Which position can we afford to wait to the 5th to address?

[gtb1943]

1st: DT
2nd: DT
3rd: RB

if they want to be serious

 

[NDGAEDE]

100% - my ideal scenario would be attacking the money positions needs eary then trading up into the 4th to get our guy at RB.

I imagine someone really good will still be available.

My issue with this approach is that is what they've tried in the past, only to completely miss out on all the quality RBs and instead draft pet projects rounds 4-7. I think it's been what, two years in a row that we've played the value game with RBs and came away empty handed?

 

[75boyz]

We dont have starters at CB. We have Bland and thats it. Diggs wont be back until mid season and Id look to dump that poor contract as well.

Nickel is basically a starter and we lost Lewis.

So we have Bland, Elam who couldnt even play for banged up Buffalo and Cason/Bultler? And zero depth. Disaster.

We also have one of the worst safety tandoms in the league. Replacing Wilson should be a priority. With replacing Hooker not to far behind.

At DT we have Odi and a potential bust in Mazi. We picked up an under sized journeyman whos upside is to hope to be as good as Gholston. And who else? No one. Rodgers? Disaster.

We threw a couple bodies at LB. Doubtful Overshown is ready for the start. Average at best and thats counting on a healthy O.

How can anyone not see Defense as the most important place to significantly upgrade? That and RB.

WR2 - You dont draft a wr in rd 1 to be a 2. And we dont need a 1. CDs nearly the highest paid WR. Dak the highest PLAYER. Dak should elevate every WR or its a waste of money. Which of course it is.

OL - Sure. Lets throw another first round pick there.

Limiting Dak to a bus driver, running the ball and building a kick arse defense is our only chance until we can dump Dak.

Giving more toys to Dak is like giving the keys of a Ferrari to a 4th grader - a complete waste.

But hey, if you think adding a first round WR and a few more high round ol will let us compete, cool. They better put up 35 a game.

Great post man. I mean like this should be required reading.

However Coog sums up outstanding posts...
This one should be the draft day guidebook.

 

[calicowboy54]

Watching the Voch/Broaddus podcast yesterday, they had an interesting discussion and talking about which position they could wait on to the 5th to address. They have these 4 positions, in no particular order: WR, NT, CB, RB.

Wide Receiver-finding an impact receiver after day 1 could be difficult. There are a few interesting prospects, but will they be an upgrade of what we already have in Tolbert/Mingo?

NT-do you want to see another Saints type of performance again, where the QB barely had to throw the football cause they ran the football right down the field? Have done little to nothing to help their run defense this offseason, if not gotten worse.

CB-could they even field a starting group right now, especially considering Diggs won't be ready to start the season? Who is the nickel, who starts opposite Bland, what happens if Bland goes down again?

RB-this whole offseason has been about fixing their poor run game from a schematic point of view. They are going to need a quality back to be successful. With Dowdle gone, do we have faith in our current group at the position?

I would add Linebacker to the list, especially with Eberflus as our DC now. A former LB coach who always targets high end linebackers for his system.

All this screams, trade down, trade down. I think they can get their RB in the 4th, but not in the 5th. Same could be said about CB/NT, but not WR. Find a way to get that 4th back and they could have a chance.

i think your going to see a run on RB and have to get one earlier. it happened in other drafts where their was a surplus of DL and all the sudden everyone wanted one and we missed out.

 

[BlindFaith]

i think your going to see a run on RB and have to get one earlier. it happened in other drafts where their was a surplus of DL and all the sudden everyone wanted one and we missed out.

Yep. Not having that 4th hurts. Im crossing my fingers we can get a small trade down and pick one back up.

 

[cnuball21]

My issue with this approach is that is what they've tried in the past, only to completely miss out on all the quality RBs and instead draft pet projects rounds 4-7. I think it's been what, two years in a row that we've played the value game with RBs and came away empty handed?

We took a LBr in the 3rd over RB last year which panned out and we didn’t have a 4th…

I agree to an extent but with development from the OL we can make it work.

 

[75boyz]

1st: DT
2nd: DT
3rd: RB

if they want to be serious

I love you man.

 

[Chasing6]

None

Kicker and Punt Returner.

 

[NDGAEDE]

We took a LBr in the 3rd over RB last year which panned out and we didn’t have a 4th…

I agree to an extent but with development from the OL we can make it work.

I get it, but I don't trust them to make it work. Sooner or later, they have to make a meaningful investment in a position they want to make important again.

 

[gimmesix]

Watching the Voch/Broaddus podcast yesterday, they had an interesting discussion and talking about which position they could wait on to the 5th to address. They have these 4 positions, in no particular order: WR, NT, CB, RB.

Wide Receiver-finding an impact receiver after day 1 could be difficult. There are a few interesting prospects, but will they be an upgrade of what we already have in Tolbert/Mingo?

NT-do you want to see another Saints type of performance again, where the QB barely had to throw the football cause they ran the football right down the field? Have done little to nothing to help their run defense this offseason, if not gotten worse.

CB-could they even field a starting group right now, especially considering Diggs won't be ready to start the season? Who is the nickel, who starts opposite Bland, what happens if Bland goes down again?

RB-this whole offseason has been about fixing their poor run game from a schematic point of view. They are going to need a quality back to be successful. With Dowdle gone, do we have faith in our current group at the position?

I would add Linebacker to the list, especially with Eberflus as our DC now. A former LB coach who always targets high end linebackers for his system.

All this screams, trade down, trade down. I think they can get their RB in the 4th, but not in the 5th. Same could be said about CB/NT, but not WR. Find a way to get that 4th back and they could have a chance.

Unless we trade down, I think it will be NT. We invested a first-rounder just two years ago in Mazi and just paid Odighizuwa $80 million over four years.

LB could be on the list for the first three rounds, but I think we're going to test out the LBs we picked up in FA alongside Liufau this year while waiting for Overshown's return. I'm expecting LB and NT to be later-round choices.

Ideally, we trade down into the late teens to early 20s and choose whoever is left from among Golden, Burden, Ekuba, Harmon, Hampton, Johnson, Jihaad Campbell, Mykel Williams and Ezeiruaku. My favorites around 18-20 are in bold.

 

[Cowboyny]

Unless we trade down, I think it will be NT. We invested a first-rounder just two years ago in Mazi and just paid Odighizuwa $80 million over four years.

LB could be on the list for the first three rounds, but I think we're going to test out the LBs we picked up in FA alongside Liufau this year while waiting for Overshown's return. I'm expected LB and NT to be later-round choices.

They have to draft not to count on Overshown this yr and ahead as they have no idea how he is going to be after two major injuries to both his knees.

As for NT, they were really bad against the run with Mazi, they have to add more legitimate competition to the position

 

[gimmesix]

They have to draft not to count on Overshown this yr and ahead as they have no idea how he is going to be after two major injuries to both his knees.

As for NT, they were really bad against the run with Mazi, they have to add more legitimate competition to the position

Sort of. I don't think they count him out as far as the future goes, even if he doesn't play this year because he played so well before the injury. So ostensibly, we have two drafted LBs going forward. How much we need to add a third one depends on what the plan is with Parsons. Are we going to play him at LB on early down and move him to DE when we go to the nickel?

As far as Mazi goes, I think they want to add competition, but I also think they believe they can get a player who is strictly an NT later in the draft. Quinn convinced Dallas to draft Mazi because he believed he could bring out the 3-tech in him.

I think because of the DT depth in this draft, a player like Jamaree Caldwell or Nazir Stackhouse may be available on the third day to fill that competition role.

 

[Cowboyny]

Sort of. I don't think they count him out as far as the future goes, even if he doesn't play this year because he played so well before the injury. So ostensibly, we have two drafted LBs going forward. How much we need to add a third one depends on what the plan is with Parsons. Are we going to play him at LB on early down and move him to DE when we go to the nickel?

As far as Mazi goes, I think they want to add competition, but I also think they believe they can get a player who is strictly an NT later in the draft. Quinn convinced Dallas to draft Mazi because he believed he could bring out the 3-tech in him.

I think because of the DT depth in this draft, a player like Jamaree Caldwell or Nazir Stackhouse may be available on the third day to fill that competition role.

I think the ship has sailed from playing Parsons at linebacker, last two dc’s made him into a full time edge.

Taking a late nt does nothing to improve their run defense, just adds more depth to the position, they really need an impact interior nt. Marinelli was the one who convinced this front office you don’t need to draft a high nt, but their run defense has been terrible ever since

 

[gimmesix]

I think the ship has sailed from playing Parsons at linebacker, last two dc’s made him into a full time edge.

Taking a late nt does nothing to improve their run defense, just adds more depth to the position, they really need an impact interior nt. Marinelli was the one who convinced this front office you don’t need to draft a high nt, but their run defense has been terrible ever since

It doesn't matter. It's highly doubtful they will take one early. I've resigned myself to that. You probably should too.

 

[75boyz]

It doesn't matter. It's highly doubtful they will take one early. I've resigned myself to that. You probably should too.

I dont mean to butt into you and Cowboy ny's conversation but there's such a strong selection of both 1 and 3 tech d tackles this year that a 1-2 punch of grabbing one of each "early" would truly change this defense in such an extremely positive way for both the short and long term future of the team.

It's the most impactful roster building decision that could be made and I truly hope they take advantage of this year's strong DT selection pool.

jmo

 

[gimmesix]

I dont mean to butt into you and Cowboy ny's conversation but there's such a strong selection of both 1 and 3 tech d tackles this year that a 1-2 punch of grabbing one of each "early" would truly change this defense in such an extremely positive way for both the short and long term future of the team.

It's the most impactful roster building decision that could be made and I truly hope they take advantage of this year's strong DT selection pool.

jmo

I don't disagree. That's why I'd draft DT in the first two rounds if it was up to me.

I just think it's kind of pointless to debate it because I can't see the team doing it. Of course, the point of this thread is what position can we afford to wait on, so my bad.

I just think Dallas will see it as they can afford to wait on DT, and there's reason for them to believe that (no clear No. 2 receiver on the roster when you have to have two starters; no clear starting RB with the two who were brought in last year both averaging less than 4 yards per carry).

Even with those needs, I'd still take a DT within the first three rounds and save corner for later. But I think Dallas will see third CB (with Diggs out indefinitely), which is essentially another starting position, as more in need of a starter than DT.

 

[75boyz]

I don't disagree. That's why I'd draft DT in the first two rounds if it was up to me.

I just think it's kind of pointless to debate it because I can't see the team doing it. Of course, the point of this thread is what position can we afford to wait on, so my bad.

I just think Dallas will see it as they can afford to wait on DT, and there's reason for them to believe that (no clear No. 2 receiver on the roster when you have to have two starters; no clear starting RB with the two who were brought in last year both averaging less than 4 yards per carry).

Even with those needs, I'd still take a DT within the first three rounds and save corner for later. But I think Dallas will see third CB (with Diggs out indefinitely), which is essentially another starting position, as more in need of a starter than DT.

Yep, had to get it off my chest.
But your post here is the most accurate likely big picture speculation on the Jones draft day group think.

 

[Cowboyny]

It doesn't matter. It's highly doubtful they will take one early. I've resigned myself to that. You probably should too.

They are looking at a few DT’s which gives me a little hope, but you are probably right

 

[gimmesix]

They are looking at a few DT’s which gives me a little hope, but you are probably right

I parked hope a couple of years ago ... and I was late to the game.