Which position can we afford to wait to the 5th to address?

[Cowboyny]

Yea, I'm hearing/reading that also.

Call me crazy, he would be a trade back player I would consider if we move to the 20's.

 

[cowboyec]

my guess is they wait to address rb and dt.
if they address them at all...considering stephens "blinking lights".

 

[Carson]

my guess is they wait to address rb and dt.
if they address them at all...considering stephens "blinking lights".

IMO

Round 1 - WR
Round 2 - LB/CB
Round 3 - DT
Round 5 - RB

 

[rambo2]

Watching the Voch/Broaddus podcast yesterday, they had an interesting discussion and talking about which position they could wait on to the 5th to address. They have these 4 positions, in no particular order: WR, NT, CB, RB.

Wide Receiver-finding an impact receiver after day 1 could be difficult. There are a few interesting prospects, but will they be an upgrade of what we already have in Tolbert/Mingo?

NT-do you want to see another Saints type of performance again, where the QB barely had to throw the football cause they ran the football right down the field? Have done little to nothing to help their run defense this offseason, if not gotten worse.

CB-could they even field a starting group right now, especially considering Diggs won't be ready to start the season? Who is the nickel, who starts opposite Bland, what happens if Bland goes down again?

RB-this whole offseason has been about fixing their poor run game from a schematic point of view. They are going to need a quality back to be successful. With Dowdle gone, do we have faith in our current group at the position?

I would add Linebacker to the list, especially with Eberflus as our DC now. A former LB coach who always targets high end linebackers for his system.

All this screams, trade down, trade down. I think they can get their RB in the 4th, but not in the 5th. Same could be said about CB/NT, but not WR. Find a way to get that 4th back and they could have a chance.

They should get their running back as early as possible.

 

[BlindFaith]

You lost me.........OP question was what position can we afford to wait and address in the 5th.
* First, we are not fixing much with a 5th rounder at any position.
* More times than not top run defending teams gets strong/high-level play from the LBer positions.

https://nflpickwatch.com/nfl/stats/players/defensive/assisted-tackles

Here is an interesting site that breaks down individual stats by players and positions. It's interesting to see when we look at leaders of solo tacklers, assist tacklers and total tacklers, only a few DTs rank inside top 100. It's why I have said many times, fixing the run defense is just as much systemic as talent, maybe more so.

As for CB, notice the post stated we have starters for 2025, and we do. Now, if we want to address the replacement for starters, that's another topic. But addressing OP question, we are't desperate for 2025 CB other than replacing Lewis at the slot. That, as a rule, is generally a mid-late round player.

We dont have starters at CB. We have Bland and thats it. Diggs wont be back until mid season and Id look to dump that poor contract as well.

Nickel is basically a starter and we lost Lewis.

So we have Bland, Elam who couldnt even play for banged up Buffalo and Cason/Bultler? And zero depth. Disaster.

We also have one of the worst safety tandoms in the league. Replacing Wilson should be a priority. With replacing Hooker not to far behind.

At DT we have Odi and a potential bust in Mazi. We picked up an under sized journeyman whos upside is to hope to be as good as Gholston. And who else? No one. Rodgers? Disaster.

We threw a couple bodies at LB. Doubtful Overshown is ready for the start. Average at best and thats counting on a healthy O.

How can anyone not see Defense as the most important place to significantly upgrade? That and RB.

WR2 - You dont draft a wr in rd 1 to be a 2. And we dont need a 1. CDs nearly the highest paid WR. Dak the highest PLAYER. Dak should elevate every WR or its a waste of money. Which of course it is.

OL - Sure. Lets throw another first round pick there.

Limiting Dak to a bus driver, running the ball and building a kick arse defense is our only chance until we can dump Dak.

Giving more toys to Dak is like giving the keys of a Ferrari to a 4th grader - a complete waste.

But hey, if you think adding a first round WR and a few more high round ol will let us compete, cool. They better put up 35 a game.

 

[cnuball21]

It's a big risk and totally missing out on another loaded RB class. I think the sweet spot for the position is going to be in that 3rd-4th rd range. Getting an extra 3rd or 4th can easily fill that need. We hope players like Brooks, Neal, Gordon fall to the 5th, but there is no guaranteed where then we get another Duece who is a healthy scratch every week.

With all this being said, we cannot leave this draft without an impact CB, DT and WR. Losing that 4th really stings and they have no choice but to try to recoop the pick somewhere within those top 3 selections.

Same can be said for every position we need…so I’m going to wait on the lowest value position.

The depth of the class will help.

 

[NDGAEDE]

DT. Lots of them this year and we don't need a pass rusher

 

[RS12]

We dont have starters at CB. We have Bland and thats it. Diggs wont be back until mid season and Id look to dump that poor contract as well.

Nickel is basically a starter and we lost Lewis.

So we have Bland, Elam who couldnt even play for banged up Buffalo and Cason/Bultler? And zero depth. Disaster.

We also have one of the worst safety tandoms in the league. Replacing Wilson should be a priority. With replacing Hooker not to far behind.

At DT we have Odi and a potential bust in Mazi. We picked up an under sized journeyman whos upside is to hope to be as good as Gholston. And who else? No one. Rodgers? Disaster.

We threw a couple bodies at LB. Doubtful Overshown is ready for the start. Average at best and thats counting on a healthy O.

How can anyone not see Defense as the most important place to significantly upgrade? That and RB.

WR2 - You dont draft a wr in rd 1 to be a 2. And we dont need a 1. CDs nearly the highest paid WR. Dak the highest PLAYER. Dak should elevate every WR or its a waste of money. Which of course it is.

OL - Sure. Lets throw another first round pick there.

Limiting Dak to a bus driver, running the ball and building a kick arse defense is our only chance until we can dump Dak.

Giving more toys to Dak is like giving the keys of a Ferrari to a 4th grader - a complete waste.

But hey, if you think adding a first round WR and a few more high round ol will let us compete, cool. They better put up 35 a game.

Absolutely spot on. And thanks for saving me the key strokes. This deserves 100 likes.

 

[Cowboyny]

Same can be said for every position we need…so I’m going to wait on the lowest value position.

The depth of the class will help.

As another poster said, probably the only position where you could potentially find a starter is a RB in that rd. I would also consider trading up if there was a back left they really liked.

 

[Cowboyny]

They should get their running back as early as possible.

Could be in play in every rd.

 

[Cowboyny]

We dont have starters at CB. We have Bland and thats it. Diggs wont be back until mid season and Id look to dump that poor contract as well.

Nickel is basically a starter and we lost Lewis.

So we have Bland, Elam who couldnt even play for banged up Buffalo and Cason/Bultler? And zero depth. Disaster.

We also have one of the worst safety tandoms in the league. Replacing Wilson should be a priority. With replacing Hooker not to far behind.

At DT we have Odi and a potential bust in Mazi. We picked up an under sized journeyman whos upside is to hope to be as good as Gholston. And who else? No one. Rodgers? Disaster.

We threw a couple bodies at LB. Doubtful Overshown is ready for the start. Average at best and thats counting on a healthy O.

How can anyone not see Defense as the most important place to significantly upgrade? That and RB.

WR2 - You dont draft a wr in rd 1 to be a 2. And we dont need a 1. CDs nearly the highest paid WR. Dak the highest PLAYER. Dak should elevate every WR or its a waste of money. Which of course it is.

OL - Sure. Lets throw another first round pick there.

Limiting Dak to a bus driver, running the ball and building a kick arse defense is our only chance until we can dump Dak.

Giving more toys to Dak is like giving the keys of a Ferrari to a 4th grader - a complete waste.

But hey, if you think adding a first round WR and a few more high round ol will let us compete, cool. They better put up 35 a game.

Totally agree with everything said, which positions would you target in the 1st three rds?

 

[BlindFaith]

Totally agree with everything said, which positions would you target in the 1st three rds?

1. CB Barron
2. DT Harmon if he slides or Tyliek Williams
3. LB Danny Stutsman
5. RB Bhayshal Tuten
5. S Billy Bowman Jr
6. DT Darius Alexander
6. DE Barryn Sorrell
7. WR Donte Thorton Jr
7. OG Luke Kandra
7. RB Kyle Monangai

 

[RS12]

1. CB Barron
2. DT Harmon if he slides or Tyliek Williams
3. LB Danny Stutsman
5. RB Bhayshal Tuten
5. S Billy Bowman Jr
6. DT Darius Alexander
6. DE Barryn Sorrell
7. WR Donte Thorton Jr
7. OG Luke Kandra
7. RB Kyle Monangai

Alexander was a 30 visit. Would like him there for sure.

 

[Cowboyny]

1. CB Barron
2. DT Harmon if he slides or Tyliek Williams
3. LB Danny Stutsman
5. RB Bhayshal Tuten
5. S Billy Bowman Jr
6. DT Darius Alexander
6. DE Barryn Sorrell
7. WR Donte Thorton Jr
7. OG Luke Kandra
7. RB Kyle Monangai

Still some of your players go far higher then what you are projecting, Alexander might be a top 40 pick. I would run to the podium if either Williams/Harmon are there ay 44.

 

[rags747]

Kicker is clearly the only correct answer.

 

[BlindFaith]

Alexander was a 30 visit. Would like him there for sure.

DT seems like a pretty deep pos. May push some folks down. 6th may be a little low for him, but you never know.

 

[Creeper]

Do you think Mingo is a decent player?

I haven't seen him play decently yet. But the point is, why give up a 4th round pick for him when you took a 5th for Amari Cooper? Seems to me the value for Mingo was no more than a 5th or 6th.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Watching the Voch/Broaddus podcast yesterday, they had an interesting discussion and talking about which position they could wait on to the 5th to address. They have these 4 positions, in no particular order: WR, NT, CB, RB.

Wide Receiver-finding an impact receiver after day 1 could be difficult. There are a few interesting prospects, but will they be an upgrade of what we already have in Tolbert/Mingo?

NT-do you want to see another Saints type of performance again, where the QB barely had to throw the football cause they ran the football right down the field? Have done little to nothing to help their run defense this offseason, if not gotten worse.

CB-could they even field a starting group right now, especially considering Diggs won't be ready to start the season? Who is the nickel, who starts opposite Bland, what happens if Bland goes down again?

RB-this whole offseason has been about fixing their poor run game from a schematic point of view. They are going to need a quality back to be successful. With Dowdle gone, do we have faith in our current group at the position?

I would add Linebacker to the list, especially with Eberflus as our DC now. A former LB coach who always targets high end linebackers for his system.

All this screams, trade down, trade down. I think they can get their RB in the 4th, but not in the 5th. Same could be said about CB/NT, but not WR. Find a way to get that 4th back and they could have a chance.

QB. Center. FB.

 

[Mr_437]

Hope they back in either the 1st or 2nd to get an extra top 100 pick. Cowboys probably take the NT in the 5th looking for a backup to Mazi. I'd rather get a guy that can make Mazi a backup.

I'd push the WR off till the 5th and see if Pat Bryant, Nick Nash, D'onte Thompson, Isaac TeSlaa, or Anthony Armstrong is available. There's also a few NFL veteran FAs remaining.

I would also, consider CB as well due to some veteran NFL FAs available to plug these holes for a year.

 

[cnuball21]

As another poster said, probably the only position where you could potentially find a starter is a RB in that rd. I would also consider trading up if there was a back left they really liked.

100% - my ideal scenario would be attacking the money positions needs eary then trading up into the 4th to get our guy at RB.

I imagine someone really good will still be available.