Which player gets us more yards

[fortdick]

It's not about gaining yards it's about scoring points. The OL we have was suppose to get us yards. Tunsil wouldn't make any sense when we already have arguably the best OL in the league. We need to be strengthening a weakness at #4 not continuing to add to an area of strength.

Are you saying that our line is so good we wouldn't benefit from stronger blocking on both the run and the pass? I see a vast difference in yards AND POINTS that could be gained with Tunsil.

But most importantly, what is better protection for Romo worth? Take a project QB like Lynch, cook, et al, but protect your best player!

 

[fortdick]

If it's not a QB I want defense since there is no blue chip WR this year. Our problems on offense were QB and WR not RB.

Bosa, Ramsey, or one of the QBs. I disagree with the premise of the OP. I don't bias options like that.

We would be doomed if we had another prima donna receiver. Dez couldn't live with anyone competing with him for that spot. He would go off like Hardy on a stoned tramp!

 

[CF74]

How many yards would Ramsey get us? Or is this your cut and paste response?

LMAO!! I think I clicked on the wrong thread. Not sure what happened...

 

[KJJ]

Are you saying that our line is so good we wouldn't benefit from stronger blocking on both the run and the pass? I see a vast difference in yards AND POINTS that could be gained with Tunsil.

But most importantly, what is better protection for Romo worth? Take a project QB like Lynch, cook, et al, but protect your best player!

What I'm saying is having the top rated OL in the league that had 3 pro bowlers on it last season is good enough. The OL is only going to get better once Collins gains more experience. The OL is the absolute LAST place I would use the 4th overall pick with all the holes the team has on defense. I don't care how strong you build the OL there's not going to be a vast difference in yards and points until we get a more talented back running behind it because the back matters! According to the GMs on this board the average backs we had were suppose to combine for the yards and points Murray produced in 2014 because of our OL and that didn't come close to happening. What the Cowboys need to do is start building the DL like they did the OL.

We desperately need a pass rusher and a big, disruptive DT who can create havoc and collapse the pocket. We also sorely need a lockdown corner something we haven't had in years. Sean Lee is the best player on the defense and with him getting older and suffering two concussions last season he may end up retiring in the next year or two if he suffers another concussion. We have very little talent defensively with virtually no playmakers. We found out in 2014 that regardless how good we are offensively we're never going to get past the second round of the playoffs until we fix the defense. Romo and Murray had MVP caliber seasons in 2014 and Dez had an outstanding season but it was the defense that caught up with us in the playoffs.

Denver and Manning we're putting up record yards and a ton of points a couple of years ago but got blown out in the SB. Despite a shabby offensive year this past season and Manning having the worst season of his career the Broncos won the SB because of their defense. The Cowboys have got to add an impact defensive player or the defense is going to continue to struggle and cost us games. As for Tunsil despite him being the highest rated player that doesn't guarantee he'll pan out. A few years ago Eric Fisher was the highest rated player by most with KC taking him #1 overall and he's been a disappointment. The Cowboys have an opportunity to add an impact defensive player and they have to take advantage of it.

 

[fortdick]

I can see what you are saying KJJ, but Tunsil would be undoubtedly the best player available. Hell, he might be the best player in the draft. While I believe you balance BPA with team needs, I think you grab a talent like that and run. Our line is great, but with Tunsil, it would possibly be legendary. You can get by with a middle of the road defense if your offense can't be stopped and adding that kind of talent to what we have is what we would get.

While I am not as down on Free as most, I believe we might have a chance to take a player that would create something phenomenal. You can't pass on such a talent, especially when it could create something that maybe has not yet existed, a line that is completely dominant.

Everybody wants All Pro defensive linemen at every position. It is there waking dream. We have a chance to have 5 All Pro offensive linemen. You have to jump at that. McFadden and Morris could put up 2500 yards rushing, while Romo throws for 4500 yards.

Take Tunsil!

 

[KJJ]

I can see what you are saying KJJ, but Tunsil would be undoubtedly the best player available. Hell, he might be the best player in the draft. While I believe you balance BPA with team needs, I think you grab a talent like that and run. Our line is great, but with Tunsil, it would possibly be legendary. You can get by with a middle of the road defense if your offense can't be stopped and adding that kind of talent to what we have is what we would get.

While I am not as down on Free as most, I believe we might have a chance to take a player that would create something phenomenal. You can't pass on such a talent, especially when it could create something that maybe has not yet existed, a line that is completely dominant.

Everybody wants All Pro defensive linemen at every position. It is there waking dream. We have a chance to have 5 All Pro offensive linemen. You have to jump at that. McFadden and Morris could put up 2500 yards rushing, while Romo throws for 4500 yards.

Take Tunsil!

Regardless if Tunsil is the best player available we're not taking him and I'll bet the farm on that. As strong as our OL is there's no way Jerry is going to add another player to the OL with the 4th overall pick with all the holes we have and you can mark it down. We've had a middle of the road defense and can't get by with it. Get real!

 

[Hardline]

I'd take a tradedown to 7, pick up an extra 2nd and select Elliott right in Philly's face.

The eagles are probably looking to draft an OT to replace a declining Jason Peters.

 

[JoeKing]

Which player available at #4 will get us more yards on game day, Zeke, Wentz, Goff or Tunsil? Without a doubt, Tunsil! Take him if he is there!

Rams - Goff
Browns - Wentz
Chargers - Tunsil
Cowboys - Zeke... because he'll be there.

It's this or trade down, take your pick.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Things aren't black and white for me as for others here it seems. I'm not the one advocating it but for you to say you can't even see the pros and only the cons is not my problem. We need a swing tackle and my guess is the guy can come in and play reasonably well if either tackle goes down. We certainly don't have a player in waiting of his caliber.

I understand what you're saying and as I ALREADY SAID I might not take him at four IF he were available. But I certainly can see both sides of the equation.

Since you think I don't make sense how about giving me the last word and we'll agree to disagree even if I'm not a huge advocate of taking him anyway.

Ok so you are not a huge advocate? Then this argument is pointless. Sure I could see the advantage of a pro bowl RT. I still wouldnt draft him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If it's not a QB I want defense since there is no blue chip WR this year. Our problems on offense were QB and WR not RB.

Bosa, Ramsey, or one of the QBs. I disagree with the premise of the OP. I don't bias options like that.

There was no problem at WR other than the fact that Dez was hurt. WR is as strength of this team. Especially when you consider our #2 receiver is a TE.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Rams - Goff
Browns - Wentz
Chargers - Tunsil
Cowboys - Zeke... because he'll be there.

It's this or trade down, take your pick.

They will be taking either Ramsey or Bosa if the options you say are presented. Not necessarily what I would do, but they will.

 

[JoeKing]

They will be taking either Ramsey or Bosa if the options you say are presented. Not necessarily what I would do, but they will.

I don't disagree with your comment. Zeke is the "sexy" pick that Jerry may choose to sell tickets. If Will McClay has his way, I suspect he'll confer with Marinelli and they'll select Bosa.

The Cowboys need an heir apparent to Romo. The only two in the draft that I think the Cowboys are interested in are Goff and Wentz but they'll be gone before the Cowboys are on the clock. The next best selection will be a pass rusher, so it's not hard to discern Bosa as the obvious pick for the Cowboys given the two preferred QB's are not options.

 

[BoysWin]

Which player available at #4 will get us more yards on game day, Zeke, Wentz, Goff or Tunsil? Without a doubt, Tunsil! Take him if he is there!

If JJ is banking 4-5/years with Romo. Romo will be ages 36-41 with less mobility. The best plan for DALLAS is The Greatest Wall and that includes Tunsil. Add Paul Perkins in R4 and a speed WR to challenge TW, then is a dominant Offense that can eat the clock for 35-40 minutes a game and thatbkeeps the Defense off the field.

 

[fortdick]

Regardless if Tunsil is the best player available we're not taking him and I'll bet the farm on that. As strong as our OL is there's no way Jerry is going to add another player to the OL with the 4th overall pick with all the holes we have and you can mark it down. We've had a middle of the road defense and can't get by with it. Get real!

Don't take it personal. I'm sure many folks would agree with either one of us, so the "Get real!" Comment is just a micro aggression.

 

[KJJ]

Don't take it personal. I'm sure many folks would agree with either one of us, so the "Get real!" Comment is just a micro aggression.

I don't take this personal. lol I haven't heard anyone who gets paid to talk football suggest the Cowboys should take Tunsil. There could be a few on this board other than you who want to take him but I haven't seen them. If you think we're going to win games by adding another guy who can block on the OL and get by with this defense you're kidding yourself.

 

[KJJ]

Think about it most have the Cowboys OL ranked #1 in the entire league but they still went 4-12. If you want to help Romo and produce yards and points adding another fat guy who can block to an OL that's already the best in the league with the 4th overall pick isn't the answer. Drafting Elliott and putting him behind our OL would help Romo if he can become an elite back. Fixing the defense by adding an impact player who can help force turnovers and get offenses off the field on 3rd down would help Romo and add more yards and points to our offense.

If you can't get offenses off the field especially in critical situations and force turnovers you're not going to win games consistently regardless how good your offense is. A couple of years ago Tunsil would have made sense at #4 but right now he makes no sense when the OL is the strongest of any team in the league. We need to start building the DL which is one of the weakest area's of any team by adding a pass rusher, a disruptive DT who can collapse the pocket and we need a lockdown corner. Nothing will help the Cowboys more than adding an impact player on the defense.

 

[KJJ]

I'm sure many folks would agree with either one of us, so the "Get real!" Comment is just a micro aggression.

Been going through posts and yeah you're not the only one here that wants Tunsil but it's not happening just can't imagine Jerry investing more money in the OL with the shoddy defense he has and with 3 of the top 5 players in this draft being on defense.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There was no problem at WR other than the fact that Dez was hurt. WR is as strength of this team. Especially when you consider our #2 receiver is a TE.

TWill is marginal and disappeared when Dez went down. Witten is long in the tooth. There is no one else and we still start 2 WR.

 

[CowboyRoy]

TWill is marginal and disappeared when Dez went down. Witten is long in the tooth. There is no one else and we still start 2 WR.

You cant analyze a position with your top guy out. Dez is not out anymore. With Dez healthy Beasley and Williams are fine as 3rd and 4th options. Witten is still the #2 guy. Would I love to have a blazing great #2 WR? Sure, but that would be a luxury. If anything, this team needs a young stud back and a young stud QB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

TWill is marginal and disappeared when Dez went down. Witten is long in the tooth. There is no one else and we still start 2 WR.

Williams had Weeden and Cassell throwing to him when Dez was down. Its not like it was Romo in there.