren't the most important part of coaching, though.

 

[Alexander]

I don't get it, either. How often does Carroll replace a guy, anyway?

That said, at least to hear him talk, he does sound like a guy who knows what he's doing. I just don't get why everybody assumes he's a savior coming in. Let's see the DBs improve and then get excited.

I really would appreciate it if you did not agree with me.

Now I am beginning to doubt my own convictions.

 

[Diehardblues]

If the philosophical changes began as soon as Garrett arrive then why did they bring in Mclay in 2014 to correct the dysfunction with the draft? LOL

Sorry your theory gets stonewalled again.

Are you claiming now that Garrett and other head coaches all have the same power within an organization?

How can anyone take what you say seriously when you think Garrett is the GM here?

Wasn’t Will already a scout working with Jason’s brother?

 

[cern]

Why would Jerry snub Char and Jerry Jr for Stephen ?

"Snub" is a very subjective definition. Who's been working with jerry for years as vp, coo, director of player personnel? Stephen, that's who. Why would you think Jerry would suddenly change that. The hierarchical structure of the team isn't mutually exclusive to its ownership.