Which offense would you choose in 2023?

[gimmesix]

Well you might not care but I assure you it's relevant. Mike McCarthy wasn't going to any Super Bowls in Green Bay with Dak Prescott but Kellen Moore might have the last two years with Aaron Rodgers.

That's a big might. You have as much proof to support that as saying that McCarthy wouldn't go to a Super Bowl in Green Bay with Dak.

I don't know what McCarthy and Dak will be able to do with his offensive scheme here. But what I do know is that we haven't seen a championship game since 1995. I'm willing to go with change to a system that produced NFCCG appearances and a Super Bowl over sticking one that's barely produced any playoff victories. We'll find out if McCarthy's system can do it with Dak. That's assuming, of course, that McCarthy installs his system. If he's going to run some hybrid of what we have been running then we might as well have kept Kellen.

 

[gimmesix]

Rodgers played 16 games the year McCarthy got fired. They won 6 of them

He did ... on a broken leg.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...-played-2018-season-fractured-leg/3410617002/

 

[gimmesix]

Well said gimmesix. I want to see the Cowboys be able to contend with the SF teams and make it to the NFC championship game as a contender.- If we don't change something, nothing will change. Moore and his Mentor Garrett have had their turns and failed. It's McCarthy's turn.
Nothing changes if you don't try. NOTHING. If McCarthy can't make it happen, then you try something else, but again nothing will change if you don't try.
I'm going with McCarthy.

That's the thing. it could absolutely crash and burn, and then we'll be on to the next coach. But I prefer trying something rather than just going with the status quo. Could have kept the staff exactly the same and just said, "Well, we were close so we just have to do a little better next year." You know that the Joneses are not going to go hard after adding some top FA to try to improve us from a talent standpoint.

I acknowledge that Moore might go to the Chargers and show that his system just needed a QB like Herbert. But those who seem to think Kellen is better than McCarthy can't seem to acknowledge that a Super Bowl-winning coach might know a little more about offense than a guy who has only been a coordinator a few years (and learned under two coaches whose systems failed). They want to explain McCarthy's success away ... well, he had Rodgers ... well, he wasn't very good his last couple of years, etc. Maybe Kellen will prove to be a better offensive mind than McCarthy, but it's certainly no given and I prefer seeing if that's the case over just doing what we've been doing.

 

[75boyz]

I vote Mike for the sake of change, maybe getting us a little further.

I wasn't crazy about some of Moore's playcalling, but to think he wasn't a great OC is silly.

The last 3 years we have been ranked near the top in offensive production. This year, he did it with losing both of his starting tackles for extended periods, counting on a rookie at LT, losing every other OL except Martin for games, an average to above average QB, losing said QB for 5 games, and a running back I believe he was forced to use. (although I do like Zeke)

You cannot do that unless you have a brilliant mind for offense. The kid is gonna make one heck of a head coach one day. I was not a bit surprised the Chargers scooped him up so quickly. I think he takes Herbert to a new level.

And how can anyone think he did not call the game towards Dak's strengths? That would be career suicide to ask you QB to continually do things he's not capable of. No one knows Dak's strengths and weaknesses as well as Moore. His game plan is obviously set up for Dak to succeed, anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't make sense to me.

Moore did a fantastic job while he was here and wasn't the reason we couldn't advance, but I'll leave that discussion for another day. I really don't think we could have asked for anymore out of Kellen. High IQ offensive mind who is only beginning, I am rooting for the kid to do well. As long as it isn't against us.

Edit-spelling.

Great post.

 

[Asklesko]

Out with the old, in with the old

 

[Buzzbait]

That's the thing. it could absolutely crash and burn, and then we'll be on to the next coach. But I prefer trying something rather than just going with the status quo. Could have kept the staff exactly the same and just said, "Well, we were close so we just have to do a little better next year." You know that the Joneses are not going to go hard after adding some top FA to try to improve us from a talent standpoint.
I acknowledge that Moore might go to the Chargers and show that his system just needed a QB like Herbert. But those who seem to think Kellen is better than McCarthy can't seem to acknowledge that a Super Bowl-winning coach might know a little more about offense than a guy who has only been a coordinator a few years (and learned under two coaches whose systems failed). They want to explain McCarthy's success away ... well, he had Rodgers ... well, he wasn't very good his last couple of years, etc. Maybe Kellen will prove to be a better offensive mind than McCarthy, but it's certainly no given and I prefer seeing if that's the case over just doing what we've been doing.

We're definitely on the same page gimmesix. Like you said, McCarthy's system comes with no sure fire guarantee's, but the Garrett/Moore system has already failed to produce the desired results. Been there done that. Time to move on.

 

[mcmvp]

mccarthy won a sb kellen got fired

Good Lord. Yeah, he won a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers in his prime. He probably would’ve won two or three if Aaron Rodgers wasn’t such a choke artist in the playoffs.

Look at the Patriots after Brady left. I still think Belichick is a pretty damn good coach, but I’m not sure I believe he is as good as I once thought he was.

I really don’t think Kellen Moore was the problem for the Cowboys…but ‘somebody had to go’ since they didn’t get past the Divisional round once again. Plus, I think he wanted to go… I think he’s happy as can be with the Chargers. He probably considers it a promotion. He has a better quarterback to work with anyway.

 

[Chuck 54]

Sure seems like if you want your offense to be current and fresh you'd prefer Kellen Moore over Mike McCarthy.

I think McCarthy's a very good head coach but I'm concerned that we took a step back on offense with this move. It's not like this is his first year in Dallas and he has time. This pretty much has to work out of the box or he's going to be next year's scapegoat and we start over.

And you all will be crying "dinosaur" when that happens.

Current and fresh. I don’t recall you ever saying that about Moore’s Garrett offense in the past. It’s the only offense he knows. Hardly anyone like Moore’s offense until now that he’s gone. I don’t get it.

 

[Proof]

Good Lord. Yeah, he won a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers in his prime. He probably would’ve won two or three if Aaron Rodgers wasn’t such a choke artist in the playoffs.

Look at the Patriots after Brady left. I still think Belichick is a pretty damn good coach, but I’m not sure I believe he is as good as I once thought he was.

I really don’t think Kellen Moore was the problem for the Cowboys…but ‘somebody had to go’ since they didn’t get past the Divisional round once again. Plus, I think he wanted to go… I think he’s happy as can be with the Chargers. He probably considers it a promotion. He has a better quarterback to work with anyway.

yeah my post was purposely cut and dry like that as a response about kellen having the number 1 offense and mccarthy getting fired from gb

 

[WillieBeamen]

This fanbase man…


A scheme thats good in the regular season, but not the playoffs?

 

[Buzzbait]

Current and fresh. I don’t recall you ever saying that about Moore’s Garrett offense in the past. It’s the only offense he knows. Hardly anyone like Moore’s offense until now that he’s gone. I don’t get it.

Interesting point. All of a sudden Moore and his trick plays took us to the Super Bowl.......oh wait....how long has it been now?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Now that you know the direction they've taken with the offense and that it will be all Mike McCarthy, which do you prefer?

For no other reason than the head coach should decide the philosophy and the OC should follow suite, the answer has to be McCarthy. If anything, I’m just annoyed McCarthy was pressure/forced to keep an OC he didn’t agree with philosophically.

 

[T-RO]

Dak bashers claiming KM's offense is great because it's been ranked high multiple years. They also claim Dak is the worst QB ever to hold a football.

There are a lot of different views on here.

Mine is that:
Kellen isn't top 3 OC, but might be top 8 or top 5. Great coach.
Dak would rank somewhere 8-12

 

[Risen Star]

Where do I start on Kellen?

Well I wouldn't start with him having the 2nd most productive offense in the league during his 4 years as coordinator behind only the Chiefs. It would make everything you say after it irrelevant.

 

[Zman5]

There are a lot of different views on here.

Mine is that:
Kellen isn't top 3 OC, but might be top 8 or top 5. Great coach.
Dak would rank somewhere 8-12

I agree on Dak's ranking, but I don't consider KM a great coach. He may be football smart but that doesn't make you a great coach.
I believe, one of the most important things a coach has to do is to teach and be a good communicator. The constant mistakes the whole offense made past few years leads me to believe he isn't a good teacher/communicator. I also think he lacks situational awareness when it comes to calling plays. There's been many examples of this past few years. My guess is that is mainly due to lack of experience.

 

[Pass2Run]

Now that you know the direction they've taken with the offense and that it will be all Mike McCarthy, which do you prefer?

Less than a fourth of us.

Time will tell. I saw the Giants being pretty good this year, but underestimated the Eagles, because historically they've pulled a Dallas Cowboys and I didn't think it was likely to happen a few years later.

Plus, now that they've gotten there, they still have to win it.

If Kellen Moore was the problem, and Mike was the solution in this game, why didn't he try to work with Kellen to solve problems and prepare for the situations you inevitably find yourself in, if you are lucky enough to get there, and take proactive measures to address them? I worry about Mike's ability to process over short-term as well as his instincts to address issues proactively before they happen or at least as they happen.

I prefer guys like Parcells and Johnson who are on top of every single aspect of the game. Parcells coached like that with heavy dose of fundamentals, and so did Jimmah.

 

[T-RO]

The constant mistakes the whole offense made past few years leads me to believe he isn't a good teacher/communicator.

I don't see "constant mistakes" at all. At all.

Makes zero sense that we would have the points and yards total with "constant mistakes"

 

[Zman5]

I don't see "constant mistakes" at all. At all.

Makes zero sense that we would have the points and yards total with "constant mistakes"

QB and WR miscommunications causing turnovers. The boneheaded plays in the last games by Shultz. Many missed block assignments by various players on offense. Go watch us trying to run a screen. There have been plays where you see two receivers running a route almost right next to each other(INT in the endzone vs GB). That has happened few times. Tolbert lining up offside, etc...

You can get away with this type of mistakes vs average teams and rack up the stats but not in the playoff vs good teams.
Warners says it all the time while breaking down our offense "no attention to details..." KM seems to lack attention to details.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

I will taken the unknown over the known

 

[Zman5]

Cowboys offensive ranking while KM was the OC. We were ranked 1st in points and 3rd in yards before Dak got injured in 2020. We ended up 17 and 14 without Dak.
We were 23rd in points and 27th in yards this year before Dak came back.
Looks like KM's offense is only good when Dak is the starter for the majority of the season.

Rank Offense	Year	Pts	Yards

Rank Offense	2019	6	1

Rank Offense	2020	17	14

Rank Offense	2021	1	1

Rank Offense	2022	4	11