Who could we get as an offensive coordinator?

[5Countem5]

pretty much, the passing game part anyway

Similarities exist but with the running game used by Leach , his spread is closer to a WCO than the R/S...

Just an opinion though...

 

[dbair1967]

Similarities exist but with the running game used by Leach , his spread is closer to a WCO than the R/S...

Just an opinion though...

I think if you do some research on him, you'll find he was influenced great by run and shoot people...I dont know for sure because I honestly dont keep up with the guy, but I seem to recall some conversation on ESPN one day about his offense and a couple of others like it, and they were saying thats where alot of the basis of it came from.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Is this really turning into a Mike Leach thread?

He'd never work in the pros. It's okay, he's very good at what he does in college.

 

[Bach]

Bach, sit down.

Don't faint. Have some smelling salts nearby.

I agree with you.

 

[DIAF]

I think if you do some research on him, you'll find he was influenced great by run and shoot people...I dont know for sure because I honestly dont keep up with the guy, but I seem to recall some conversation on ESPN one day about his offense and a couple of others like it, and they were saying thats where alot of the basis of it came from.

I know one thing. His offense sure looks like the Chuck n Duck, and not the WCO to me. Either way, I want no part of either of those pansy offenses in Big D.

 

[bysbox1]

It isn't anywhere NEAR the level Norv had it before going to San Diego, huh?

Then why did the 49ers score 339 points this year compared to the 298 they scored with Norv in 2006?

And I never said the 49ers' offense was "impressive;" it's just gone from absolutely AWFUL and one of the worst in the history of the league in 2007, to respectable...OVERNIGHT. With only a 36 year old Isaac Bruce as a key personnel addition.

And there's a reason I brought up Kitna's 7+ yards/attempt during those seasons in which he threw for 4,000+ yards. 7 is really the barometer for a healthy average. A piece of trash like Kitna has no business touching 4,000 yards on 7+ yards per pass attempt.

Nor do receivers like Mike Furrey and Shaun McDonald deserve 1,000 (or in McDonald's case, 950) yard seasons.

And the 99-01 Rams could have VERY EASILY been screwed up. For one, Kurt Warner was a journeyman/Arena League QB. Trent Green was an 8th round pick originally. Warner won 2 passing titles and Green the other one during those 3 years. It's pretty obvious neither one could succeed in the NFL without playing in a phenomenal system.

Marshall Faulk was a great player but it didn't do the Colts a whole lot of good when he was over there.

Isaac Bruce was a great technical receiver, but never a true game breaker. He was somewhere down there rounding out the NFL's top 10 receivers at the top of his game.

Torry Holt is one of the most overrated players in the history of pro football. A glorified possession receiver who is the worst runner after the catch in football.

After that, they really didn't have a whole lot. Journeymen TEs, journeymen 3rd and 4th receivers (Proehl was probably underrated overall, but it's not like anyone would ever want him starting for them).

The key was the Jim Hanifan coached line, which usually gave their QBs perfect protection...with Orlando Pace shutting people down at left tackle.

This Dallas offense is infinitely more talented than those Ram offenses were.

Dude, just say no to Mike Martz. It's a horrible one note spread offense system.

He was horrible here in St. Louis. I listened to all the groaning fans here. Marz does not like to run the ball, and all he want to do is throw the ball 40 yards downfield while expecting the Oline to hold up while the QB makes the reads on the long routes. And Marshall Faulk was a huge part of that offense. Marshall had an NFL record 2429 yards from scrimmage that year, the highest in NFL history.

And before you say anything about Faulk being proof that Martz will use the running game, it was Dick Vermiel that watered down that offense during the RAMS Super Bowl runs. Once Vermiel left, the Martz offense turned to crap because he would not run the ball. And the only reason why Martz has had remote success in San Fran is because of Mike Singletary forcing him to run the ball.

Also both Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger got killed here running the Martz offense. We could barely keep Romo upright as it is, what makes you think he will do any better in a Skunk Martz offense?

 

[LucaBrasi]

Ray Sherman was fired by the Steelers after one season as coordinator in 1998, replacing Chan Gailey.

The Steelers were coming off an AFC Championship game appearance when they hired Sherman. He was critcicized for the regression of Kordell Stewart and Cowher didn't like the fact that he never called deep passes.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

Martz?

if garret leaves im all for martz running this offense

i would have no problem with it

 

[5Countem5]

Is this really turning into a Mike Leach thread?

He'd never work in the pros. It's okay, he's very good at what he does in college.

Why?

I know what we have now is really kicking butt, but why are you so sure about something that hasn't been done?

 

[Hostile]

I was a afraid of that man. You got your nitro pills?

 

[TunaCaserole]

What about offering something to Ken Anderson (QB Coach Pittsburgh) or Kevin Gilbride (QB Coach Giants). I want smash mouth football back in Big D. We got the huge line and a talented pool of RB's. Let's use 'em.

 

[bysbox1]

if garret leaves im all for martz running this offense

i would have no problem with it

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhh!

You guys must only watch Cowboys games. No way. He's horrible. We may as well get rid of all of our running backs because Martz hates to run the ball.

 

[28 Joker]

Mangini is a defensive coach.


What about Al Saunders, at least he will run the ball.

Good name. Bill Parcells wanted him, and the Commanders beat us.

Wasn't Mike Solari his offensive line coach in Kansas City?

That is the OL coach Phillips wanted, but Jerry Jones took Houck instead.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhh!

You guys must only watch Cowboys games. No way. He's horrible. We may as well get rid of all of our running backs because Martz hates to run the ball.

wasnt marshall faulk an mvp candidate and one of the best backs in the league under martz offense or am i mistaken?

and didnt frank gore this season run the ball just as much as he did the previous yer despite missing a game and a half to end the season. they didnt seeem any less comitted to run the ball to me and he gave an offense which was terrible last season some life.

plus martz loves to get his rb involved in the passing game which is something all of us have been screaming for garrett to do more of especially before felix got hurt

Marshall Faulk Talks About What Frank Gore Can Expect in Mike Martz's Offense

Posted Jun 12th 2008 7:48PM by Ryan Wilson (author feed)
Filed under: 49ers, NFC West

The 49ers went out and got Frank Gore some help this offseason in the form of DeShaun Foster. But new offensive coordinator Mike Martz will still have extremely high expectations of the only proven skill player on the roster. I know this because Marshall Faulk told me as much.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Sacramento Bee's Matthew Barrows, Faulk explained his role in the Martzian scheme and what Gore can expect:

It was all on me. The onus was on me to control a lot of things within our offense. Frank is going to be in that same way. He's the core. It's all going to be built around him.

In a sense, it asks a lot of you, and you've got to ask more of yourself, because you've got to be out there on the field. I can remember a time when Mike would call timeouts and say, 'Catch your breath. We've got to get you back in the game

SURE SEEMS LIKE THIS GUY FELT INVOLVED. IF MARTZ HAS A TALENTED BACK TO USE WHICH HE DIDNT IN DET AS THEY HAD NO RUNNING GAME AND A POOR O-LINE HE WILL GET HIM INVOLVED
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[28 Joker]

Bat,

Al Saunders coached with Don Coryell at San Diego with Joe Gibbs in the 1970s. The offense Dallas ran in the 1990s was learned by Norv Turner from Ernie Zampese. Don Coryell was pretty much the godfather of that offense.

Saunders coached with the Rams under Mike Martz and Dick Vermeil. What offense did they run? You guest it. The things they did were based on Don Coryell's offense.

While Saunders was in K.C. from 2002-2005, K.C. had one the top ranked offenses in the NFL. Their offensive line dominated. I think that was Mike Salari's offensive line. In 2006, Parcells did want him as offensive coordinator, but the Commanders paid him $ 6 million dollars, and he reunited with Joe Gibbs.

Saunders has coached WRs just about every where he has been. That is a plus, too. He does have a 700 page playbook. Yikes. However, Romo is really smart.

If you didn't want to go away from the Norv Turner/Ernie Zampese style of offense, this guy would be a great get.

You could get Saunders and Solari back together.

Both of these guys should be available. Saunders is the Rams offensive coordinator. In fact, the Rams might have an interest in Jason Garrett as head coach. Solari is in Seattle, and he should be available when the new coach brings in his own people.

Phillips saw Salari's lines and how good they were when he coached with San Diego. Phillips got and up close look at his offensive line in 2004 and 2005. Who was the Chief's offensive coordinator?

Al Saunders


Saunders has never had the talent that Dallas has on offense, never.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

Bat,

Al Saunders coached with Don Coryell at San Diego with Joe Gibbs in the 1970s. The offense Dallas ran in the 1990s was learned by Norv Turner from Ernie Zampese. Don Coryell was pretty much the godfather of that offense.

Saunders coached with the Rams under Mike Martz and Dick Vermeil. What offense did they run? You guest it. The things they did were based on Don Coryell's offense.

While Saunders was in K.C. from 2002-2005, K.C. had one the top ranked offenses in the NFL. Their offensive line dominated. I think that was Mike Salari's offensive line.

Saunders has coached WRs just about every where he has been. That is a plus, too. He does have a 700 page playbook. Yikes. However, Romo is really smart.

If you didn't want to go away from the Norv Turner/Ernie Zampese style of offense, this guy would be a great get.

You could get Saunders and Solari back together.

Solar was great back then i would not mind a package deal with these guys.

i still prefer martz over saunders but if we can get saunders and he can convince solari to come with him to give this o-line some life im for it. only if its a package deal or martz is off the table. saunders is good but hes number 2 on my list. still not a bad option

 

[28 Joker]

Solar was great back then i would not mind a package deal with these guys.

i still prefer martz over saunders but if we can get saunders and he can convince solari to come with him to give this o-line some life im for it. only if its a package deal or martz is off the table. saunders is good but hes number 2 on my list. still not a bad option

The guy knows offensive football for sure. He had Jon Kitna lighting it up for a while.

The tough part of your sell is this. He's very pass happy. If he would have given Faulk the ball in that Super Bowl, he wins it, imo.

Now, Singletary seemed to have Martz disciplined when he took over. S.F. really had to run the ball, and they did. He may want to keep him. Plus, Wade doesn't need to worry about Martz being too pass happy. If Martz got a hold of Romo, he would be tempted to sling it every down. He would be sweating bullets wanting to throw it.

That is one thing I liked about Norv Turner. He put Aikman in good positions by leaning on his running game and throwing the ball to the running backs and Moose. Plus, when we were backed up in S.F. in that first NFC Title Game, and the game was slipping away. He ran a slant to Harper. It wasn't a deep lolly pop fade. 123 and the ball was out.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

The guy knows offensive football for sure. He had Jon Kitna lighting it up for a while.

The tough part of your sell is this. He's very pass happy. If he would have given Faulk the ball in that Super Bowl, he wins it, imo.

Now, Singletary seemed to have Martz disciplined when he took over. S.F. really had to run the ball, and they did. He may want to keep him. Plus, Wade doesn't need to worry about Martz being too pass happy.

That is one thing I liked about Norv Turner. He put Aikman in good positions by leaning on his running game and throwing the ball to the running backs and Moose. Plus, when we were backed up in S.F. in that first NFC Title Game, he ran a slant to Harper. It wasn't a deep lolly pop fade. 123 and the ball was out.

i heard martz was fired the other day by sf

 

[28 Joker]

i heard martz was fired the other day by sf

I didn't know that. He will get a job.

Man, I will probably be disappointed, but this sounds really good to me:

Al Saunders
Mike Salari
Dom Capers
New Special Teams Coach
New QB Coach

David Lee did a great job with Tony Romo.

Romo needs a quaterbacks coach that will get after him some if he needs it or remind him of the little things. Ex. carrying the ball when scrambling/both hands and tight to chest

 

[isawoj]

It won't happen but I'd replace Garrett with Gailey in a heartbeat.

Look at the huge offensive philosphy overhaul Gailey made during the season because of Oline injuries, poor play by Larry Johson and being stuck playing a 3rd string rookie QB. The change from a power running team that didn't work to a spread offense passing game made KC the highest scoring offense in the NFL over the last 9 games.

I think people forget that Garrett has 2 years as a QB coach and 2 years as an OC. Compare his resume with that of the OC for the Patriots and Josh McDaniels looks more like an Ivy league genius than Garrett.