Which offense would you choose in 2023?

[T-RO]

Really lopsided poll results. Proving the team thinks for most of you.

Nah, I think it's more this:

Most fans here know little of football, but think they've got all the answers after watching the game full of emotion and beer. Don't ever aspire to learn and improve themselves as students of the game. And that's ok...it's just a casual hobby for most. Easy, hopelessly simplistic answers are fine. Scapegoats welcome. Go to any forum of any NFL team: play-callers are always scapegoat #1 for not winning Super Bowls.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah, Cooper Rush is a legend playing on his own with no OC. Fat mike can't run anything but a buffet.

 

[DandyDon52]

I voted for mike , but I have no idea what his offense will be like, or if it will be better than km.
Doesnt really matter, I and others wanted to see something different.

Ideally we would get a new HC and OC, but that aint happening with jones boys running the show.

 

[T-RO]

I voted for mike , but I have no idea what his offense will be like

An honest voice.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Nah, I think it's more this:

Most fans here know little of football. Watch the game full of emotion and beer. Don't ever aspire to learn and improve themselves as students of the game. And that's ok...it's just a casual hobby for most. Easy, hopelessly simplistic answers are fine. Scapegoats welcome. Go to any forum of any NFL team: play-callers are always scapegoat #1 for not winning Super Bowls.

I think this might be an overly simplistic answer as well.

If the HC and the OC have a difference of opinion in philosophy, shouldnt the HC make a change? For example, Dallas was 4th in the league in curl/hitch routes where the WR is a stationary target. Maybe the head coach wanted less of those plays and more plays where the WR is on the move when he catches the pass, more of a west coast theme. If the OC says "I dont agree", what should the HC do?

Another example, the offense may have put up top ranked numbers but also had the QB at the top of the league in interceptions. Maybe the HC says "we need to be more conservative, we may not put up the same stats but if we can limit turnovers we may be an overall better team and advance further". Again, if the OC then says "I dont agree, I like the playbook the way it is", what should the HC do?

See, neither you nor me or anyone else on this board was privy to the conversations and discussions that were had. We dont know what was discussed, what was argued about, what was agreed upon, or how the final decisions were made. In other words, things are not always as simplistic as one would claim them to be.

 

[T-RO]

Don't care. McCarthy still got a team to the Super Bowl

Bro, four consecutive posts? Little nervous about how this is gonna go?

But I like your repetition, "McCarthy-Super Bowl". That kinda thing works in political ads.

We all know Mike was Green Bay's secret sauce.

 

[flyinghorse]

Doesn’t really matter which you prefer…
There it is on Blogging The Boys just like I said.
Cowboys offensive players are gonna learn a NEW OFFENSE……
This should be interesting
Let’s Hope They’re Real Fast Learners

 

[T-RO]

See, neither you nor me or anyone else on this board was privy to the conversations and discussions that were had. We dont know what was discussed, what was argued about, what was agreed upon, or how the final decisions were made.

I agree 100%.

And we don't know if some of Kellen Moore's play designs and calls were due to Dak's profile, pressure from other voices, or to Kellen's true football philosophy. That's one of the things that makes all this so interesting.

Is Kellen really dumb headed with those stick routes? Or is there something we didn't know about or failed to factor into our conclusions? We shall see.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Rodgers being hurt ultimately got McCarthy fired.

Rodgers played 16 games the year McCarthy got fired. They won 6 of them

 

[Zman5]

Dak bashers claiming KM's offense is great because it's been ranked high multiple years. They also claim Dak is the worst QB ever to hold a football.

Then why is it that KM's offense has been ranked high only when Dak was the starting QB?
It wasn't ranked high with Rush, Dinucci, or Dalton as the starting QB.

JG couldn't win without Romo until Dak. Maybe the offense sucks and Romo and Dak had more to do with this offense functioning.

 

[diamonddelts]

I smell Super Bowl

You might need to have your nostrils checked.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

It really shouldn't be a make or break year. It almost definitely is but I don't think it's fair.

with jerry jones nothing is fair. this is after all the owner that managed to let his ego drive off a super bowl winning head coach.

 

[jazzcat22]

The only defense for Kellen is that our offense was highly ranked. Hard to argue that, right?
Yet, how many of you were really impressed with the actual scheme?
Why could we never run a successful screen with a RB?
Why did every trick play end with negative yards?
Why did our offense disappear in most big games?
Kellen rarely ran rub routes or crossing pattern to scheme receivers open.
The scheme and play calling were extremely vanilla.

I think some or many got lost in these facts, and just seen STATS...top offense in yards and points...but could not compete with top defenses, especially in the playoffs.

 

[jazzcat22]

Really lopsided poll results. Proving the team thinks for most of you.

And may prove we are correct. 1 year from now we will know. In the meantime, it seems you been waiting to start posting what a mistake it is to fire Moore. But yet before that it was all Dak's fault.

 

[jazzcat22]

MM when 1st hired, said he was not familiar with this offense. But after talking with Moore (after Jerry "suggested" Moore stays). He said he would learn the offense and not change any terminology in order to keep the players from learning something ne. He would adapt and learn it.

Now it was also reported he studied a lot of film in his year off, supposedly on the Dallas. So he had to know some of it, and how Dak really was with it. Did he think Dak should not learn something new at that time, who knows.

Anyway, MM's 1st year, Dak gets injured, so he still has a learning curve. Year 2 he sees more and has a full year of evaluation of everything, especially Moore.
Maybe he wanted to make changes but now year 3 he has seen enough and knows enough to take over and knows what changes to make. Especially in a QB that has been throwing a lot of INT's, and in a crucial game.

It was time for a change of an offense that most defensives knew what was coming. And we seen the results, and so did MM.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

I vote Mike for the sake of change, maybe getting us a little further.

I wasn't crazy about some of Moore's playcalling, but to think he wasn't a great OC is silly.

The last 3 years we have been ranked near the top in offensive production. This year, he did it with losing both of his starting tackles for extended periods, counting on a rookie at LT, losing every other OL except Martin for games, an average to above average QB, losing said QB for 5 games, and a running back I believe he was forced to use. (although I do like Zeke)

You cannot do that unless you have a brilliant mind for offense. The kid is gonna make one heck of a head coach one day. I was not a bit surprised the Chargers scooped him up so quickly. I think he takes Herbert to a new level.

And how can anyone think he did not call the game towards Dak's strengths? That would be career suicide to ask you QB to continually do things he's not capable of. No one knows Dak's strengths and weaknesses as well as Moore. His game plan is obviously set up for Dak to succeed, anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't make sense to me.

Moore did a fantastic job while he was here and wasn't the reason we couldn't advance, but I'll leave that discussion for another day. I really don't think we could have asked for anymore out of Kellen. High IQ offensive mind who is only beginning, I am rooting for the kid to do well. As long as it isn't against us.

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[jazzcat22]

I vote Mike for the sake of change, maybe getting us a little further.

I wasn't crazy about some of Moore's playcalling, but to think he wasn't a great OC is silly.

The last 3 years we have been ranked near the top in offensive production. This year, he did it with losing both of his starting tackles for extended periods, counting on a rookie at LT, losing every other OL except Martin for games, an average to above average QB, losing said QB for 5 games, and a running back I believe he was forced to use. (although I do like Zeke)

You cannot do that unless you have a brilliant mind for offense. The kid is gonna make one heck of a head coach one day. I was not a bit surprised the Chargers scooped him up so quickly. I think he takes Herbert to a new level.

And how can anyone think he did not call the game towards Dak's strengths? That would be career suicide to ask you QB to continually do things he's not capable of. No one knows Dak's strengths and weaknesses as well as Moore. His game plan is obviously set up for Dak to succeed, anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't make sense to me.

Moore did a fantastic job while he was here and wasn't the reason we couldn't advance, but I'll leave that discussion for another day. I really don't think we could have asked for anymore out of Kellen. High IQ offensive mind who is only beginning, I am rooting for the kid to do well. As long as it isn't against us.

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I hope he does take Herbert to a new level. And dethrones KC at the top of the AFCW. I wish him luck there.
However here, a change was needed. His offense was too predictable here. Maybe because he had some limitations as to what he could really do.

Not sure Zeke was forced upon him to use. I think there was combination of things that the run game was not always as successful as fans wanted.
There were games neither RB did well, together or individually. Defenses knew what was coming at them. OL injuries and shuffled around, as well, I think they blocking schemes were figured out and not good. They have not had a good OL coach for the past 2 years or so, it seems.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

I hope he does take Herbert to a new level. And dethrones KC at the top of the AFCW. I wish him luck there.
However here, a change was needed. His offense was too predictable here. Maybe because he had some limitations as to what he could really do.

Not sure Zeke was forced upon him to use. I think there was combination of things that the run game was not always as successful as fans wanted.
There were games neither RB did well, together or individually. Defenses knew what was coming at them. OL injuries and shuffled around, as well, I think they blocking schemes were figured out and not good. They have not had a good OL coach for the past 2 years or so, it seems.

I think that's a fair assessment.

And I do think a change was needed. Really just a weird situation to me. I think Moore is going to be great, but it wasn't happening here.

I"m also excited about Mike calling plays, I think we need to get the most out of him since he is an offensive-minded head coach.

 

[Blackrain]

It's really kind of hard to predict what type of offense Mike will run in 2023 it may not be the same offense that he ran with Aaron Rodgers.
Happened to be watching some old super bowl clips with Joe Montana and seeing him pivot 180° and go through four reads then back to his original read of Jerry Rice and hit him with the pass led me to this conclusion.

WE DO NOT HAVE THAT GUY!

Granted Joe Montana could see the field like few people that ever played but I would like to see a scheme that helps our quarterback by scheming receivers open and using all the other skill players to work on getting one guy open that way DAk can concentrate on that maybe a check down and a fall else fails just run the ball for some safe yardage.


At this point he sees the field the way he sees it and it's not going to get any better we need to give him help to work around his deficiencies and accentuate his strengths

 

[Blackrain]

Whatever type of offense we run needs to be carefully designed this off-season around our quarterback.

It can't be something designed for Aaron Rodgers or Tony Romo it needs to be specifically designed for Dak Prescott.

And I will go on record as saying the more basic the better he was the best in 2016 when things were basic he didn't audible a lot he ran the play as it came to him.

All that said unfortunately a high draft pick is going to have to be spent on a running back because without a good running game Bill Walsh could be our offensive coordinator and it's not going to matter.