Who has a better shot to be a legitimate quality lineman, Biadasz or Steele?

[ColeBeasley11]

Biadasz will not play the full 17. Farniok will pull a Dak and steal his job.

Steele will struggle the second half of the season.

No neither Steele nor Biadasz will establish themselves this season.

Steele has consistently shown improvement. Especially in the weight room where he won awards last offseason. I believe we found our RT of the future. Just needs to clean up pass pro.
Biadaz can’t handle a bull rush and it’s gonna be a problem again. He was suppose to be a dominant run blocker but I haven’t seen that.

 

[terra]

Biadaz had the pedigree but might be physically maxed out.
Steele has already surpassed expectations but he might be maxed out as well.

Honestly at this time I see neither one being good enough to be a long time starter.

 

[fivetwos]

This guy explains it well.



The weak link is Tyler Biadasz. The Center position is obviously more important, especially with a rookie in Tyler Smith starting at Left Guard. Coach McCarthy and Stephen Jones understand this, hence why they consistently praised Matt Farniok this offseason and stated how they expect Farniok to push for that starting Center position.

I'd really like to see Farinok get a real shot, and last I heard the kid speak of it, it was Biadasz job to lose but not written in stone.

Nothing wrong with competition, but it is interesting that they brought in not one, but two top rated UDFA centers.

As far as I'm concerned, may the best man win, but I would guess that Biadasz will get the benefit of the doubt and have to be really bad, and/or miss camp time while Farinok impresses in a big way to lose the job.

 

[CWR]

I have confidence in Tyler Smith doing his part. Once he gets his feet wet and into the 2nd half of the season he will be fine.

So this Oline restructuring is coming down 3 things................Tyron Smith health, and then the progress of Biadasz and Steele the young question marks on this line.

Chances are only one of them is going to work out if either.

-Which one would you rather see turn into the starter that we are looking for?

- Which one do you think has the better shot of actually doing it?

Steele will do his part, and be fairly solid. I'm not sure about the center.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Steele will do his part, and be fairly solid. I'm not sure about the center.

Fairly solid? I wouldnt consider that being the guy we need.

I have my doubts about both of them.

 

[Bullflop]

Steele seems to have a fair lead on Biadasz at this point in time. The center position is more difficult, though. They should both improve a bit, with the factor of their experience being a year further along. Biadasz will be challenged by several teammates. He'd had better be prepared for the fight. That should prove to be something major to watch for during TC.

 

[Cowboyny]

Frame is maxed out in his 2nd season? Interesting take there.

His lack of strength hasn't improved since he was drafted.

 

[CWR]

Fairly solid? I wouldnt consider that being the guy we need.

I have my doubts about both of them.

For what it's worth: (BTB)

In 2021, Steele played 170 more snaps for the Dallas Cowboys due to Tyron Smith and Collins being unavailable at various points in the season. So, for most of these metrics, it is important to keep in mind that Steele was used more.

At the most basic level, Collins allowed a quarterback pressure on 2.6% of snaps with two sacks, and Steele allowed a 3.4% pressure rate with two sacks. So, while Collins was consistently better in pass-protection with an efficiency grade of 97.7, Steele wasn't far behind with a grade of 96.6.

Steele has drawn less penalties over the last couple to few seasons as well.

Where we drop off the most is his run blocking. LC was better there, but for whatever reason we ran the ball much better last season when LC was out. Steele took a hit at LT, and I'll continue to argue they should've kept him at RT and moved LCs sorry butt to left.

I still think we end up missing LC, but primarily because we have lost depth at a position we will almost certainly need it at.

 

[CowboyRoy]

His lack of strength hasn't improved since he was drafted.

You are talking about basically one year. First year was rehab, then injury again. This is only his 2nd offseason improving his game.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yep. Last September I suggested that Biadasz may have maxed out strength wise and got blasted.

It was said that if he keeps lifting weights he will keep growing and getting stronger. Maybe if he eats his broccoli he can will get taller as well.

Or...if he was squatting 800 last year, and kept at it....he should be well over 1000 by now, and much stronger, yes?

Doesn't at all work that way, but didn't stop the fantasy that Biadasz can hit the gym and turn into Frederick lol.

We saw the same issues with Connor Williams. His lack of strength wasn't that much different then when he was as a rookie. Wasn't cause of lack of training, but rather his frame being maxed out.

 

[CowboyRoy]

For what it's worth: (BTB)

In 2021, Steele played 170 more snaps for the Dallas Cowboys due to Tyron Smith and Collins being unavailable at various points in the season. So, for most of these metrics, it is important to keep in mind that Steele was used more.

At the most basic level, Collins allowed a quarterback pressure on 2.6% of snaps with two sacks, and Steele allowed a 3.4% pressure rate with two sacks. So, while Collins was consistently better in pass-protection with an efficiency grade of 97.7, Steele wasn't far behind with a grade of 96.6.

Steele has drawn less penalties over the last couple to few seasons as well.

Where we drop off the most is his run blocking. LC was better there, but for whatever reason we ran the ball much better last season when LC was out. Steele took a hit at LT, and I'll continue to argue they should've kept him at RT and moved LCs sorry butt to left.

I still think we end up missing LC, but primarily because we have lost depth at a position we will almost certainly need it at.

Exactly...............Show me the stats of Steele when he played RT. When they switched him over to LT it was a disaster.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We saw the same issues with Connor Williams. His lack of strength wasn't that much different then when he was as a rookie. Wasn't cause of lack of training, but rather his frame being maxed out.

Frame maxed out? LOL

Very creative BS term.

 

[CWR]

Exactly...............Show me the stats of Steele when he played RT. When they switched him over to LT it was a disaster.

Yeah I'd share it if I had it. The only reason I remember this is from one of my plethora of Cowboys podcasts I listen to during my commute.

I think if you're truly hoping for the next big piece to this oline puzzle, it has to be Tyler Smith.

I imagine we need to go after a blue chip Olineman next draft as well. People talk about it like it's ridiculous to have such an investment in one position group, but our past oline dominance is the main reason we've been competitive. It's all in the trenches.

Of course, we could look to FA, lol.

 

[Cowboyny]

You are talking about basically one year. First year was rehab, then injury again. This is only his 2nd offseason improving his game.

He played in almost 30 games in which he still struggles with lack of strength. It's very possible is frame is maxed out. We heard several media scouts questioning the same thing with Linderbaum pre-draft. Both might struggle against power.

This was Biadasz's scouting report:

He plays under control and usually hits his landmarks, but he has issues winning when matched against power. Pass protection could be a concern, as NFL sub-rushers will feast on his lunging and average lateral quickness. Biadasz's skill level has been developed, so he could become an early starter with limited upside.

 

[Cowboyny]

Frame maxed out? LOL

Very creative BS term.

This is a real thing, some players have the ability to add muscle to their frames, some cannot.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah I'd share it if I had it. The only reason I remember this is from one of my plethora of Cowboys podcasts I listen to during my commute.

I think if you're truly hoping for the next big piece to this oline puzzle, it has to be Tyler Smith.

I imagine we need to go after a blue chip Olineman next draft as well. People talk about it like it's ridiculous to have such an investment in one position group, but our past oline dominance is the main reason we've been competitive. It's all in the trenches.

Of course, we could look to FA, lol.

To me you invest in the Oline and QB. The rest of bit pieces on offense.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He played in almost 30 games in which he still struggles with lack of strength. It's very possible is frame is maxed out. We heard several media scouts questioning the same thing with Linderbaum pre-draft. Both might struggle against power.

This was Biadasz's scouting report:

He plays under control and usually hits his landmarks, but he has issues winning when matched against power. Pass protection could be a concern, as NFL sub-rushers will feast on his lunging and average lateral quickness. Biadasz's skill level has been developed, so he could become an early starter with limited upside.

Your way off buddy. Biadasz had surgery his rookie offseason and couldnt do anything more than rehab. That was also the Covid year where there was no TC. Basically a complete washout. When he was finally health enough to play his rookie year, he stared 3 or 4 games and got hurt again.

Again, washout rookie season by every measure.

He FINALLY got an offseason just last year and then started all 17 games. Basically his rookie year. Now this is his 2nd true offseason.

If you dont undertand any of that, or you want to blow it off as not important than lets just move on with the discussion.

There was no 30 games started or whatever nonsense your talking about.

Biadasz is essentially going into his 2nd season while holding his won his rookie year. And by all accounts he looks stronger and bigger.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is a real thing, some players have the ability to add muscle to their frames, some cannot.

Most young lineman can get stronger in their early 20's. I wont argue otherwise.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We saw the same issues with Connor Williams. His lack of strength wasn't that much different then when he was as a rookie. Wasn't cause of lack of training, but rather his frame being maxed out.

Connor Williams had one of the worst rookie years ever. He was thrown around like a rag doll. And he did get stronger. He just wasnt good enough.

 

[Cowboyny]

Your way off buddy. Biadasz had surgery his rookie offseason and couldnt do anything more than rehab. That was also the Covid year where there was no TC. Basically a complete washout. When he was finally health enough to play his rookie year, he stared 3 or 4 games and got hurt again.

Again, washout rookie season by every measure.

He FINALLY got an offseason just last year and then started all 17 games. Basically his rookie year. Now this is his 2nd true offseason.

If you dont undertand any of that, or you want to blow it off as not important than lets just move on with the discussion.

There was no 30 games started or whatever nonsense your talking about.

Biadasz is essentially going into his 2nd season while holding his won his rookie year. And by all accounts he looks stronger and bigger.

He played in 12 games as a rookie, 17 last yr not including playoffs. that's 30 games. Sink or swim time for him this season, either he solidifies the starting spot or they look for his replacement in next year's draft.