Who I'd rather have selected than Hitchens

[Aliencowboy]

Next time the ST's coach lies on the tracks for a guy, run him over.
in order of selected:

Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)

Out of that list:
Thomas, Pierre-Louis, Savage, Telvin Smith, Yankey
(Quite certain these guys will be around and starting longer than Hitchens)
Watch Pierre-Louis, Thomas, Savage, Telvin, Yankey videos and you'll see potential to be
special at the the very least a starter soon. Watch Hitchens and you'll agree- back up player and ST player.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Hitchens can play MLB, that was a big factor, Thomas is too small to do anything but ST's, Telvin smoked his way off our board, Yankey dropped a lot from Febuary, heard his tape and feet are bad bad, Savage a complete project, guessing it wasn't Pierre-Louis because he can't play MLB

 

[DBOY3141]

I know it's been posted, but I think folks need to remember JJ saying that the LB coach, Defensive coach and JG were smiling ear to ear on the selection......and the ST coach was willing to lay in front of a train for you. So he wasn't just a ST coach selection.

In regards to the other players, some may be better than Hitchens will...some won't. We'll see how it plays out after a year or two. Not many 4th round draft picks are starters in their 1st year.

 

[xwalker]

Next time the ST's coach lies on the tracks for a guy, run him over.
in order of selected:


Out of that list:
Thomas, Pierre-Louis, Savage, Telvin Smith, Yankey
(Quite certain these guys will be around and starting longer than Hitchens)
Watch Pierre-Louis, Thomas, Savage, Telvin, Yankey videos and you'll see potential to be
special at the the very least a starter soon. Watch Hitchens and you'll agree- back up player and ST player.

Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
I wouldn't get too worked up about any RB.

Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
Not overly fast.

Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
Do they really need another mid/late round Safety?

Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
Maybe. This is probably the best option in your list.

Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
QBs in the 4th have a very low probability of ever doing anything. If Romo's health fails this year then they're probably drafting a QB in the 1st next year anyway, with or without a guy like Savage on the roster.

Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
Fast but stiff.

Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
Should be a 3-4 OLB.

Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
He is better as a 3-4 DE.

Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
Maybe, but where does he play? He would be best if he could stay at his college weight and be a Nickel LB only. If he bulks up he probably loses what made him a great college player.

Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)
Maybe, but there is a reason that he fell this far. Also, his best fit is in a power OL scheme. He's not a great fit in the Cowboys Zone Scheme.

 

[tantrix1969]

Well this was kind of a letdown, I opened this expecting it to be more like the Things That Are Faster Than Felix thread

 

[OhSnap]

Next time the ST's coach lies on the tracks for a guy, run him over.
in order of selected:

Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)

Out of that list:
Thomas, Pierre-Louis, Savage, Telvin Smith, Yankey
(Quite certain these guys will be around and starting longer than Hitchens)
Watch Pierre-Louis, Thomas, Savage, Telvin, Yankey videos and you'll see potential to be
special at the the very least a starter soon. Watch Hitchens and you'll agree- back up player and ST player.

Dwayne Harris is too good to ignore. I'm wondering why you don't know this.

 

[DFWJC]

Dwayne Harris is too good to ignore. I'm wondering why you don't know this.

Yes!

If you combine Punt Return and Kick Return performance, Dwayne Harris was the best in the league last year.

He had the 2nd best Kickoff Return average and the 3rd best Punt Return average

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think Telvin Smith will end up being a Safety in the NFL and I also think he might end up being one heck of a good one. JMO of course.

 

[speedkilz88]

Jax has him at LB and wants him to bulk up to 230

His speed [stands out]. With Telvin, he moves really well in space. He picks things up. He’s just got to put some weight on.”

That’s the topic that does take the smile off of Smith’s face, although the jokes still come. The Jaguars have health shakes available for the players after practice, and Smith is surely going to get his fair share. Bradley wants him around 230 pounds as soon as possible.

“I’ve got two shakes here,” Smith said at his locker. “I’ve got two shakes in my shoes. I’ve got Gatorades, water. I’m eating. It’s about putting it on. I’m going to make sure I’m where I need to be when the season starts. I’m going to go get a job, make plays. I’ll do whatever I can to help the team and right now that’s adding weight, so that’s what I’m doing.”

The question is how much, if any, of Smith's tremendous quickness will he lose if he’s able to gain roughly 10 pounds in the next two months?

He lived up to his reputation coming out of FSU. If Smith can maintain that speed, it might be hard for the Jaguars to keep him off the field.

Running back Storm Johnson was familiar with Smith’s abilities prior to last weekend, but got an up-close look as he was a frequent target on check-downs and screens.

“I know that he’s quick to the ball and fearless,” Johnson said. “He’s going to come after you. ... If he gets to 230, watch out.”



http://jacksonville.com/sports/foot...okie-lb-telvin-smith-stands-out#ixzz32T3XbD5w

 

[Aliencowboy]

Dwayne Harris is too good to ignore. I'm wondering why you don't know this.

Wouldn't say I am ignoring him, in fact, I supported Harris over Ogletree back when.

The fact is, this is Harris' last season (2015 FA). Are they going to pay him to stay? Highly doubtful with the big contracts they will shell out this coming year. Drafting BPA helps you manage cap numbers and avoid compounded poor drafting: take a chance on injured LB in the 2nd -Sean Lee aka Made of Glass- and then draft backup to doubly penalize yourself.

Is this what you are supporting?

 

[Aliencowboy]

Jax has him at LB and wants him to bulk up to 230

Like this article.

Imagine him at WLB whether 220 or 230. How do you throw slants, skinny posts ins or outs around that size, length and quickness? I thought this scheme preferred speed over power especially outside.

 

[OhSnap]

Wouldn't say I am ignoring him, in fact, I supported Harris over Ogletree back when.

The fact is, this is Harris' last season (2015 FA). Are they going to pay him to stay? Highly doubtful with the big contracts they will shell out this coming year. Drafting BPA helps you manage cap numbers and avoid compounded poor drafting: take a chance on injured LB in the 2nd -Sean Lee aka Made of Glass- and then draft backup to doubly penalize yourself.

Is this what you are supporting?

Good point most return guys go to another team to have a chance at starting as a receiver and catch 28 passes but you said we didn't have one which couldn't be farther from the truth. It's a valuable position and can get a good team over the top but your pulling a hamstring to say we don't have one and should have taken one instead of a linebacker and you back it up by pointing out that we have a LINEBACKER that cant get through a whole season. Do you really think we should focus on depth at the KR/PR position when we have a LB made of glass? I think your just tryin to bury the Hitchins pick before he ever plays a down and your willing to say dumb stuff to do it

 

[NJ22]

Next time the ST's coach lies on the tracks for a guy, run him over.
in order of selected:

Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)

Out of that list:
Thomas, Pierre-Louis, Savage, Telvin Smith, Yankey
(Quite certain these guys will be around and starting longer than Hitchens)
Watch Pierre-Louis, Thomas, Savage, Telvin, Yankey videos and you'll see potential to be
special at the the very least a starter soon. Watch Hitchens and you'll agree- back up player and ST player.

How dare you question our GM! Do you think you know more about football than Jerry?!? LOL. People really say these things.. Of course you know more than Jerry! I am actually starting to feel bad for this kid. Was he over drafted? Of course. But when people put threads on here defending the pick by finding one story out of a million where a guy no one has heard of likes the pick, it just keeps bringing attention to the pick. Let's see what he can do, nothing can be done about the pick and let's all hope the majority of us are wrong about him and he becomes a solid contributor.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Good point most return guys go to another team to have a chance at starting as a receiver and catch 28 passes but you said we didn't have one which couldn't be farther from the truth. It's a valuable position and can get a good team over the top but your pulling a hamstring to say we don't have one and should have taken one instead of a linebacker and you back it up by pointing out that we have a LINEBACKER that cant get through a whole season. Do you really think we should focus on depth at the KR/PR position when we have a LB made of glass? I think your just tryin to bury the Hitchins pick before he ever plays a down and your willing to say dumb stuff to do it

Don't think that hypothetically Thomas is depth at WR/Slot and KR/PR. Could win the starting job at any of those positions and the point is to take the BPA and that in turn helps you manage cap not drafting/reaching for insurance. How is that 'dumb stuff'?

 

[Aliencowboy]

How dare you question our GM! Do you think you know more about football than Jerry?!? LOL. People really say these things.. Of course you know more than Jerry! I am actually starting to feel bad for this kid. Was he over drafted? Of course. But when people put threads on here defending the pick by finding one story out of a million where a guy no one has heard of likes the pick, it just keeps bringing attention to the pick. Let's see what he can do, nothing can be done about the pick and let's all hope the majority of us are wrong about him and he becomes a solid contributor.

You're so right. Actually, this guy by all accounts is a high-character person. Hell, I am sure he's happy to be drafted in the 4th and give his best effort for the team.

It's really about the philosophy/approach by the brass.

 

[speedkilz88]

Like this article.

Imagine him at WLB whether 220 or 230. How do you throw slants, skinny posts ins or outs around that size, length and quickness? I thought this scheme preferred speed over power especially outside.

They picked Will Smith later. They think they got a WLB who has the physical skills to cover but the awareness and consistency to go with those tools. He's also already 231.

 

[xwalker]

They picked Will Smith later. They think they got a WLB who has the physical skills to cover but the awareness and consistency to go with those tools. He's also already 231.

Yes, Telvin Smith was 218 at the combine and ran a 4.47 forty. Will Smith was 231 and ran a 4.59 forty. If Telvin had come in at 231 or Will had come in at 218, their times would probably be about the same. The same is probably true on the field. How many other LBs would look terrific in coverage if they had played at 218 instead of mid 230s?

 

[dasander]

I'm done questioning the A. Hitchens pick. That list of names doesn't exactly inspire me and none of those guys taken afterwards in the 4th round are going to be sure-fire starters in the NFL. I remember being excited about Akwasi Ansah and David Arkin as 4th round picks because they were names I was familiar with during the draft process and they both ended up being busts! A. Hitchens may or may not turn out to be good player, but he's a 4th round pick for goodness sake, so give him atleast 3 years before we gripe about how much of a reach he is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They picked Will Smith later. They think they got a WLB who has the physical skills to cover but the awareness and consistency to go with those tools. He's also already 231.

I didn't watch more than a few games of him but awareness is not something I would attribute Smith. Consistency too for that matter unless you mean consistently bad in getting off blocks.


He runs well but he is raw as raw to my eyes. Reminds me of Ernie Sims running around.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Yes, Telvin Smith was 218 at the combine and ran a 4.47 forty. Will Smith was 231 and ran a 4.59 forty. If Telvin had come in at 231 or Will had come in at 218, their times would probably be about the same. The same is probably true on the field. How many other LBs would look terrific in coverage if they had played at 218 instead of mid 230s?

The Cowboys were one pick away from getting their WOLB in the first round this year. Like RDE and 3 technique on the DL, I think they view WOLB as a premium position in this defense. If they eventually end up replacing Carter, it will probably be with a 1st or 2nd round pick.