Which player gets us more yards

CowboyRoy said:
You cant analyze a position with your top guy out. Dez is not out anymore. With Dez healthy Beasley and Williams are fine as 3rd and 4th options. Witten is still the #2 guy. Would I love to have a blazing great #2 WR? Sure, but that would be a luxury. If anything, this team needs a young stud back and a young stud QB.
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Why not? Because you say so?

Witten's stats are on a steady decline and he is 35 this year. You don't wait until it blows up to do something about the bomb.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Why not? Because you say so?

Witten's stats are on a steady decline and he is 35 this year. You don't wait until it blows up to do something about the bomb.
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Well.............maybe you do. But if the people in charge ever did that, we would have a major need at most positions every single year. That would be paranoid analysis.

Witten is declining and some point in 2 or 3 years from now you may have to go out and get a good TE or another WR. But until then, there are much bigger needs.

And on offense those needs are rather obvious. RB and QB. Then you have nearly the entire defense to account for on upgardes.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Well.............maybe you do. But if the people in charge ever did that, we would have a major need at most positions every single year. That would be paranoid analysis.

Witten is declining and some point in 2 or 3 years from now you may have to go out and get a good TE or another WR. But until then, there are much bigger needs.

And on offense those needs are rather obvious. RB and QB. Then you have nearly the entire defense to account for on upgardes.
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WR: Dez/Beasley/TWill/Butler/Street
RB: DMC/Morris/Dunbar.
QB: Romo/Moore

Witten could fall off a cliff this year. He's already declining. TWill is not a starting quality NFL WR. Beasley cannot play outside and you start 2 WR.

QB is the obvious top need.

I think Will Fuller or similar talent opens up the offense more and gives you another starting target this year and in the future. I'd like to see our runners not face a heavy box as we have for the past year and a half. Pushing TWill to the bench gives you tremendous depth. It's a good pick.

I like Elliott but only way we pick him is after a trade down. I don't think he improves the offense that much more than a Dixon who can be obtained in the third round. DMC was getting consistent 100 yard games and 4.5+ YPC when he was starting. I don't think Zeke even at his ceiling would do much better than that. More cheap TDs is about it and DMC gives those too already.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
WR: Dez/Beasley/TWill/Butler/Street
RB: DMC/Morris/Dunbar.
QB: Romo/Moore

Witten could fall off a cliff this year. He's already declining. TWill is not a starting quality NFL WR. Beasley cannot play outside and you start 2 WR.

QB is the obvious top need.

I think Will Fuller or similar talent opens up the offense more and gives you another starting target this year and in the future. I'd like to see our runners not face a heavy box as we have for the past year and a half. Pushing TWill to the bench gives you tremendous depth. It's a good pick.

I like Elliott but only way we pick him is after a trade down. I don't think he improves the offense that much more than a Dixon who can be obtained in the third round. DMC was getting consistent 100 yard games and 4.5+ YPC when he was starting. I don't think Zeke even at his ceiling would do much better than that. More cheap TDs is about it and DMC gives those too already.
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I dont see WR as a pressing need by any stretch. Sorry dont see it. Other than OL I see it as a position of strength. Would it be nice to have another good WR? Sure it would. Are you talking about taking a WR with picks 3-7? Yah, sure whatever. But if your talking that we need to use a top pick on a WR I cant agree on that one.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
WR: Dez/Beasley/TWill/Butler/Street
RB: DMC/Morris/Dunbar.
QB: Romo/Moore

Witten could fall off a cliff this year. He's already declining. TWill is not a starting quality NFL WR. Beasley cannot play outside and you start 2 WR.

QB is the obvious top need.

I think Will Fuller or similar talent opens up the offense more and gives you another starting target this year and in the future. I'd like to see our runners not face a heavy box as we have for the past year and a half. Pushing TWill to the bench gives you tremendous depth. It's a good pick.

I like Elliott but only way we pick him is after a trade down. I don't think he improves the offense that much more than a Dixon who can be obtained in the third round. DMC was getting consistent 100 yard games and 4.5+ YPC when he was starting. I don't think Zeke even at his ceiling would do much better than that. More cheap TDs is about it and DMC gives those too already.
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And Im not going to even bother getting into your claim that Zeke wouldnt be better than McChicken. That is the most laughable thing you have said yet. Its not even worth discussing.
 
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fortdick said:
Which player available at #4 will get us more yards on game day, Zeke, Wentz, Goff or Tunsil? Without a doubt, Tunsil! Take him if he is there!
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Honestly, yards don't mean as much as big plays. Tunsill can give you big plays though with protection.
 
Why is everyone so quick to dismiss the importance of pass protection from the RB position?
 
CowboyRoy said:
And Im not going to even bother getting into your claim that Zeke wouldnt be better than McChicken. That is the most laughable thing you have said yet. Its not even worth discussing.
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I never said that. You should work on your reading skills.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
I never said that. You should work on your reading skills.
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DMC was getting consistent 100 yard games and 4.5+ YPC when he was starting. I don't think Zeke even at his ceiling would do much better than that

so what am I missing on the comprehension part? Are you not saying here that they are virtually equal in what they would produce?
 
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CowboyRoy said:
DMC was getting consistent 100 yard games and 4.5+ YPC when he was starting. I don't think Zeke even at his ceiling would do much better than that
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Yes and . . . . That would be a baseline of 1600 yard seasons. Now use that brain and think what would fall into the range of 'not much better.'

I'll help: the whole range is > 1600.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Yes and . . . . That would be a baseline of 1600 yard seasons. Now use that brain and think what would fall into the range of 'not much better.'

I'll help: the whole range is > 1600.
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Give me a break. McFadden didnt play 16 games now did he? And at 32 or whatever he is and 9 years in the league considering his history he probably wouldnt have made it 16 games. And how many years is McFadden even going to be around? Zeke would be here for 5-8 years more than likely. And if McChicken can average what he did behind our line, then you would have to shutter at what Zeke could do. You have to be joking to think that the production would be similar. And lets not forget that until we changed the entire blocking scheme to man blocking to accomodate McChicken, he wasnt running anywhere. And wow, all of those 2 TD's he had during the year would be so hard to surpass. Please!!!! SHEEESH!!!
 
CowboyRoy said:
Give me a break. McFadden didnt play 16 games now did he? And at 32 or whatever he is and 9 years in the league considering his history he probably wouldnt have made it 16 games. And how many years is McFadden even going to be around? Zeke would be here for 5-8 years more than likely. And if McChicken can average what he did behind our line, then you would have to shutter at what Zeke could do. You have to be joking to think that the production would be similar. And lets not forget that until we changed the entire blocking scheme to man blocking to accomodate McChicken, he wasnt running anywhere. And wow, all of those 2 TD's he had during the year would be so hard to surpass. Please!!!! SHEEESH!!!
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All that and you cannot argue the point. DMC was on pace for 1600 yards. No back is going to do all that much better particularly their rookie year.

I get that you have Zeke breaking the rushing record and all but that is not surprising.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
All that and you cannot argue the point. DMC was on pace for 1600 yards. No back is going to do all that much better particularly their rookie year.

I get that you have Zeke breaking the rushing record and all but that is not surprising.
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ON pace? What is that supposed to mean? You mean it would have happened, but it didnt? He was healthy the entire year. Why didnt he win the job in training camp? All he had to do was beat out underwear boy and he couldnt.

Odds are, he never would have made it 16 games. Now I will admit his production in yards was better than I thought. But really what did that prove? It proved what me and many others pointed out before the season. That you put any decent back behind this line and give them the carries and they will produce. But you give a guy like Zeke 350 touches behind this line and he destroys teams. McChicken touched the ball 280 times last year and had 3 TD's? Do you know how bad that is? And he has some big runs, nice average and average per catch yards but the guy couldnt score. He was NOT a difference maker. And when we needed him to score on the goal line he faltered. McChicken is old news and a stop gap. Zeke is a total and complete monster stud.

There is no comparison. To do so is laughable.
 
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