Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[Blake]

Stop saying WE. You dont speak for anyone else on here. Garrett is NOT the one that changed the draft culture around here it was 100% McClay. The culture DIDNT change the moment Garrett got here, as you erroneously claimed. It changed 3 years after when McClay got here. Even Garrett tells you in his own world what he doesnt handle the draft. McClay does. And Jerry and Stephen make the picks.

Psst!. Idgit is kind of a tool. Amirite?

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett isnt the GM here.

And of course not what I said.

 

[Diehardblues]

Even the culture change with the draft and McClay and Stephen arent enough the overcome Garrett.

Actually I’m not sure anyone is enough to overcome Jerry except someone like Jimmy.

But Garrett has provided me the most hope in last 25 years. Well , Bill did briefly.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

the sensitivity of the Garrett supporters.... just say Garrett is the best ever and the super bowl trophy should be named after him. We went from being irrelevant in post season play before Garrett and during the Garrett experiment..now we can brag that we are getting better draft picks and the same coaching results . lmao.

They're still pointing to his interim stint eight years ago where he barely had a winning record thanks to Andy Reid playing an entire third team in week 16. Eight games, eight years ago! How sad is that?

 

[Diehardblues]

The quote references Lacewell, who retired from the Cowboys in 2004, so you would think Lacewell's departure and Bill Parcells' arrival in 2003 would have fixed those issues between coaches and scouts in Dallas. Well, you'd be wrong in thinking that.

McClay was promoted to his current role after the 2013 draft, and popular Cowboys lore holds that the promotion was a direct result of the decision to pass on DT Sharrif Floyd.

During the 2013 draft things came to a header when the pro guys made it clear they had no intention of drafting Sharrif Floyd, regardless of how high the scouting department had graded him.

After the draft, the Cowboys were happy with their draft haul, but unhappy with the process that got them there. They had chosen not to draft Floyd because some of the coaches felt he wasn’t the right fit for the Cowboys, even though the Cowboys’ scouts had ranked him fifth on the Cowboys draft board. That disconnect between the scouts and coaches led to the promotion of Will McClay to the most important position in the organization that can be manned by somebody not named Jones.

McClay is now in charge of the draft board, and from what we've gleaned over the years since, the board is no longer constructed “on pure talent,” but designed to deliver the best possible players that fit the Cowboys system - something McClay has demonstrated he can do by bringing in street free agents that contributed but also by finding talent on all three days of the draft for the Cowboys in the drafts he's managed.

So, whose system is it Will is delivering the best possible players?

You copied Wikipedia and didn’t note it was a reference. Lol

 

[Alexander]

Even the culture change with the draft and McClay and Stephen arent enough the overcome Garrett.

Talent acquisition and talent utilization are two different things.

 

[Diehardblues]

Leading the Lynch Mob for Garrett serves no purpose.

We can all agree we’d like a better coach but this is probably the best we can hope for. It’s like having a less than elite QB.

We just need to surround them with the most support and talent we can and hope it’s enough.

 

[Alexander]

They're still pointing to his interim stint eight years ago where he barely had a winning record thanks to Andy Reid playing an entire third team in week 16. Eight games, eight years ago! How sad is that?

That is an incredible habit from the Garrett lovers that I really have yet to grasp.

How exactly does that matter again? We promptly went out and went through three consecutive .500 seasons with his awesome culture in effect. T-shirts and all.

 

[Alexander]

Leading the Lynch Mob for Garrett serves no purpose.

We can all agree we’d like a better coach but this is probably the best we can hope for. It’s like having a less than elite QB.

We just need to surround them with the most support and talent we can and hope it’s enough.

So when do we get elite OCs and DCs to support Garrett?

Is that the next step?

 

[Diehardblues]

Talent acquisition and talent utilization are two different things.

Yep. Scouts job is to find talent to meet the needs of the organization. Scouts aren’t team builders or developers of talent

 

[cern]

Even the culture change with the draft and McClay and Stephen arent enough the overcome Garrett.

I don't see Garrett being in Stephen's plans.

 

[Alexander]

I wonder if Bengals fans have had the same discussion for the last 15 years.

 

[Diehardblues]

So when do we get elite OCs and DCs to support Garrett?

Is that the next step?

I hope that’s the next step. Jerry appears less threatened by experienced and proven asst coaches versus head coaches.

 

[Alexander]

I don't see Garrett being in Stephen's plans.

Based on what evidence? Hope?

 

[Alexander]

I hope that’s the next step. Jerry appears less threatened by experienced and proven asst coaches versus head coaches.

Awesome. So now it is a waiting game to see what high quality coordinators shake loose that we can pair with the stooge head coach he won't get rid of.

 

[Diehardblues]

I wonder if Bengals fans have had the same discussion for the last 15 years.

I doubt cause they’re just happy to be a consistent playoff team. Despite Marvin Lewis futility in the playoffs he’s matched the franchise playoff appearances during his tenure.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't see Garrett being in Stephen's plans.

We certainly can’t be sure. I’m not even sure of Stephens future after Jerry is gone .

Will Jerry Jr and Char allow Stephen to run football operations as he sees fit especially without Anymore success?

 

[cern]

Based on what evidence? Hope?

Dak over Tony. No dez. New o-line coach. New wr coach. More autonomy for Linehan.

 

[Idgit]

Garrett started full time head caoch in 2011. The change occurred in 2014 when McClay got here. 3 years into Garretts tenure. So again, you are proven dead wrong. Mcclay was brought in because of the dysfunction with the draft room. The dysfunction already 3 years into with Garrett. Looks like you dont read very well. LOL

You keep throwing out these data points as if they dispute anything I've said previously. But since they don't in any way, it's pointless and adds nothing to the discussion here.

We know when McClay was promoted. He wasn't 'brought in' because he's worked in our personnel department since 2002. He was made Assistant Director of Player Personnel in 2013. Vice President of Player Personnel in 2017.

 

[Diehardblues]

Awesome. So now it is a waiting game to see what high quality coordinators shake loose that we can pair with the stooge head coach he won't get rid of.

Most likely Marinelli is about to retire and any struggles in offense this year will result in Linehans departure.

We’ll be lucky to find a better DC than Rod. He’s done pretty well over the years with mostly Jags, high risk situations, Draft bust, suspensions and injuries.