Who is more of a Hall of Fame lock?

[random Cs]

Both are locks and will be first ballot. It's hard to say which is more of a lock. (kind of devalues the meaning of the word) They're not WR's so I don't see any surprises.

I have heard debates at DE with Deacon Jones. I didn't get to watch much of Deacon, but I have heard people talk about how good he was in his day.

If they only recorded tackling the QB behind the LOS in his day.

 

[Zaxor]

Deion was "the" shutdown corner... Off. Cor. game planned around Deion...

I am a huge D. Green fan but he wasn't in Deion's league...

 

[Zaxor]

also for my part for Rice as 2nd best

Don Hutson (6-1, 183)
Green Bay Packers (1935-1945)
All-Time 11 positions: wide receiver, cornerback
All-NFL: 9 times
MVP: 1941, 1932
NFL champion: 1936, 1939, 1944
Hometown: Pine Bluff, Arkansas
College: Alabama
Hall of Fame: 1963 (charter member)

No receiver in history – not even Jerry Rice – dominated the position like Don Hutson. He was also a stellar defensive back and a clear choice to make any superstar team, including our All-Time 11, where he shreds defenses at wide receiver and shuts down opposing offenses at cornerback.

Hutson joined the NFL in its offensive Stone Age but put up remarkably modern numbers. When measured against the standards of his era, no pass catcher can match Hutson for sheer dominance. Compare Hutson, for example, to Rice, the player universally proclaimed by modern football fans as the greatest wideout of all time:

• Rice led the league in receptions twice (in 20 seasons).
• Hutson led the league in receptions a record eight times (in 11 seasons).
• Rice led the league in receiving yards six times.
• Hutson led the league in receiving yards seven times, including a record four years in a row (1941-44).
• Rice had four 200-yard receiving performances in 303 career games.
• Hutson had four 200-yard receiving performances in 116 career games.

Hutson was also a superb defensive back who picked off 30 passes in the six seasons in which the stat was kept. His 30 INTs in 63 games (0.48 INTs per game) puts his theft rate above that of almost every great defensive back in history. All-time interception leader Paul Krause, for example, picked off 81 passes in 226 games (0.36 INTs per game). Ronnie Lott, the only Live Ball Era defensive back in the Hall of Fame, picked off 63 passes in 192 games (0.33 INTs per game).

The knock against Hutson is that he feasted on subpar competition during the war years. There’s certainly some merit to this argument. But his Packers won two NFL championships in the pre-war years (1936, 1939) and he led the league in TDs every year of his career except two (1939, 1945).

Hutson’s signature campaign was 1942, when – in an 11-game season – he intercepted seven passes and hauled in a Ruthian 74 receptions for 1,211 yards (16.4 YPC) and 17 TDs. Projected over a 16-game season, that’s one of the greatest receiving seasons ever: 108 catches for 1,761 yards and 25 TDs.

 

[TheHustler]

can you really be "more" of a "lock". i mean, a lock means guaranteed, no question about it, no ifs and or buts, no doubt whatsoever. a lock is a lock.

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[sago1]

I think Deion was probably one of the really best CB to every play his position. His return ability along with his WR skills also add credence to his being a first round selection as soon as he's eligible. I also think Green was an excellent CB and played in many pro bowlers. He also should make the HOF. Having said the above, I'd prefer Green on my team any time over Deion whose antics on the Cowboys caused some tension.

 

[Kangaroo]

Darrell Green or Deion Sanders? Maybe you don't consider one of them as a lock.

I don't know I am bored at work today.

I guess I think Darrell Green will definitely get in on the first try.

You are evil and yes both are locks

Why did you have to drudge up the horrible childhood memories

Don't get me wrong Green is a 1st ballot HOF CB period end of story but dang it he was a Commander and one in my childhood when Dallas was chocking away in the playoffs :clubbed:

 

[Vintage]

This is like asking me "Choose one: Do you want to bang Jessica Alba or Mercedes Terrell?"

The answer is "yes." (Who cares which it is at that point)


In real life, I'd get rejected by them so fast, the world would actually counter-spin for a second or two....

 

[Yeagermeister]

I think Deion was probably one of the really best CB to every play his position. His return ability along with his WR skills also add credence to his being a first round selection as soon as he's eligible. I also think Green was an excellent CB and played in many pro bowlers. He also should make the HOF. Having said the above, I'd prefer Green on my team any time over Deion whose antics on the Cowboys caused some tension.

It won't be Deion WR skills that get him in to the HOF.

 

[Green28]

Green28

 

[riggo]

I am in the minority, but you never know what time had in store for Irvin's career.

wasnt irvin slowing down just a bit before he was forced to retire?

dont flame me- i think irvin was very good. just sayin, i think jerry did it at a high level for a very long time. he was a freak.

 

[Yeagermeister]

wasnt irvin slowing down just a bit before he was forced to retire?

dont flame me- i think irvin was very good. just sayin, i think jerry did it at a high level for a very long time. he was a freak.

Actually he was off to one of his best starts before he got hurt.

 

[Vintage]

Actually he was off to one of his best starts before he got hurt.

Other than that, spot on, as usual....riggo...

 

[riggo]

Actually he was off to one of his best starts before he got hurt.

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other than the skins game- 5 rec, 122 yds and 2 TD's (followed by 2 for 13 and 2 for 24 and a score before philly), irvin had amassed 3 100 yard games and 1 TD since the start of the 98 season.

again- not hatin'. just sayin i think he may have be close to the end of his career as a truly effective weapon by his standards.

 

[riggo]

Other than that, spot on, as usual....riggo...

why, thank you for noticing.











even though you were being sarcastic.

 

[joseephuss]

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other than the skins game- 5 rec, 122 yds and 2 TD's (followed by 2 for 13 and 2 for 24 and a score before philly), irvin had amassed 3 100 yard games and 1 TD since the start of the 98 season.

again- not hatin'. just sayin i think he may have be close to the end of his career as a truly effective weapon by his standards.

He was not at the top of his game in 1999. He could still get that critical third down, but he was not consistently making big plays any more. A steady move the chains guy because his game was never about speed and quickness. He lost a step, but still knew how to use his body. I think he could have been like Keyshawn Johnson, just a little bit better. He could throw in a big game every now and then like against the Commanders.

 

[riggo]

He was not at the top of his game in 1999. He could still get that critical third down, but he was not consistently making big plays any more. A steady move the chains guy because his game was never about speed and quickness. He lost a step, but still knew how to use his body. I think he could have been like Keyshawn Johnson, just a little bit better. He could throw in a big game every now and then like against the Commanders.

i agree with that.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Both players are locks for the Hall of Fame.... Both were spectacular in some points in their careers.

 

[Chuck 54]

Darrell Green or Deion Sanders? Maybe you don't consider one of them as a lock.

I don't know I am bored at work today.

I guess I think Darrell Green will definitely get in on the first try.

Deon was in an entirely different world athletically than Green, but due to his long term excellence, they will both go in with huge numbers on the first ballot.

That said, Deon may go in with some of the largest numbers ever. I'd hate to be a sportswriter who voted against him and have to explain that if my vote were to be made public.

 

[adamknite]

also for my part for Rice as 2nd best

Don Hutson (6-1, 183)
Green Bay Packers (1935-1945)
All-Time 11 positions: wide receiver, cornerback
All-NFL: 9 times
MVP: 1941, 1932
NFL champion: 1936, 1939, 1944
Hometown: Pine Bluff, Arkansas
College: Alabama
Hall of Fame: 1963 (charter member)

No receiver in history – not even Jerry Rice – dominated the position like DonHutson. He was also a stellar defensive back and a clear choice to make any superstar team, including our All-Time 11, where he shreds defenses at wide receiver and shuts down opposing offenses at cornerback.

Hutson joined the NFL in its offensive Stone Age but put up remarkably modern numbers. When measured against the standards of his era, no pass catcher can match Hutson for sheer dominance. Compare Hutson, for example, to Rice, the player universally proclaimed by modern football fans as the greatest wideout of all time:

• Rice led the league in receptions twice (in 20 seasons).
• Hutson led the league in receptions a record eight times (in 11 seasons).
• Rice led the league in receiving yards six times.
• Hutson led the league in receiving yards seven times, including a record four years in a row (1941-44).
• Rice had four 200-yard receiving performances in 303 career games.
• Hutson had four 200-yard receiving performances in 116 career games.

Hutson was also a superb defensive back who picked off 30 passes in the six seasons in which the stat was kept. His 30 INTs in 63 games (0.48 INTs per game) puts his theft rate above that of almost every great defensive back in history. All-time interception leader Paul Krause, for example, picked off 81 passes in 226 games (0.36 INTs per game). Ronnie Lott, the only Live Ball Era defensive back in the Hall of Fame, picked off 63 passes in 192 games (0.33 INTs per game).

The knock against Hutson is that he feasted on subpar competition during the war years. There’s certainly some merit to this argument. But his Packers won two NFL championships in the pre-war years (1936, 1939) and he led the league in TDs every year of his career except two (1939, 1945).

Hutson’s signature campaign was 1942, when – in an 11-game season – he intercepted seven passes and hauled in a Ruthian 74 receptions for 1,211 yards (16.4 YPC) and 17 TDs. Projected over a 16-game season, that’s one of the greatest receiving seasons ever: 108 catches for 1,761 yards and 25 TDs.

You make a compelling argument.... I'm not saying I agree, but that is kind of eye opening.

 

[Stautner]

also for my part for Rice as 2nd best

Don Hutson (6-1, 183)
Green Bay Packers (1935-1945)
All-Time 11 positions: wide receiver, cornerback
All-NFL: 9 times
MVP: 1941, 1932
NFL champion: 1936, 1939, 1944
Hometown: Pine Bluff, Arkansas
College: Alabama
Hall of Fame: 1963 (charter member)

No receiver in history – not even Jerry Rice – dominated the position like DonHutson. He was also a stellar defensive back and a clear choice to make any superstar team, including our All-Time 11, where he shreds defenses at wide receiver and shuts down opposing offenses at cornerback.

Hutson joined the NFL in its offensive Stone Age but put up remarkably modern numbers. When measured against the standards of his era, no pass catcher can match Hutson for sheer dominance. Compare Hutson, for example, to Rice, the player universally proclaimed by modern football fans as the greatest wideout of all time:

• Rice led the league in receptions twice (in 20 seasons).
• Hutson led the league in receptions a record eight times (in 11 seasons).
• Rice led the league in receiving yards six times.
• Hutson led the league in receiving yards seven times, including a record four years in a row (1941-44).
• Rice had four 200-yard receiving performances in 303 career games.
• Hutson had four 200-yard receiving performances in 116 career games.

Hutson was also a superb defensive back who picked off 30 passes in the six seasons in which the stat was kept. His 30 INTs in 63 games (0.48 INTs per game) puts his theft rate above that of almost every great defensive back in history. All-time interception leader Paul Krause, for example, picked off 81 passes in 226 games (0.36 INTs per game). Ronnie Lott, the only Live Ball Era defensive back in the Hall of Fame, picked off 63 passes in 192 games (0.33 INTs per game).

The knock against Hutson is that he feasted on subpar competition during the war years. There’s certainly some merit to this argument. But his Packers won two NFL championships in the pre-war years (1936, 1939) and he led the league in TDs every year of his career except two (1939, 1945).

Hutson’s signature campaign was 1942, when – in an 11-game season – he intercepted seven passes and hauled in a Ruthian 74 receptions for 1,211 yards (16.4 YPC) and 17 TDs. Projected over a 16-game season, that’s one of the greatest receiving seasons ever: 108 catches for 1,761 yards and 25 TDs.

Interesting read - we tend to forget the old timers, really moreso in football than in other sports.

One thing also to consider about Hutson is that not only did he rack up numbers durng the watered down competition during the war years, but there were still teams that didn't throw the ball a lot in those days, so his competition for league leader and all-pro WR spots was limited.