Which offense would you choose in 2023?

[Proof]

Kellen’s offense worked. To put all the blame on the #1 ranked offense is a little severe.

McCarthy got play calling stripped in GB and it ultimately got him fired. The devil you know vs the devil you don’t.

mccarthy won a sb kellen got fired

 

[Risen Star]

The only defense for Kellen is that our offense was highly ranked. Hard to argue that, right?
Yet, how many of you were really impressed with the actual scheme?
Why could we never run a successful screen with a RB?
Why did every trick play end with negative yards?
Why did our offense disappear in most big games?
Kellen rarely ran rub routes or crossing pattern to scheme receivers open.
The scheme and play calling were extremely vanilla.

So, despite the actual production, you just didn't like the way it looked.

Noted.

You're right. The only defense of Kellen is production.

 

[gimmesix]

Now that you know the direction they've taken with the offense and that it will be all Mike McCarthy, which do you prefer?

McCarthy's. He got a team to the Super Bowl with it, and I was hoping that it was what we were going to see when he was hired instead of him just keeping the Garrett-Moore offense from the previous year.

The Garrett-Moore offense definitely has its strengths, but it also has its limitations that usually show up in the playoffs against strong defenses.

 

[Risen Star]

McCarthy's. He got a team to the Super Bowl with it, and I was hoping that it was what we were going to see when he was hired instead of him just keeping the Garrett-Moore offense from the previous year.

The Garrett-Moore offense definitely has its strengths, but it also has its limitations that usually show up in the playoffs against strong defenses.

Yes. Aaron Rodgers vs Dak Prescott has nothing to do with that.

 

[gimmesix]

I think we're going to find out that the problem was *not* the OC.

Moore had his limitations, but often it was just Dak failing to execute or read the open WR.

And why do we think that McCarthy is the answer? Why did he *stop* calling plays for Rodgers? Because he was just too good that it wasn't fair to other teams?

He stopped calling plays for Rodgers because Rodgers got hurt. The year before McCarthy was fired, Rodgers broke his collarbone then tried to return from the injury too soon. The next year, Rodgers has admitted playing on a fractured leg. McCarthy tried to change his play-calling to adjust to Rodgers' injuries and Rodgers got mad about it.

 

[Jake]

It really shouldn't be a make or break year. It almost definitely is but I don't think it's fair.

Well, Big Mike isn't Jerry's adopted son (so he won't get 10 years) and fans are going to need another scapegoat for the real problem.

 

[gimmesix]

Yes. Aaron Rodgers vs Dak Prescott has nothing to do with that.

Don't care. McCarthy still got a team to the Super Bowl using his system and took a team to multiple NFC title games, so I'd rather see him try than keep using a system that has failed to get us past the divisional round. Maybe he can't do it with Dak at QB, but at least we'll see that instead of seeing the same thing we've been seeing.

I think it's weak to discount the play-caller because of who the QB was of a Super Bowl-winning team. With almost all of the teams who've won Super Bowls, you could say yes, but he had (insert Hall of Fame QB). Do we discount the play-callers for Aikman, Montana, Walsh, Brady, etc.?

How good will Sean Payton's system in Denver be without Brees? We don't know, but when you hire Payton, you expect him to install his system instead of just keeping the previous coach's coordinator and running the existing system. Same for me with McCarthy.

 

[gimmesix]

Kellen’s offense worked. To put all the blame on the #1 ranked offense is a little severe.

McCarthy got play calling stripped in GB and it ultimately got him fired. The devil you know vs the devil you don’t.

Rodgers being hurt ultimately got McCarthy fired.

 

[gimmesix]

It really shouldn't be a make or break year. It almost definitely is but I don't think it's fair.

I think it should be a progress year. He earned another year with me for getting the team to the divisional round. He'll earn another year with me if he gets it to the championship round. I don't want regular-season success to have us spin our wheels just accepting making the playoffs as a benchmark.

I know some here are Super Bowl or bust, but the Joneses' claim is that they want to build a team and not just go all in. If that's the goal, then you have to accept just making progress each year as the benchmark. If they went all in, then Super Bowl should be the expectation for McCarthy.

 

[gimmesix]

Yes. Aaron Rodgers vs Dak Prescott has nothing to do with that.

We'll also get to see in the 2023 how Moore can do with a different QB. That should give us a good gauge for Prescott's play. If the Chargers have the No. 1 offense and Herbert has a great year, then it's easier to say McCarthy and Dak are the problems if our offense fails. BTW, Herbert was 11th in Total QBR this year and Dak was 12th. So I think we have a good measuring stick.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Now that you know the direction they've taken with the offense and that it will be all Mike McCarthy, which do you prefer?

Schemes don’t matter if the QB isn’t better and if there’s not more than one viable option to throw to.

 

[Buzzbait]

Don't care. McCarthy still got a team to the Super Bowl using his system and took a team to multiple NFC title games, so I'd rather see him try than keep using a system that has failed to get us past the divisional round. Maybe he can't do it with Dak at QB, but at least we'll see that instead of seeing the same thing we've been seeing.

I think it's weak to discount the play-caller because of who the QB was of a Super Bowl-winning team. With almost all of the teams who've won Super Bowls, you could say yes, but he had (insert Hall of Fame QB). Do we discount the play-callers for Aikman, Montana, Walsh, Brady, etc.?

How good will Sean Payton's system in Denver be without Brees? We don't know, but when you hire Payton, you expect him to install his system instead of just keeping the previous coach's coordinator and running the existing system. Same for me with McCarthy.

Well said gimmesix. I want to see the Cowboys be able to contend with the SF teams and make it to the NFC championship game as a contender.- If we don't change something, nothing will change. Moore and his Mentor Garrett have had their turns and failed. It's McCarthy's turn.
Nothing changes if you don't try. NOTHING. If McCarthy can't make it happen, then you try something else, but again nothing will change if you don't try.
I'm going with McCarthy.

 

[Risen Star]

Don't care. McCarthy still got a team to the Super Bowl using his system and took a team to multiple NFC title games, so I'd rather see him try than keep using a system that has failed to get us past the divisional round. Maybe he can't do it with Dak at QB, but at least we'll see that instead of seeing the same thing we've been seeing.

I think it's weak to discount the play-caller because of who the QB was of a Super Bowl-winning team. With almost all of the teams who've won Super Bowls, you could say yes, but he had (insert Hall of Fame QB). Do we discount the play-callers for Aikman, Montana, Walsh, Brady, etc.?

How good will Sean Payton's system in Denver be without Brees? We don't know, but when you hire Payton, you expect him to install his system instead of just keeping the previous coach's coordinator and running the existing system. Same for me with McCarthy.

Well you might not care but I assure you it's relevant. Mike McCarthy wasn't going to any Super Bowls in Green Bay with Dak Prescott but Kellen Moore might have the last two years with Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Risen Star]

Really lopsided poll results. Proving the team thinks for most of you.

 

[Buzzbait]

Well you might not care but I assure you it's relevant. Mike McCarthy wasn't going to any Super Bowls in Green Bay with Dak Prescott but Kellen Moore might have the last two years with Aaron Rodgers.

Well Aaron Rodgers isn't here (Thank goodness) so we'll never know. So we need to find a way to get there without Rodgers and without Garrett #2 Kellen Moore. I'm willing to give McCarthy his chance to make it happen.

 

[ESisback]

I think we're going to find out that the problem was *not* the OC.

Moore had his limitations, but often it was just Dak failing to execute or read the open WR.

And why do we think that McCarthy is the answer? Why did he *stop* calling plays for Rodgers? Because he was just too good that it wasn't fair to other teams?

I agree with some of that, but also, Moore’s O had several problems—predictable, limited and simplistic route trees, gadget plays at the wrong times, and abandoning the run too quickly. WRs that couldn’t get seperation and allowing Dak too much leeway to audible. Throw in constantly shifting personnel in the OL, and too many times we were left with an ineffective running game and a fourth round QB with happy feet.

 

[charron]

McCarthys offense looked bad with a hof and no weapons. I dont see dak and cd doing better without a lot of help.

Give me KM offense paired with someone who can design run plays/OL blocking.

 

[Blackrain]

I want an offense that can run the ball and get four yards of carry.

I want an offense that can drive the ball down the field slowly keep our defense off the field control the clock and give our quarterback very manageable down and distance situations that don't stress him.

I want an offense that operates within the skill set of our quarterback and does not expect him to do things he is not capable of doing.

I really don't care who calls the plays I just want those plays to maximize the skill set of who we have on the field.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Really lopsided poll results. Proving the team thinks for most of you.

About 75% pick Big Mike over KM.

I voted for Big Mike as well because I think we need to try something different. Moore had 2 shots against the 49ers the past two years and his #1 ranked offense put up 14.5 ppg against them.

That aint gonna get it done. Now you can say he had Dak at QB, but he had Dak at QB most of the past two seasons when this #1 ranking was being produced. So we have a dichotomy, with Dak at QB, Moore's offense can produce big numbers in the regular season, but not the postseason the last two years.

So do we run it back in 2023 with pretty much everything the same or do we try something different? Well, it appears 75% of this board would like to try something different. It might be better or it might be worse, but if you do the same thing over and over again why would you expect a different result?

 

[T-RO]

Write down your thoughts. Write down the date.

About 70% of the CowboysZone population said: "Get out of town Kellen."

I'll sure remember this: "The February Moore Poll". For years people will say, "Ah, yeah, that one." It stokes my fires: Go Bolts in '23. So. Excited.