Who is the better... Brady or Aikman?

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So, as a 40 year fan of football I know nothing???? Please.

Without Brady, we would have never won a SB.

Does heart, spirit, love of the game make a difference. If you don't think so, then you know nothing of life. That is the case no matter what game you play.

Brady, best QB the Pats ever had.

Next, Grogan.
 

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The only reason I post here is because long ago I was a Cowboy fan. My father lived in Dallas for a few years and we went to the games.

How about, Danny Don and Bob Hayes. You want to talk about fun.

Yes, great fun. Most of you are so young -- forget it.

I became a NE fan. Times change. Yes, we were the bottom of the bottom. But now, forget it. You want a season ticket, well wait about 40 years or so.

Doesn't matter.

Brady = number 1 in New England.

In my mind. Well, I always loved Grogan. Darn, he was something else.
 

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And don't hold your breath. Waiting. It's my fault (remember those words). Over and over again.

Say goodnight Bledsoe. Time to retire.

Who was it that said --- I remember now -- Lincoln -- you can fool some of the people some of the time -- oh darn -- but ending -- but you cannot fool all of the people all of time.

Enough said. And goodnight.
 

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Very good post, Calico. Although I rate Brady higher than you, you nailed it on Aikman and on the NFL of today.

But I am constantly amazed and astonished at the lack of respect Aikman gets, even from Cowboys fans. IMO a lot of the people are, like you suggest, younger posters who were too young to appreciate Aikman and assume that because the average weight and speed of players has gone up, the players are necessarily better now. It's not so.
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I have to agree. 25 - 30 years ago, I thought that Staubach was the greatest quarterback to have ever graced the NFL. Of course, that opinion was based on personal comparisons with his contemporaries and ignorance of the players who preceded him. It wasn't until after watching film (thank goodness for NFL Films) of earlier quarterbacks; listened to commentary from ex-coaches and players about their abilities; evaluated the differences in their respective eras and the level of competition, statistics, etc., that I gained better perspective.

With that greater perspective, I could make a more informed opinion. For example, I wasn't fortunate enough to watch a live game which Johnny Unitas played in, but I have seen tape, etc. I have watched Tom Brady. And I can honestly say that Brady pales in comparison to Johnny U.

Knowledge is power.
 

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So, as a 40 year fan of football I know nothing???? Please.

Without Brady, we would have never won a SB.

Does heart, spirit, love of the game make a difference. If you don't think so, then you know nothing of life. That is the case no matter what game you play.

Brady, best QB the Pats ever had.

Next, Grogan.

What about Bledsoe?:lmao:
 

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But wouldn't it make your day to have Brady, Manning (well, I wouldn't want him), Palmer (darn that kid is good) on your team.

Bledsoe, not going to happen. Never, ever, never. I know the guy. No heart, no guts. Just pure talent. Not enough.
 

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For you to say that the deep ball was Aikman's, weakness is utterly ridiculous when you hear people say that a QB can make every throw that means he can make the deep ones too I bet you don't remember that 1999 overtime win over Washington, when Aikman, threw a beautiful 76 yd bomb to Rocket Ismail.

Aikman, made every throw easily but the funny thing to me though is that people say Brady, can't throw a good deep ball but he actually can you my friend need to go and watch some old film of Aikman, and you will clearly see he had a good deep ball especially when he was in college.

No, his deep ball was his weakness. Remember the '96 playoff game against Carolina, he had both Billy Davis and Kevin Williams behind the defense and missed them badly and he had plenty of time to throw. That was an easy 14 points that he blew by himself. I love Troy, but that was his weakness.
 

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Tell me, if you could have Aikman in his prime would you knock him.

Stop already. The guy was great.

Even as a Pats fan, the guy was great.
 

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calico said:
Good to be around smart football fans overall who know football. I posted something similar in a popular forum that deals with football and media and flamed because today's football player is "bigger, faster, and stronger" than they were 10 years ago. Plus, I was told that today's league is much better and more difficult because the "competition is better".

I thought that was a unique was to look at a watered down, bordering on boring, league.

I don't think you can compare Aikman and Brady because they come from different eras in the league.

I think Aikman is never given ENOUGH credit for the 90's dynasty and Brady is given TOO MUCH credit for NE.

I have never actually been that impressed with Brady, he does not look good under pressure at all, but his O-line and a weak league saves him from that.

I have never seen someone as accurate as Aikman, especially on the deep out. I don't think Brady could make that throw more than 3 out of 10 times.

I am also amazed that Brady is deemed the next Montana, another overrated player who benefitted from an excellent system that took the league by storm at the time.

Aikman was a smart football player who was more of a leader than he is given credit. He found his perfect fit in an offense that he thrived in with a receiver who would put his body on the line to catch the ball...it also did not hurt at all to have the NFL's all time rusher lined up behind him. Which is why Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings and did not pull a Payton Manning or Dan Marino.

I'm an Aikman fan, but we won those superbowls because our defense forced 9 turnovers against Buffalo in the first game and we forced three second half turnovers in the second half of the second Buffalo game and 2 second half turnovers in the Pittsburgh game. Aikman only played well in the first Buffalo game, but then, so did everybody else on the team.
 

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But wouldn't it make your day to have Brady, Manning (well, I wouldn't want him), Palmer (darn that kid is good) on your team.

Bledsoe, not going to happen. Never, ever, never. I know the guy. No heart, no guts. Just pure talent. Not enough.
Just curious. How much credit would you give Bledsoe for quarterbacking the '96 Patriots team to Super Bowl XXXI?
 

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Yes, it is wonderful to have a great defense. In fact, a weak defense means no SB. But your QB can overcome the challenges. Me, give me a good QB. And then work on the rest.

Defense only won the SB with TB. And the Ravens.

OK. But give me a good QB. A leader. Then work out the rest.
 

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Brady, Brady, Brady, yet no mention at all of the Pats' 3-4 D, w/o them, Brady definitely doesn't win ring #2, remember that team posted what? 3 shutouts that year? harp on Aikman's supporting cast all you want, but know this, Brady had some help along the way too
 

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Very little Dallas East. Very little. There is no way we should have lost.

Martin, Glenn (oh would I love to have him back), Coates, great defense and offense and the bum loses.

Farve, he was a factor (tell me a QB does not make a difference).

There is just something with Bledsoe. Brady, I will win. Bledsoe, I will lose. Oh, and it is all my fault. And it is Bledsoe. Retire already.

Glenn, he could have been the best. I sat on the field. Watched him. My mouth dropped open. When he was young, oh my. Older still right up there. You have no idea how good this kid was when he was a rookie. My eyes came out of my head. What is this already.

Glenn. Lucky you. Bledsoe, well, there it goes in the dumps.
 

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Farve, he was a factor (tell me a QB does not make a difference).

I'd say Reggie White, and Desmond Howard were bigger factors wouldn't you say? afterall, they made the most important plays in that game
 

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A QB can overcome that. Trust me, seen it, been there. Brady. Seen it. Farve. Period, well almost, you know what I mean.

Now what did I want to say before I went out. You think it is easy. Gee.

Well, in that I am going out and cannot remember what I was going to say, can you please give us Glenn back.

Much appreciated if you do.

Float, off the turf, who is this guy????????? Could have been the best.

Off for the night. Say goodnight boys and girls.

One good thing, football is close. No more golf, car racing, baseball. Enough already. Can you please give me some football please.
 

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A QB can overcome that. Trust me, seen it, been there. Brady. Seen it. Farve. Period, well almost, you know what I mean.

so you've seen Brady and Farve play from behind and win a Super Bowl?

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One good thing, football is close. No more golf, car racing, baseball. Enough already. Can you please give me some football please.

I agree w/ that though
 

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No, his deep ball was his weakness. Remember the '96 playoff game against Carolina, he had both Billy Davis and Kevin Williams behind the defense and missed them badly and he had plenty of time to throw. That was an easy 14 points that he blew by himself. I love Troy, but that was his weakness.
Since when did you come an instant talent evaluator, I will listen to what coaches, say before I listen to a fan say about a player.

Since when did the low percentage deep ball become a measuring stick for a QB, I'm about to shatter your lame duck argument right now.


Name me one QB, that has never overthrew, or underthrew a deep pass.

I saw that same game and didn't see those claims you're talking about like they always say ignorance is bliss.:cool:
 

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I'm an Aikman fan, but we won those superbowls because our defense forced 9 turnovers against Buffalo in the first game and we forced three second half turnovers in the second half of the second Buffalo game and 2 second half turnovers in the Pittsburgh game. Aikman only played well in the first Buffalo game, but then, so did everybody else on the team.
So you're actually saying it was the defense that scored those 52 pts, because if you are then you really need to go back and watch that SB, again even Stevie Wonder, could've seen the Cowboys offense scored those points, not the defense.

The only TD, that could've came from the defense was the Leon Lett fumble, but I guess somebody forgot to tell him to secure the football.
 

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No, his deep ball was his weakness.

This is debatable because it's not even a high percentage pass anyways, so who gives a flying crap? Aikman was deadly accurate everywhere else.

kartr stop emphasizing your stupidity. Everyone here already knows about it.
 
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