Who could we get as an offensive coordinator?

[ilovejerry]

Were DOOMED

 

[dbair1967]

Martz is by far and away the best guy on the market.

Don't know how people can scoff at a guy who was responsible for the Rams' offenses from 99-01, then went to Detroit and turned Jon Kitna into a back-to-back 4,000 yard, 7+ yards/attempt QB...then went to SF and had their offensive output shoot up so much they're probably being investigated for steroids.

if you want to win a championship and have your team go far in the playoffs every yr, Martz is probably about the last guy we should be bringing in. Not to mention that he's apparently a very diffficult coach for others to get along with.

you people bash Garrett for giving up on the run too early, this guy is eons more pass happy than Garrett is or ever will be, and his protection schemes have gotten QB's killed everywhere he goes

 

[THUMPER]

I doubt there's any chance that Jason Garrett gets another HC job offer, but what if. Who could we get to replace him? I don't think anyone on our current offensive staff is really OC material.

If I were a potential OC out there, I'd be licking my chops at taking the reigns on this offense.

Not that he would be willing to work for Jerry Jones but how about Danny White?

 

[dbair1967]

Not that he would be willing to work for Jerry Jones but how about Danny White?

good God no

 

[cowboyinlouisville]

Mangini??? A few short years ago he was considered a genious. I just think he has trouble running a team as a whole.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What about Brian Schottenheimer if he had a good QB? Wasn't he highly though of? And Marty obviously thinks highly of Wade.

Of course, he might go work for dad if he gets hired in Cleveland.

Don't honestly know much about him... Just throwing it out there.

 

[windward]

Sherman is who they said would've probably gotten it if Garrett had left last year... IIRC he was an OC at Green Bay for a year. (And not very good.)

He was the OC for the 1999 Minnesota Vikings.

They ranked 5th in pts scored. 5th in passing and 14th in rushing. Not bad, esp with Jeff George at QB.

After the 1998 season though anything would have paled in comparison to Vikings fans.

They hired Sherman Lewis as OC and Sherman quit rather than take a a demotion.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He was the OC for the 1999 Minnesota Vikings.

They ranked 5th in pts scored. 5th in passing and 14th in rushing. Not bad, esp with Jeff George at QB.

After the 1998 season though anything would have paled in comparison to Vikings fans.

They hired Sherman Lewis as OC and Sherman quit rather than take a a demotion.

Thanks for the correction. I thought I'd read he wasn't that good... But obviously that was wrong.

 

[BAT]

Thanks for the correction. I thought I'd read he wasn't that good... But obviously that was wrong.

If they hired someone else to do his job, then he could not have been that great. Especially if the organization wanted to demote him.


Ray was not a good OC. And until he figures out how to get Roy Williams to run proper routes, he hasn't been that great shakes as a position coach either. I give him credit for baby sitting T.O. and possibly developing (ongoing) Miles Austin though.

 

[dbair1967]

Thanks for the correction. I thought I'd read he wasn't that good... But obviously that was wrong.

if he coaches the entire offense as crappy as he did the wr's this yr, why would anyone want him to be calling plays?

I mean come on, is everyone forgetting how many blown routes we've seen?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

if he coaches the entire offense as crappy as he did the wr's this yr, why would anyone want him to be calling plays?

I mean come on, is everyone forgetting how many blown routes we've seen?

I don't want him to... Just pointing out that that's who Jerry (or was it Wade) said would've gotten it if Garrett had gone to Baltimore.

 

[Chief]

I'm not a David Lee fan. He coached an option offense in college and was dreadful.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm not a David Lee fan. He coached an option offense in college and was dreadful.

ditto...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Norv.

It's SB or bust for him.

Wrong.

they already said he'll be back next year.

This right here is what I was going to say. They already came out and made it clear that Norv was safe for next season.

Martz is by far and away the best guy on the market.

Don't know how people can scoff at a guy who was responsible for the Rams' offenses from 99-01, then went to Detroit and turned Jon Kitna into a back-to-back 4,000 yard, 7+ yards/attempt QB...then went to SF and had their offensive output shoot up so much they're probably being investigated for steroids.

Apparently we've watched a different San Fran offense cause it's been anything but impressive. This offense still isnt anywhere NEAR the level that Norv had it before going to San Diego.

Martz is, was, and always will be a hack. He was great with what St. Loius had because it would have been darn near impossible to screw that up but since then he's been anything but. Kitna, while good, threw for that many yards cause he threw the ball 40+ times a game cause Martz doesn't believe in a running game.

Thanks, but no thanks, on Martz.



As for who I'd like to have...I don't know. There are guys i think would be great OC's but they're not going to take demotions or lateral moves to come here, IMO.

I wouldn't mind Norv, but he's obviously not an option. I wouldn't be against a guy like Cam Cameron, whose done wonders with Flacco this year and an offense that has no major weapons, but there is no way the Ravens let him talk to Dallas for a lateral move.

*Shrugs* No clue really on who you go with to replace Garrett but I can't imagine it would be hard to find a guy who would be less predictable.

 

[BAT]

Mangini??? A few short years ago he was considered a genious. I just think he has trouble running a team as a whole.

Mangini is a defensive coach.


What about Al Saunders, at least he will run the ball.

 

[Ren]

Norv baby! as soon as he gets fired

say what you want about his HC abilities but you can not question his ability to run an offense

 

[JordanTaber]

Wrong.




This right here is what I was going to say. They already came out and made it clear that Norv was safe for next season.





Apparently we've watched a different San Fran offense cause it's been anything but impressive. This offense still isnt anywhere NEAR the level that Norv had it before going to San Diego.

Martz is, was, and always will be a hack. He was great with what St. Loius had because it would have been darn near impossible to screw that up but since then he's been anything but. Kitna, while good, threw for that many yards cause he threw the ball 40+ times a game cause Martz doesn't believe in a running game.

Thanks, but no thanks, on Martz.

It isn't anywhere NEAR the level Norv had it before going to San Diego, huh?

Then why did the 49ers score 339 points this year compared to the 298 they scored with Norv in 2006?

And I never said the 49ers' offense was "impressive;" it's just gone from absolutely AWFUL and one of the worst in the history of the league in 2007, to respectable...OVERNIGHT. With only a 36 year old Isaac Bruce as a key personnel addition.

And there's a reason I brought up Kitna's 7+ yards/attempt during those seasons in which he threw for 4,000+ yards. 7 is really the barometer for a healthy average. A piece of trash like Kitna has no business touching 4,000 yards on 7+ yards per pass attempt.

Nor do receivers like Mike Furrey and Shaun McDonald deserve 1,000 (or in McDonald's case, 950) yard seasons.

And the 99-01 Rams could have VERY EASILY been screwed up. For one, Kurt Warner was a journeyman/Arena League QB. Trent Green was an 8th round pick originally. Warner won 2 passing titles and Green the other one during those 3 years. It's pretty obvious neither one could succeed in the NFL without playing in a phenomenal system.

Marshall Faulk was a great player but it didn't do the Colts a whole lot of good when he was over there.

Isaac Bruce was a great technical receiver, but never a true game breaker. He was somewhere down there rounding out the NFL's top 10 receivers at the top of his game.

Torry Holt is one of the most overrated players in the history of pro football. A glorified possession receiver who is the worst runner after the catch in football.

After that, they really didn't have a whole lot. Journeymen TEs, journeymen 3rd and 4th receivers (Proehl was probably underrated overall, but it's not like anyone would ever want him starting for them).

The key was the Jim Hanifan coached line, which usually gave their QBs perfect protection...with Orlando Pace shutting people down at left tackle.

This Dallas offense is infinitely more talented than those Ram offenses were.

 

[BAT]

Is Jim Hanifan still among the living? He was a great OL coach.

 

[MONT17]

last I check Garrett doesnt play!

 

[FiniteMan!]

Not that he would be willing to work for Jerry Jones but how about Danny White?

I think that would be a VERY smart hire by Jerry & Wade. They need to bring in a competent outsider with some credibility with Cowboy fans. They need an outsider who can play bad cop with Romo and the layabouts. After White's work in the NFL & AFL, it seems pretty likely he would excell at that job. The talent is there. He may not make it the #1 offense in the league, but it would show up every week and run the ball like it can.

On the negative side, sherman would walk. Not a HUGE negative as he is a much better OC than WR coach.

Sherman is the likely replacement if Garrett end up the lions coach. I don't know if that is OK or awful.