Who are your two MVPs thus far?

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Bleu Star;3049827 said:
Mine:

Joe Decamilis - STUD coach
Miles Austin - Clear #1...

I sure wish Austin had stepped his game up before we went out and mortgaged the house on the forgettable RW11. Perhaps someone can answer a couple of burning questions.

1. Am I the only one that notices the parallel between Romo no longer making RW11 the primary target and his INTs going completely away?

2. Can someone explain to me how two people that allegedly worked so hard together in the off-season are rarely on the same page? Romo is playing at a very high level so I know it's not on him. Hrmmm...
I can't believe the season is just about half over.

So far - Brooking who is emotional leader of team and Miles Austin.

As far as Roy, I don't know the problem. He has been here a year, had a full offseason. Braylon Edwards has made immediate impact for the Jets. I do think he will eventually come around, he is too talented not to.
 

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newnationcb;3050021 said:
I doubt that. It's a totally different case from say, last year when close to 50% of Romo's ints were actually intended for TO. On the int plays we just discussed, only on the int for a TD against the Gmen was the initial read supposed to be Roy.

And I absolutely love intelligent, football conversation or debate. Especially after wins :). I'm just not into the overreaction and short sightedness of calling a player garbage or emphatically stating that a player would never be something only to eat crow afterwards when we can be more patient, deliberate and thorough in our initial analysis. In your case, see Romo and Jenkins.

Slate calls Austin GARBAGE and a couple of weeks later he's making a thread about how much money we're supposed to pony up to him.

You make a prediction that we'll be 8-8 and 9-7 at best then post an "I told you so" thead after a loss.

If you're as concerned as I am about Roy's lack of production and synchronization with Romo, then I'm willing to talk about the possible causes and what we should realistically expect. Let's talk about that.

If you're talking about how much Roy sucks or how he'll never be anything for us, then pardon my back.

:laugh2: There it is. I knew the old you was in there somewhere. You may as well look elsewhere. Aside from the fact that RW is basically garbage, there really isn't much else that I care to discuss regarding him.

This team hasn't won jack **** in 13 years. Pardon me if I don't possess your subterranean blood pressure. I still love my Boys just the same. I'm sure you've never been wrong about anything. :laugh2: The season is still early but I like where it's going thus far. Don't anoint anyone yet there Mr. Perfection.
 

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Mike Jenkins should be in the conversation. He's been fantastic lately.
 

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Joe Realist;3050041 said:
I can't believe the season is just about half over.

So far - Brooking who is emotional leader of team and Miles Austin.

As far as Roy, I don't know the problem. He has been here a year, had a full offseason. Braylon Edwards has made immediate impact for the Jets. I do think he will eventually come around, he is too talented not to.

Braylon Edwards
DeSean Jackson
Percy Harvin
Jeremy Maclin
 

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I think Jenkins and Sensabaugh deserve some consideration.
 

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Does anybody have stats on how many passes Witten has dropped this season?
 

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EPL0c0;3050626 said:
Does anybody have stats on how many passes Witten has dropped this season?

No one talks about that. I counted 2 today.
But no one talks about how Witten is also struggling with Romo. All you hear about is Roy.
 

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Bleu Star;3049954 said:
In those first couple of game Tony wasn't settled into a groove and he was consistently looking off his alleged #1 WR. That created instances where the ball was being thrown with a greater sense of urgency since he was already checking to his 2nd and 3rd reads (b/c lazy #1 wasn't doing anything to help the cause). So, regarding #1, I don't think I am off at all. Actually, I am pretty spot on. Tony's #1 read is now open more often than not. He is now making more cool, calm, and deliberate throws as a result of that new #1.
The pre-snap read of the defense is the first thing any quarterback does. What the defense allows determines how the quarterback will assign his reads. Additionally, the receivers will also readjust their routes to take advantage of any preceived defensive weakness. The quarterback will also audible to tell the rest of the offense to make adjustments as well.

Each play has a designated X receiver, Y receiver, etc., but the quarterback will try passing the ball in the order which the defense provides the best matchup. Not following this basic Football 101 process means that the quarterback seeks to automatically force the ball to one receiver on every play. Even his success with Austin hasn't prevented Romo from going through his normal progressions.

Let’s now look at each Romo interception this season:

Interception #1

1: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/1stint1.jpg

2: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/1stint2.jpg

3: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/1stint3.jpg

Austin is split out wide singled up with the cornerback in bump-and-run zone coverage. Witten’s lined up left with a safety defending him up top. Crayton is in the slot with a nickel cornerback defending him in man coverage. Williams is split out wide right with the cornerback in bump-and-run zone coverage with safety help over the top.

Romo’s reads:

1. Austin
2. Witten
3. Crayton

Crayton was running a deep out. Romo may or may not have thought that Williams’ defender was in man coverage. Doesn’t matter. The cornerback dropped back in zone coverage. Result: interception.

An observer’s two conclusions:

A. Williams ran the wrong route, which would have made it a deeper one placing him in the same area as Crayton. Plays are not commonly run with receivers ending up in the same area, but…

Williams would have been better equipped to catch the clear overthrow not meant for Crayton.

or

B. Crayton ran the right route and Romo thought that Williams’ cornerback and safety support would have been taken out of the immediate area where he was throwing the ball to allow the catch.

Interception #2

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/2ndint1.jpg

The receivers are in tight, bump-and-run coverage. Linebackers are in blitz formation. Safeties are playing back.

There is one and only one read and that’s Witten. Safety coverage is too deep and the linebackers have surrendered the middle of the field on 2nd-and-10. Fluke play results in interception.

Interception #3

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Romo throws deep to Hurd for an awaiting safety to pick off the ball.

”… Tony wasn't settled into a groove and he was consistently looking off his alleged #1 WR. That created instances where the ball was being thrown with a greater sense of urgency since he was already checking to his 2nd and 3rd reads (b/c lazy #1 wasn't doing anything to help the cause).”

”Romo had to go somewhere else because of lazy Williams?”

Williams wasn’t even on the field.

Interception #4

1: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/4thint1.png

2: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/4thint2.jpg

3: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/4thint3.jpg

4: http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Romo%20INTs/4thint4.jpg

[1st photo/pre-snap alignment] Williams is split out wide left with tight cornerback man coverage. Crayton is lined up left in the slot in similar tight cornerback coverage. Witten’s lined up right man-on-man with the safety. Austin is split out wide right with Champ Bailey playing off in loose coverage.

[2nd photo/1st read] Romo only takes a quick glance at Williams. Williams hasn't even engaged the cornerback’s weak attempt to jam him at the LOS before Romo looks away from him – e.g. clearly less than two seconds at the VERY most.

[3rd photo/2nd read] Romo continues his drop while turning his attention to Witten. The safety is staring him down.

[4th photo/3rd read] Austin’s route drives Bailey deep and into the endzone. Romo throws behind him towards the sideline. Troy Aikman speculated that Austin did not drive back harder for the ball on an out pattern and shielded Bailey from the ball with his body. I agree, but Williams should be blamed for running a poor route that never developed less than two seconds after the snap of the ball???

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Romo’s and Williams’ communication is still poor at this stage of the season. It needs more work. Williams can also work on improving his route running. However, the assumption that Williams affected Romo’s reads to this level of detriment is a stretch, especially in the false implication of him primarily causing Romo’s interceptions. Plain and simple.
 

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Nice breakdown there DE. I get the need to continue protecting that which you think still has some potential. Or... let's just say you're using what you consider factual information (albeit still very subjective). The bottom line is still that once Romo didn't have to worry about making RW11 his #1 read his everything improved. You could remove RW11 from the field right now and the offense would keep right on ticking. I strongly believe that.
 

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Bleu Star;3050863 said:
Nice breakdown there DE. I get the need to continue protecting that which you think still has some potential. Or... let's just say you're using what you consider factual information (albeit still very subjective). The bottom line is still that once Romo didn't have to worry about making RW11 his #1 read his everything improved. You could remove RW11 from the field right now and the offense would keep right on ticking. I strongly believe that.
It'll be interesting to find out what you find subjective, especially during the one instance where Roy Williams wasn't even on the field. It was me, not you, who stated, "Romo’s and Williams’ communication is still poor at this stage of the season. It needs more work. Williams can also work on improving his route running." Tell me, what exactly am I protecting?
 

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Austin hasn't played enough games.

Offense: Romo
Defense: Jenkins and Brooking (Brooking for leadership) (honorable mention Olshansky)
ST: The coach of course as picking a player would be hard. Lots of guys making plays. ST teams has literally be a team effort.
 

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DallasEast;3050877 said:
It was me, not you, who stated, "Romo’s and Williams’ communication is still poor at this stage of the season. It needs more work. Williams can also work on improving his route running."

It is though! Are you actually going to sit here and try to prove to me with your elaborate research that the two people who allegedly eat, practice, and slept together in the off-season are actually on the same page? LULZ

RW11 runs sloppy routes, is never where he is supposed to be, and doesn't appear to have a very good grasp of the playbook at this point in his tenure with the Boys. He's about a year in and still not clicking. In stark contrast, players like Braylon Edwards, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin, and believe it or not.. Michael Crabtree (6 rec 81 yds yesterday) have had zero issues with picking up their playbooks and running with them in far less time.

Interesting... :huh:
 

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nyc;3050882 said:
Austin hasn't played enough games.

Offense: Romo
Defense: Jenkins and Brooking (Brooking for leadership) (honorable mention Olshansky)
ST: The coach of course as picking a player would be hard. Lots of guys making plays. ST teams has literally be a team effort.

I can't believe the difference in STs. Joe D has got these guys playing like madmen from the kicker on down to the 53rd guy on the roster. They are playing with reckless (yet organized) abandon. I get so pumped now when I see STs on the field. It reminds me of the good ol Joe Avezzano days.
 

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Miles Austin
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Romo
Ware
Ratliff
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Bleu Star;3050888 said:
It is though! Are you actually going to sit here and try to prove to me with your elaborate research that the two people that allegedly eat, practice, and slept together in the off-season are actually on the same page? LULZ
Nowhere in my original comments (and I meant in no instance whatsoever) did I state or even imply anything of the sort. Please point it out. Either you have misunderstood what you're read or you're not being factual in your response. You're the one who made the implications in your response to newnationcb. I've only pointed out the errors in your judgment in each instance. Of course, if you want to claim that I have said that Romo and Williams were on the same page during a play where Williams wasn't even on the field...

...well, knock yourself out.
Bleu Star;3050888 said:
RW11 runs sloppy routes, is never where he is supposed to be, and doesn't appear to have a very good grasp of the playbook at this point in his tenure with the Boys. He's about a year in and still not clicking. In stark contrast, players like Braylon Edwards, Percy Harvin, and Jeremy Maclin, and believe it or not.. Michael Crabtree (6 rec 81 yds yesterday) have had zero issues with picking up their playbooks and running with them in far less time.

Interesting... :huh:
I always love it whenever anyone says the word "never". They mean it, but will never (oops!) claim that they are being literal.
 
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