Which is it?

[TwistedL0g1k]

Case in point- imagine if Randy Gregory had been drafted by another organization. Do any of us believe we would have offered him a 5 year, $70 million dollar deal as we had done last year? No way. But because he was THEIR pick, he’s worth it.

I agree, but by their way of thinking- the difference is they feel they have intimate knowledge of their own draft picks. So the risk level is different. The free agents have more unknowns.

 

[exciter]

If once again the Cowboys front office chooses this off-season to go the bargain basement route in free agency to enhance their roster, what does it say about their thinking? What is their logic? Which of these phrases is most true?

• A. They honestly believe “their way” (despite all the evidence of the last three decades to the contrary) is going to somehow win a championship.
• B. They really don’t know how to build a roster that can compete for a championship and know it, but don’t care enough to change or just hope they get lucky.
• C. They are completely delusional and believe their own PR.
• D. All of the above.

At this point, I believe it’s either B or C.
You?

None of the above. Simple reality, outside FAs fail about 80% of the time. If they’re free, there’s more than likely some issue for why their team didn’t want them. If and when they believe they’re a player or 2 from making a serious run, then that’s when you make a splash signing. They’re not there yet. Until they get there, it would just be running the team like a child with with a need for instant gratification. Looking back at all the results of players fans here have lamented we didn’t sign the last 5 years and you really begin to think they should just stick to trying to fetch the toilet paper during the family trip to Walmart… it would be a disaster on a Jaguars/Browns level!

 

[fivetwos]

As someone said earlier in here, by neglecting free agency as a key ingredient to building a great roster, they put tremendous pressure on their drafts. And their tendency to over-value their own players makes them look delusional as talent evaluators.

Case in point- imagine if Randy Gregory had been drafted by another organization. Do any of us believe we would have offered him a 5 year, $70 million dollar deal as we had done last year? No way. But because he was THEIR pick, he’s worth it. Zeke’s big contract is another example. We set the market bar on a RB but in the 7 seasons we’ve had Zeke, we’ve won two wild card games.

Yep, I used that example during one the “sign Payne” fantasy threads.

Not that they were ever going to have a shot to sign him, but not the point.

If they had a player like him already here, they would never let him leave and open the vault, but they would never do that with someone that wasn’t already here.

When Parcells was here he taught them about “the devil you know.” They said it. I read it. They are using things like that to a flaw and are generally operating in a different decade.

 

[Bobhaze]

None of the above. Simple reality, outside FAs fail about 80% of the time. If they’re free, there’s more than likely some issue for why their team didn’t want them. If and when they believe they’re a player or 2 from making a serious run, then that’s when you make a splash signing. They’re not there yet. Until they get there, it would just be running the team like a child with with a need for instant gratification. Looking back at all the results of players fans here have lamented we didn’t sign the last 5 years and you really begin to think they should just stick to trying to fetch the toilet paper during the family trip to Walmart… it would be a disaster on a Jaguars/Browns level!

“Instant gratification“? How about once every 28 years or so?

 

[fivetwos]

I agree, but by their way of thinking- the difference is they feel they have intimate knowledge of their own draft picks. So the risk level is different. The free agents have more unknowns.

Yeah but, NFL GMs are supposed to know all the players in the league.

Jerry and kid can’t even get the names of their own players right.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If once again the Cowboys front office chooses this off-season to go the bargain basement route in free agency to enhance their roster, what does it say about their thinking? What is their logic? Which of these phrases is most true?

• A. They honestly believe “their way” (despite all the evidence of the last three decades to the contrary) is going to somehow win a championship.
• B. They really don’t know how to build a roster that can compete for a championship and know it, but don’t care enough to change or just hope they get lucky.
• C. They are completely delusional and believe their own PR.
• D. All of the above.

At this point, I believe it’s either B or C.
You?

E. They arent nearly as interested in winning a championship as they let on. And they believe their way is the most efficient way to maximize profits. As long as they arent 1999-2002 quality, the money will roll in

 

[Reid1boys]

A or C

I don't think they know that they have flaws in their roster building. I think they truly are delusional and think they have found the ideal way to roster build in today's NFL.

I also tend to think they won't sacrifice being good to try to be great. They are deathly afraid of taking risks and then end up getting burned and have a 2-3 year run where they suck. So they'd rather kind of just float in the land of decent/good and just hope they get lucky.

what is the ideal way to roster build?

I bet we could put the top 5 free agent spenders of the past 10 years and Id be shocked if we had more than 2 SB winners in that bunch.

 

[blueblood70]

Archer tweeted don’t expect anything.

Gehlken tweeted don’t expect anything

I’m once again not saying break the bank day one. But at least sign a few starters at WR, CB, LB. But we know they won’t

you believe writers who are not at the ranch and before everything even starts? lmao good one be the sheep lol overreact to articles made to make you click read and overreact, they and this pace all said we had a historically bad offseason, and our roster would at best with luck win 9 games..afer dak went down 5 games was the predictions. hmm, lots of people were WRONG. apparently, they built team and coached them well enough to make the 2nd round. not bad for horribly built team with crap puppet coaching, and FO who doesn't care.

 

[nightrain]

If once again the Cowboys front office chooses this off-season to go the bargain basement route in free agency to enhance their roster, what does it say about their thinking? What is their logic? Which of these phrases is most true?

• A. They honestly believe “their way” (despite all the evidence of the last three decades to the contrary) is going to somehow win a championship.
• B. They really don’t know how to build a roster that can compete for a championship and know it, but don’t care enough to change or just hope they get lucky.
• C. They are completely delusional and believe their own PR.
• D. All of the above.

At this point, I believe it’s either B or C.
You?

Definitely B. They don't put the work in to be competent at roster building. I bet they don't listen to the other voices beyond the obvious maneuvers.

 

[noshame]

V. Vegetables

 

[75boyz]

yet another WHINE FEST COMMENTING FAN In here, I guess you're happy with our current success, you must be a part of the jones family, no maybe you're just a part of the problem! We've earned the right to WHINE, look at what this team is doing, we make BILLIONS of dollars, yet when it's time to spend, we get cold feet! They say they want to win, but what are we doing to get over the hump, look at the teams that are winning, and see what they're doing to get over the hump!!!!

Yeah,
The guys supporting Jerry's Way and all HIS post season success are already igs or scroll pasts.
Along with their penchant for attempting to regulate opinions on all this success deems them not worth mine or anyone's time.

 

[Bobhaze]

what is the ideal way to roster build?

I bet we could put the top 5 free agent spenders of the past 10 years and Id be shocked if we had more than 2 SB winners in that bunch.

It’s not about “big spending”. It’s about being wise and strategic in all 3 phases of team building- draft, trades and free agency. Spending big is not what I’m suggesting.

But doing what we’ve been doing hasn’t gotten us more than an occasional WC game win. Is that worth repeating? To me it’s not. If we’re not willing to take some risks, the rewards won’t be there either.

 

[fivetwos]

Definitely B. They don't put the work in to be competent at roster building. I bet they don't listen to the other voices beyond the obvious maneuvers.

I would speculate that things are along the lines of McClay doing the actual job of GM up to a point, but instead of acting on those thoughts, he is required to bring them to Jerry and Son, who then determine if it’s ‘worth it,’ and 49 times out of 50 the kid says it isn’t.

And it never will be over the value of a draft pick, but they don’t seem to want to account for the bust factor.

Their plan is ideal if they hit on just about every pick, and end up the best drafting team in league history. Otherwise it’s clearly set up for failure. This strategy would have gone over much better before free agency/cap.

Now, there are windows, and small ones. That’s how the system is set up, and they think they can defy it.

It’s been said already here, but it’s 100% true that they don’t want to risk getting worse in order to get better.

 

[Diehardblues]

We are setting the bar too high for a front office whose initial priority isn’t winning a championship.

 

[kskboys]

If once again the Cowboys front office chooses this off-season to go the bargain basement route in free agency to enhance their roster, what does it say about their thinking? What is their logic? Which of these phrases is most true?

• A. They honestly believe “their way” (despite all the evidence of the last three decades to the contrary) is going to somehow win a championship.
• B. They really don’t know how to build a roster that can compete for a championship and know it, but don’t care enough to change or just hope they get lucky.
• C. They are completely delusional and believe their own PR.
• D. All of the above.

At this point, I believe it’s either B or C.
You?

B, w/ an added caveat. They are confused. They've tried everything they can w/ Jerry as GM. Everything has failed miserably.

When Tuna left, Jerry thought he could do what Tuna did, remember? Finding nice contributors in the mid/late rounds of the draft, as well as signing mid tier FA's. Tuna would never have agreed w/ the Cooper trade, the Carr signing, the Taco drafting, the Jaylon Smith drafting, the Escobar drafting, and the excessive FA signings of players who are/were simply not very good.

The saddest part of all is that if Tuna had staying a few more years, there's a good chance we'd have won a super bowl. Jerry should've been begging him to stay. The 09 STs draft does not happen if Tuna is there. The Roy Williams trade doesn't happen.

Tuna would've had OL replacements already on the roster after the OL started degrading so badly down the stretch in 09.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s not about “big spending”. It’s about being wise and strategic in all 3 phases of team building- draft, trades and free agency. Spending big is not what I’m suggesting.

But doing what we’ve been doing hasn’t gotten us more than an occasional WC game win. Is that worth repeating? To me it’s not. If we’re not willing to take some risks, the rewards won’t be there either.

We obviously aren’t willing to take the risk needed to be a more serious SB contender.

This front office is content with a playoff contender they can hype and promote optimizing their revenue.

And as a result there’s no other pressure for more success. They have even told as much in so many words. I’m not sure why we expect more from them ?

 

[kskboys]

E. fans dont know anything in relationship to building a team and overreact every offseason before rosters bult and any real games are played and typically wrong.
d. they will respond using 27year narrative saying we were right but that would be 30 teams yearly that don't make a SB, so great odds of being right LOL...

both posts now, same subject..

TRO was right in the the other post

Our SB winner

Show me all the offseason moves made in the first 2 waves of FA where they added top line names at 20mil per head for 3rd or 4th contract guys regardless of how good they were or might have somehting to offer??? I dont follow the chiefs too close but they dumped more big names similar to what we did last offseason and found younger and or cheaper payers that did solid job to get us to another 12 win season in the 2nd round. even though this pace sounded the same and said we didnt do enough most had us under 9 wins and no playoffs.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/07/offseason-in-review-kansas-city-chiefs-3

I skimmed it cant find those big names that were added you know like trade for vet that demands 20 mil per season.

• Justin Reid, S. Three years, $31.5MM. $20.49MM guaranteed.
• Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR. Three years, $30MM. $8.56MM guaranteed.
• J.J. Smith-Schuster, WR. One year, $3.25MM. $2.49MM guaranteed.
• Andrew Wylie, OL. One year, $2.54MM. $2.54MM guaranteed.
• Derrick Nnadi, DT. One year, $2.75MM. $2.5MM guaranteed.
• Chad Henne, QB. One year, $2MM. $2MM guaranteed.
• Jermaine Carter, LB. One year, $1.77MM. $1.77MM guaranteed.
• Geron Christian, T. One year, $1.19MM. $1MM guaranteed.
• Ronald Jones, RB. One year, $1.5MM. $750K guaranteed.
• Taylor Stallworth, DT. One year, $1.19MM. $300K guaranteed.
• Austin Reiter, OL. One year, $1MM.
• Jerick McKinnon, RB. One year, $1MM.

All i see id they traded or let walk some of their best players on both sides and added less expensive options nothing big at all.

you will see if you skim the nfl maybe 4 -5 teams make these big splash moves the rest just try and build solid roster and add to what they have and build on it or others have firesales payig for those big spash moves from the last 2 offseason and now are rebuilding...

I how they add some help but who that is and what the compensation is, doesn't matter, we will see their worth in the season, not before, names are names but how they gel and produce for US not the teams before them that matters..

there are a lot of players being released this week and beyond that can help the cowboys but not demanding 20mil or a trade. the 4 names that keep being over discussed are not the only players avialable . jeez the crying already stared over Ramseys and I knew that wasnt happening. Only 3rd no its his guaranteed 20mil per season that doesn't fit.,

how about we wait until august to start the discussion on the season and who they acauty added in FA and the draft and comue into games vs the Constant overreactions 24-7 in MARCH , before the league year and the real moves start being made?

Swiiiiiiiiiiing and a miss.

How in the world do you completely miss the idea being presented in this thread?

 

[CTcowboy203]

A with a mixture of c

 

[kskboys]

We obviously aren’t willing to take the risk needed to be a more serious SB contender.

This front office is content with a playoff contender they can hype and promote optimizing their revenue.

And as a result there’s no other pressure for more success. They have even told as much in so many words. I’m not sure why we expect more from them ?

And think about. It was blatantly obvious that the O and Dlines were degrading during the 09 season. All Jerry has to do is trade away some pieces that still had value and BLAM, we could've built a true contender. Instead of working hard on replacing some parts, we traded up for Dez. Doesn't matter if you liked Dez or not, the truth of the matter is that we weren't a Dez away, which makes trading up for him monumentally inane.

 

[Diehardblues]

B, w/ an added caveat. They are confused. They've tried everything they can w/ Jerry as GM. Everything has failed miserably.

When Tuna left, Jerry thought he could do what Tuna did, remember? Finding nice contributors in the mid/late rounds of the draft, as well as signing mid tier FA's. Tuna would never have agreed w/ the Cooper trade, the Carr signing, the Taco drafting, the Jaylon Smith drafting, the Escobar drafting, and the excessive FA signings of players who are/were simply not very good.

The saddest part of all is that if Tuna had staying a few more years, there's a good chance we'd have won a super bowl. Jerry should've been begging him to stay. The 09 STs draft does not happen if Tuna is there. The Roy Williams trade doesn't happen.

Tuna would've had OL replacements already on the roster after the OL started degrading so badly down the stretch in 09.

Yep

Those later round picks Tuna took don’t work with Jethro cause he doesn’t have an eye for talent. That’s why he’s willing to take those risk with injury history or problem players with talent that drop in draft.