Who I'd rather have selected than Hitchens

[speedkilz88]

The Cowboys were one pick away from getting their WOLB in the first round this year. Like RDE and 3 technique on the DL, I think they view WOLB as a premium position in this defense. If they eventually end up replacing Carter, it will probably be with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

The reason they were enamored with Shazier is they thought he could also be an edge rusher.

 

[xwalker]

The reason they were enamored with Shazier is they thought he could also be an edge rusher.

Interesting. I noticed that Will Smith rushed more often than the average 4-3 LB. It was more middle blitzes, but he didn't shy away from full speed contact with OLinemen.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

The reason they were enamored with Shazier is they thought he could also be an edge rusher.

Would be interesting how we would have played him. I know Denver had their best pass rusher play SLB in a 4-3. Though it's likely we would have had Shazier play WLB.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Interesting. I noticed that Will Smith rushed more often than the average 4-3 LB. It was more middle blitzes, but he didn't shy away from full speed contact with OLinemen.

Don't forget we have Wilber. He was a decent edge rusher at OLB in the 3-4. He even rushed a little at SLB in the 4-3.

 

[xwalker]

Don't forget we have Wilber. He was a decent edge rusher at OLB in the 3-4. He even rushed a little at SLB in the 4-3.

Yes, they gave him some chances to rush from from the SLB spot last season. In some formations that position becomes similar to a 3-4 OLB.

 

[OhSnap]

Yes, they gave him some chances to rush from from the SLB spot last season. In some formations that position becomes similar to a 3-4 OLB.

I think someone here said they quit doin that because it was workin.

 

[AsthmaField]

Next time the ST's coach lies on the tracks for a guy, run him over.
in order of selected:

Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)

Out of that list:
Thomas, Pierre-Louis, Savage, Telvin Smith, Yankey
(Quite certain these guys will be around and starting longer than Hitchens)
Watch Pierre-Louis, Thomas, Savage, Telvin, Yankey videos and you'll see potential to be
special at the the very least a starter soon. Watch Hitchens and you'll agree- back up player and ST player.

Haha, love the avatar. Chachi, lol.

As for your picks:

No to Thomas
No to Desir
No to Vereen
I liked Louis, but the team clearly wanted more size and toughness than him. Still, I probably would have taken Louis over Hitchens.
No, no, no to Savage.
No to Webster.
I liked Shembo but he isn't as good a LB as Hitchens.
No to Hart.
No to Telvin Smith. He's just too light.
I did Like Yankey too, but we really, really needed LB.

I understand why you would want those guys, but Louis might be the only one I'd take over Hitchens.

 

[AsthmaField]

Jax has him at LB and wants him to bulk up to 230

They want him to bulk up to that this season? Man that is quick.

I've always kind of felt like you can put on a few pounds each year, but more than about 7 or so is too much and you lose to much speed, movement, athleticism, so to speak.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I think someone here said they quit doin that because it was workin.

I thought Wilber did a good job rushing from the SLB position. I guess I could see why they wouldn't do it consistently though. Marinelli has his whole "rush men" philosophy. He gets 95% of his pressure from his front 4. Denver ran a slightly different version of the 4-3. They had their lead rushers at the WDE and SLB positions. Their SDE was a 320+ pound guy who would take up blockers so Von Miller could rush the passer. Kinda like how Seattle would do it with Red Bryant at SDE. But that's what I liked about Rob Ryan. He wasn't afraid to switch it up and hit you with something you weren't expecting. Marinelli seems to be more simplistic and old school. His front 4 rush, his LBers chase down and make tackles, and his secondary plays zone.

 

[OhSnap]

I thought Wilber did a good job rushing from the SLB position. I guess I could see why they wouldn't do it consistently though. Marinelli has his whole "rush men" philosophy. He gets 95% of his pressure from his front 4. Denver ran a slightly different version of the 4-3. They had their lead rushers at the WDE and SLB positions. Their SDE was a 320+ pound guy who would take up blockers so Von Miller could rush the passer. Kinda like how Seattle would do it with Red Bryant at SDE. But that's what I liked about Rob Ryan. He wasn't afraid to switch it up and hit you with something you weren't expecting. Marinelli seems to be more simplistic and old school. His front 4 rush, his LBers chase down and make tackles, and his secondary plays zone.

I figured there was some kinda draw back to having Wilbur over there too much like teams just audibling to a screen to that side. I liked some of the stuff Ryan did too, I'd like to know the inside story on why he was fired. I think he pissed someone off.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Dwayne Harris is too good to ignore. I'm wondering why you don't know this.

Funny, the Black Mamba would have been my choice.

 

[OhSnap]

Funny, the Black Mamba would have been my choice.

I think he would have been a good choice instead of Randle last year if that was possible but after another year of signing other teams cast offs to play defense in December I don't know if they had a choice to pick anything other than defensive depth. I think Carter put an extra scare into em with his issues, his future is a little more fuzzy this year than it was last year too. Anthony is a burner, it's hard to believe Snoop Dog has run a pop warner league long enough for players to be gettin into the NFL now.

 

[bodi]

SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA

MEANING LESS POST

WHY REHASH THINGS

WE KNOW NOTHING OF HOW ANY OF THESE GUYS WILL TURN OUT

MAYBE WE GOT ANOTHER ALL PRO - MAYBE A BUST

 

[Risen Star]

Hey, it's cool guys. Our entire war room was smiling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey, it's cool guys. Our entire war room was smiling.

Hey guys its not cool. Risen Star has more snark and no substance to his takes.

 

[Risen Star]

There's too many to list.

To draft a backup/special teams player in the 4th round is just awful value.

 

[theSHOW]

I thought Wilber did a good job rushing from the SLB position. I guess I could see why they wouldn't do it consistently though. Marinelli has his whole "rush men" philosophy. He gets 95% of his pressure from his front 4. Denver ran a slightly different version of the 4-3. They had their lead rushers at the WDE and SLB positions. Their SDE was a 320+ pound guy who would take up blockers so Von Miller could rush the passer. Kinda like how Seattle would do it with Red Bryant at SDE. But that's what I liked about Rob Ryan. He wasn't afraid to switch it up and hit you with something you weren't expecting. Marinelli seems to be more simplistic and old school. His front 4 rush, his LBers chase down and make tackles, and his secondary plays zone.

interesting view

 

[Aliencowboy]

Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
I wouldn't get too worked up about any RB.
WR/RB/KR/PR- notice you didn't reference electrifying. PHilly/Orleans have attacking players in space.

Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
Not overly fast.
Yes, that's what they said about Richard Sherman but drafted him in the 5th round

Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
Do they really need another mid/late round Safety?
Do we have a clear-cut starter? Impact player at the position? Throw numbers at it.

Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
Maybe. This is probably the best option in your list.
Doesn't play MLB. Who cares. Watch the guy play. Notice the elite quickness and athleticism. OLB is still a weakness. Could be a starter for Dallas this year. But we are looking for backups.

Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
QBs in the 4th have a very low probability of ever doing anything. If Romo's health fails this year then they're probably drafting a QB in the 1st next year anyway, with or without a guy like Savage on the roster.
Draft BPA. If this guy gets in a year and lights up the field, he will be worth a pick higher (2nd or 1st). Keep Romo. If Romo and his surgery repaired back are debilitating, you got a cap-friendly QB for 3 year more years. The ball jumps off this guys hand. Elite spinner. Played Pro-style. Too much forethought for this board.

Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
Fast but stiff.
Ok. Then put him at LDE. Quite sure the DL needs numbers.

Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
Should be a 3-4 OLB.
Ok he looked compact and could handle the MLB spot. Has pass-rush skills. Dude is piped.



Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
He is better as a 3-4 DE.
Then put him at the 1 or Looks like a solid LDE

Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
Maybe, but where does he play? He would be best if he could stay at his college weight and be a Nickel LB only. If he bulks up he probably loses what made him a great college player.

Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)
Maybe, but there is a reason that he fell this far. Also, his best fit is in a power OL scheme. He's not a great fit in the Cowboys Zone Scheme.

Disagree. Watch him. He is talented in his blocks coming and getting to the second level and has the movement and could play guard in ZBS. We still have no depth at OG and LG is now still weak.

 

[KingintheNorth]

For me, if you were to replace the Hitchens pick with Telvin Smith, I'd have given our draft an A+. I hated giving up a 3rd to move up but I get that Lawrence was the last real 4-3 edge rusher. I felt Will Smith was a bit of a reach but you can take those kinds of shots in the 7th round. The Hitchens pick baffles me.

Time will tell but we've been pretty bad in the 4th round more times than not the last few years.

 

[AsthmaField]

For me, if you were to replace the Hitchens pick with Telvin Smith, I'd have given our draft an A+. I hated giving up a 3rd to move up but I get that Lawrence was the last real 4-3 edge rusher. I felt Will Smith was a bit of a reach but you can take those kinds of shots in the 7th round. The Hitchens pick baffles me.

Time will tell but we've been pretty bad in the 4th round more times than not the last few years.

Hey, at least you're taking a wait and see attitude. That's all anyone can ask.

What I don't like is when people condemn the player before he's ever played a down for the team, acting like they know for a fact that the guy is gonna suck.

Just about every UDFA who ever played well wasn't expected to be much of anything. Romo, Austin, Victor Cruz, and many others all played way better than anyone thought.