Which offensive line would you prefer - 2007 or 2014?

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Pro Bowls are just popularity contests these days - particularly since they let fans start voting. Dallas is the most popular team in America and quite often fans vote in guys that shouldn't be there. It is only my opinion, but saying there were 3 pro bowlers on that 2007 line pulls absolutely no weight with me. I watched every snap of every game they played and while that line was good... it wasn't that good. Romo bailed them out quite a few times. Leonard Davis, for example, would crush a guy one play and on the next, completely miss him.

As for the comparison between the two lines:

Smith is better than anyone on that 2007 line. He is going into his 4th season in the NFL and he just turned 24. He still has several years before he's even peaked.

I'd take Leary or Bernadeau over Kosier. Both are stronger and are simply better players. I did like Kosier and he was better than he got credit for, but he wasn't as good as either of these guys.

Frederick is currently a better center than Gurode was in 2007, and he will only continue to get better. Gurode didn't even make the line calls. Frederick is very smart. Frederick is just as much of a mauler as Gurode was but he moves way better. The sky is the limit for the beard. IMO, his smarts and toughness are the key to this very good line.

Martin is just a rookie, but he sure looks like a true blue chip guard. There really is no comparison in movement skills. Davis just couldn't move very well. Davis was strong, for sure, but even in 2007 he whiffed on a lot of blocks. A lot. Really, all Davis had going for him was size and strength. He wasn't mobile at all and he was no tactician. Martin has great technique, moves like a guy half his size, plays smart, and is still plenty strong. I will take Martin any day over Davis. Sure he's a rookie but he has already shown that he is going to be a very good player. With the really good OL that come into the league, you can tell right away that they have it. They instantly look like they belong and they just get better from there. That is Martin. Everyone from the coaches and players, to the media and fans could tell immediately that Martin was the genuine article. Frankly, I don't remember any coaching staff or group of players being as impressed by a rookie player except for maybe Emmitt Smith, Larry Allen, and ..... maybe Darren Woodson. Not saying Martin is a hall of famer... just that I only remember those guys having as little doubt about their trajectory as a rookie just coming in.

I really did like Colombo, and I loved his attitude. However, he just couldn't move around that well. He played smart and mean and that got him by, but his mobility was gone by '07. Free has been playing well and has had a really good camp. He has some flaws but he has good mobility, plays smart and has turned into a really solid RT. Colombo might be the only one at his position that I would take from the 2007 group... but frankly, I'm not sure I would. I like Free and so does the team.

All of that is without even taking into consideration that the '07 group was on its way downhill fast. The 2014 line is just scratching the surface of its ability. They are very good now but will get better each year for the next several seasons.

It is only my opinion... but to me, it isn't even close. This group is on another level from that group.
 

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i love the "its not even close" comments, Those are just funny. The 2007 Oline has something this line doesnt have yet , nor may never have because its something you cant teach, either the players have to get to together and do it or your player has it already ie Marc Colombo. Bar none Marc Cololmbo wasnt the best lineman ever, but he had attitude and he had fight and that 2007 line "imposed" its will on the opposing DLines. It just didnt block or do its job, it than started telling Dlines, "Get out of our way" and we had some good plays from that year.

Let me remind others as well that line was a "unit" they meshed well, they knew their assignments and they were very good, maybe not individually, and of course everyoe can find a better player, (just wait til they are cut by Dallas or not a Dallas player) but together they got the job done well and did it together.

Yeah they looked great in the playoffs against the Giants, especially in the 4th quarter...lol

There is no comparison.
 

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Yeah they looked great in the playoffs against the Giants, especially in the 4th quarter...lol

There is no comparison.

The Giants brought extra rushers.

5 offensive linemen can't block 6 pass rushers.
 

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2007 = Flozell Adams + Kyle Kosier + Andre Gurode + Leonard Davis + Marc Colombo

2014 = Tyron Smith + Mackenzie Bernadeau + Travis Frederick + Zack Martin + Doug Free




I think I'd still choose the 2007 line, but the 2014 line isn't far behind in quality.

Uh, 2014. Not even close.
 

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I never understood the love for Marc Colombo. Sure he had attitude, but for the most part I found his blocking sub-par. He was better than the guys he replaced because a couple of those guys shouldn't have even been in the NFL. He had just as many if not more penalties as Flozell Adamas, but that seemed to be ignored. I'm very happy with the direction the offensive line is going.
 

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The Giants brought extra rushers.

5 offensive linemen can't block 6 pass rushers.

That Giants team won the game against us, and ultimately the Superbowl, because they could generate pressure with their front four. The front four was the key to that team's success, not blitzing.
 

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I think the responses in this thread prove recency bias.

Many forget that the 2007 line had 3 Pro Bowlers and was a significant strength for much of that season.

I don't. I think it was just a very hard question to take seriously. Those players were veteran players. These are younger players. So pro bowl comparison doesn't mean anything to me. Smith is a pro bowler, Frederick and Martin will be once they make a name for themselves in the league.

There really isn't a comparison to me. That line was solid at best. It was never anywhere close to dominant. Those with a good memory will remember how we had to scheme our rushing yards through delays and draws. They couldn't get consistent push and were terrible in short yardage. Flozell and Gurode were in decline, Colombo was vastly overrated and Davis was an underachiever. Kosier was a solid player, nothing more.

The Cowboys haven't had a dominant offensive line since the mid 90's. They have a chance to be dominant this year, though I would say they still fall short of that as Doug Free is a JAG and I don't trust Leary to be capable of that high a level of play. But this group in 2014 is better than what they had in 2007.

There isn't a team in the league that has a trio of OL that I'd trade Smith, Frederick and Martin for.
 

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That Giants team won the game against us, and ultimately the Superbowl, because they could generate pressure with their front four. The front four was the key to that team's success, not blitzing.

I agree that the Giants had good pressure with their front four. But people keep bringing up the 4th quarter of the 2007 DAL-NYG playoff game. That's a different situation. The Giants started gambling by bringing additional guys to rush Romo. 5 linemen can't block 6 pass rushers.
 

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Yeah they looked great in the playoffs against the Giants, especially in the 4th quarter.

There is no comparison.

For that argument to be valid, you'd have to know how Tyron/Martin/Free/Frederick would have fared against the Giants in that 2007 playoff game, too.

Which you don't.
 

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I agree that the Giants had good pressure with their front four. But people keep bringing up the 4th quarter of the 2007 DAL-NYG playoff game. That's a different situation. The Giants started gambling by bringing additional guys to rush Romo. 5 linemen can't block 6 pass rushers.

Actually they did it with their front four stunting.
 

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For that argument to be valid, you'd have to know how Tyron/Martin/Free/Frederick would have fared against the Giants in that 2007 playoff game, too.

Which you don't.

It's Tyron, Leary, Frederick, Martin Free. If you don't know, then you don't know.
 

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For that argument to be valid, you'd have to know how Tyron/Martin/Free/Frederick would have fared against the Giants in that 2007 playoff game, too.

Which you don't.

If Doug Free's replacement is great, this line has a chance to be in the same sentence as the 92-95 group. That will be the comparison. I still think the comparison is closer now to early 90's then '07. The only thing that stops them from truly comparing to 94-95 is Doug Free and lack of playing time together. That can change in the next few years. They early 90's group did not have (3) first rd picks, they didn't have any. They had Erik Williams though and we need that attitude on the right side at some point.

You may be calling them the Great Wall of Dallas II in a few years. We will see.
 

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2007 = Flozell Adams + Kyle Kosier + Andre Gurode + Leonard Davis + Marc Colombo

2014 = Tyron Smith + Mackenzie Bernadeau + Travis Frederick + Zack Martin + Doug Free




I think I'd still choose the 2007 line, but the 2014 line isn't far behind in quality.

Yeah, I'll go with 2014 for the potential of what it really could be!
 

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not sure if this is just because the current team is more prevalent because they are current, but with Fred and Martin on the line, there seems to be a little attitude to go along with skill and youth...I am hopeful that Martin steps right in (of course), but he will have rookie issues....I think our current line will be ridiculous in 2015 once martin has a full season under his belt

that all being said, I take 2014 over 2007 without blinking
 

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How about we actually see our current Oline in a real game first. Just a thought.
 
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